You can keep on beating Dolan with the Blame Stick all you want, but I don't really get the point.

Your point is better made by saying he shouldn't have given Phil all that money and gone for someone who is more committed/experience. Who cares about Kerr at this point?

Kerr went to the better situation. We were always going to be a skeleton team looking towards the 2015 off season. Kerr didn't want to be apart of that. Fisher did... the end.

Knicks1969 wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:if kerr was here we'd be just as bad. kerr has arguably the best backcourt in nba history at his disposal.. let's be real here. do you post every thought that comes to your head?

I am simply saying if Kerr was our coach this franchise would have benefitted due to his past experience as a front office guy. I have no trust in Phil, Mills, and Fisher. For what it is worth, neither of the three can claim to have had previous success at their current position.

5 ring Kerr GM is better than 13 rings Lord?

I thought fish got Kerr money? Did Kerr not come because of money? or buddies with owner, Team president was the Warriors President now, Daughter in college near by, up the coast form San Diago where wife and High School aged son lives, and Suns a 55 win team last year!!!!!

Basically He asked the Lord for his blessings to which Phil gave it. "if you not going to be happy with your choice, then please take the Warrior Job", or to that effect.

If Kerr was struggling I doubt anyone be crying for him. Fact is, Look at whats left of Fish's starting 5 from opening nite. Gone.

Or was it M.Jackson? I can never tell those two apart.

TripleThreat wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:I am simply saying if Kerr was our coach this franchise would have benefitted due to his past experience as a front office guy.

IMHO, best overall option was if Dolan hired a young up and coming GM prospect, while ignoring Jackson totally, who had paid his dues in blood on a winning franchise, someone who could give the Knicks a potential 20-25 years on the job if he panned out, someone already versed in the trenches with analytics, scouting and dealing with agents and the salary cap. Then Dolan would do a press conference, apologize to Knicks fans for the franchises state of disarray and vow to hire good basketball people and let them do their job and then hide in the background and let the kid go to work. That young buck would likely have traded Melo in the offseason, tanked, gotten some better return on Chandler and not taken Calderon. The franchise would still be hurting, but at least it would have a specific direction and trajectory.

The 2nd best option was if Phil Jackson only agreed to a "figurehead role" like what Golden State has with Jerry West. The Logo is the figurehead and advisor, not on a gigantic salary, who would hire said young GM as stated above, and then enjoy the nice retirement package, show up to a few annual key events like the Draft and meeting free agents and leave the day to day decision making to said young GM, just like West leaves everything else to Bob Myers.

The option Dolan took was this

- Anything Melo related, Melo is the defacto GM. His entire "Is it a injury or is he just hurt" and branding saga is proof positive that Melo doesn't give a flying **** about this team and he can flaunt it and no one can do anything about it.
- Anything not Melo related, Phil Jackson is the decision maker, but he has no experience
- All the grunt work is done by Steve Mills, but everyone in the league knows he's just the guy carrying Phil's briefcase and washing Melo's car, because he has no real power in the organization. And to boot, you don't see other franchises literally tripping over themselves to hire Steve Mills away from the Knicks because he's a hot and up and coming GM.

How would Kerr help?

All things Melo would be controlled by Melo. Everything else would be controlled by Phil because his 60 million dollar splash salary says so. Kerr would do what? Carry the suitcases and coach? And coach what? A collection of low IQ overpaid selfish power forwards and roster churn that comprises the least talented 15 man unit in the entire league?

Kerr isn't needed to help the Knicks. What's needed is a FLAMETHROWER. The Knicks literally need to set their existing power structure on fire and start over.

Kerr wasn't smart to join the more talented franchise, he was smart to NOT JOIN THE OPENLY DYSFUNCTIONAL FRANCHISE.

Knicks1969 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:if kerr was here we'd be just as bad. kerr has arguably the best backcourt in nba history at his disposal.. let's be real here. do you post every thought that comes to your head?

I am simply saying if Kerr was our coach this franchise would have benefitted due to his past experience as a front office guy. I have no trust in Phil, Mills, and Fisher. For what it is worth, neither of the three can claim to have had previous success at their current position.

5 ring Kerr GM is better than 13 rings Lord?

I thought fish got Kerr money? Did Kerr not come because of money? or buddies with owner, Team president was the Warriors President now, Daughter in college near by, up the coast form San Diago where wife and High School aged son lives, and Suns a 55 win team last year!!!!!

Basically He asked the Lord for his blessings to which Phil gave it. "if you not going to be happy with your choice, then please take the Warrior Job", or to that effect.

If Kerr was struggling I doubt anyone be crying for him. Fact is, Look at whats left of Fish's starting 5 from opening nite. Gone.

Fish could have found ways to get a lot more out of the talents he inherited. I know we had a few injured players in the beginning, but From the jump, he should have picked five guys and stuck with those same five til at least 30 games. His penchant for yanking young players off the court after a mistake and not disciplining the vets for the same mistakes quickly marginalized him in the locker room. He should have made it a point to demand a hell of a lot out of Carmelo, all the other guys would have followed.

We're talking about motivating guys like jr smith and Shumpert to play differently...... they couldn't even play the same coming off a 54 win season. They got Woodson fired. So gtfoh.

TripleThreat wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:I am simply saying if Kerr was our coach this franchise would have benefitted due to his past experience as a front office guy.

The option Dolan took was this

- Anything Melo related, Melo is the defacto GM. His entire "Is it a injury or is he just hurt" and branding saga is proof positive that Melo doesn't give a flying **** about this team and he can flaunt it and no one can do anything about it.
- Anything not Melo related, Phil Jackson is the decision maker, but he has no experience
- All the grunt work is done by Steve Mills, but everyone in the league knows he's just the guy carrying Phil's briefcase and washing Melo's car, because he has no real power in the organization. And to boot, you don't see other franchises literally tripping over themselves to hire Steve Mills away from the Knicks because he's a hot and up and coming GM.

How would Kerr help?

All things Melo would be controlled by Melo. Everything else would be controlled by Phil because his 60 million dollar splash salary says so. Kerr would do what? Carry the suitcases and coach? And coach what? A collection of low IQ overpaid selfish power forwards and roster churn that comprises the least talented 15 man unit in the entire league?

Kerr isn't needed to help the Knicks. What's needed is a FLAMETHROWER. The Knicks literally need to set their existing power structure on fire and start over.

Kerr wasn't smart to join the more talented franchise, he was smart to NOT JOIN THE OPENLY DYSFUNCTIONAL FRANCHISE.

Exactly. You need to blow this up for real and that starts with management structure. NOTHING HAS REALLY CHANGED. That's why fans clapping that we've finally hit the re-set button with this collapse just don't get it. You can't say the team is dysfunctional. There really is no team left. But the organization remains a mess and will continue to struggle to put together a competitive team or attract quality free agents.

I said Phil is a whore neither flippantly or to be provocative. He did sell out his values. He claimed to have full autonomy, but he is a stone faced liar who told the press and the public what they wanted to hear in order to get Dolan's money. Only a knuckle dragging ostrich would claim Jackson didn't have to sign Melo to a dumbazz contract in order to get paid his $60M. And only dummies are still going to claim Melo's contract was a great idea.

No, Phil did not put together his own organization on his own terms. He licked Dolan's boots and put up a big chief performance for the media, but he acquiesced to Steve Mills being joined at his hip. Again, if anyone here claims Steve Mills was Jackson's choice, then you'll drink every form of kool-aid under the sun.

Jax totally compromised himself from the very beginning. And his decisions since then hardly indicate he has what it takes. Early on he tipped his hand that analytics is not his thing, ya know. Guy cannot compete with modern GMs and expect to learn the ropes at his age.

He took the money to cash in on his reputation. Only Dolan would have bought Jackson's glitz instead of a real professional's expertise at a fraction of the cost. Jackson became a whore when he sold himself out to the worst owner in the NBA.

Phil remains under Dolan's thumb because he put himself there.

Nalod wrote:

EnySpree wrote:Kerr turned the Knicks down anyway. Not cuz of money. So this is just a stupid debate.

Phil gave Fish the amount Kerr was asking for. Given he offered rookie Kerr that, he had set the limit.
Why does anyone care about non Cap Dolan money anyway?

Beats me. But to say we should have signed Kerr when he turned us down for a better situation is ridiculous.