Kid is smooth and was the best player on the court. Good perimeter d player and smooth stroke. I can't say how that translates to the NBA.
without a hop hop Youtube and Briggs gushing I have to admit I don't have the eye for talent others do.

States Trevor Lacey, a former 2 time MR Alabama high prospect redshirted from ALABAMA to NC State is a 6'3 SG with average wingspan but a NBA type game to get his own shot off.
Avg 16.5 pts on 45% shooting and 41% from the 3. IM not endorsing him for us to get a 2nd round pick, nor have any idea what is prosepcts are.

NC State has beaten duke this year and louisville while losing a few heartbreakers like the Notre Dame Game and Carolina by 2 at home. They are a bubble team currently 9th in the ACC.
They need to beat Carolina this week and have a strong showing in the ACC tournament to get in. This is the kind of team that could be a problem for higher ranked teams. They are young and early on had problems finishing out games.
Lacey gets hot, they are that kind of team. They have the talent........
Look at Freshman Caleb Martin. Big guys Ambu and Anya are freshman. Thats the weak spot: their yoot!

it's very weird that this guy is projected out of the lottery but he deserves to go top 10...

but jerian grant and delon wright have been tearing up college basketball in all facets of the game for years... and they will come in to the nba already with a high skill level.. they will probably be top 15 pgs immediately and maybe 10 in a couple of years...

fishmike wrote:

FistOfOakley wrote:
being a senior it and of itself shouldn't be a knock... duncan, nash, payton and a lot of others left school as seniors... it's usually a ding against a prospect if they all of a sudden get to a new level of play of grant has pretty much done this in every year he's been in college... and they don't have too much development time left when they do get drafted so it limits their upside...

but jerian grant and delon wright have been tearing up college basketball in all facets of the game for years... and they will come in to the nba already with a high skill level.. they will probably be top 15 pgs immediately and maybe 10 in a couple of years...

oh I agree! but unproven = limitless upside.

Yup. Sad state of affairs when people get dinged for honing their craft before going prime time.

Finestrg wrote:I like Grant a lot -- he's big, surprisingly athletic, gets others involved, scores it himself every which way, plays defense. Can't say enough. Out of everyone in this draft, he also seems the most NBA ready to me. He's got the type of game where you would think he's been playing pro ball for years...I wouldn't be surprised at all if he ended up being a better player than Mudiay and Russell. If we can't get Okafor or Towns, I might try to find a way to trade down and get Grant + another good player--a big like Kaminsky or Turner maybe. No idea if that's possible, just thinking out loud.

I mean you could just take the BPA (twice). OK4 wont be there but Muiday, Russell or Towns will be. Then hope like hell Grant, Kaminsky, etc (BPA)

I think I would just take OK4

fishmike wrote:

Finestrg wrote:I like Grant a lot -- he's big, surprisingly athletic, gets others involved, scores it himself every which way, plays defense. Can't say enough. Out of everyone in this draft, he also seems the most NBA ready to me. He's got the type of game where you would think he's been playing pro ball for years...I wouldn't be surprised at all if he ended up being a better player than Mudiay and Russell. If we can't get Okafor or Towns, I might try to find a way to trade down and get Grant + another good player--a big like Kaminsky or Turner maybe. No idea if that's possible, just thinking out loud.

what if the lottery goes:
1) Knicks
2) Minn
3) Lakers
4) Phili
Would you trade pick #1 to Phili for pick #4 and pick #15?

I mean you could just take the BPA (twice). OK4 wont be there but Muiday, Russell or Towns will be. Then hope like hell Grant, Kaminsky, etc (BPA)

I think I would just take OK4

Its a good convo but what I don't really know is just how good Oka4 is outside of fans and who is calling the game.
If he was white would we be comparing him to La8ner? Is he Elton Brand, or Boozer? All Dukies get compared to other Dukies only.

Me, Im just gonna chill and not worry about it. Lots more games to Lose!!!!!!

Nalod wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Finestrg wrote:I like Grant a lot -- he's big, surprisingly athletic, gets others involved, scores it himself every which way, plays defense. Can't say enough. Out of everyone in this draft, he also seems the most NBA ready to me. He's got the type of game where you would think he's been playing pro ball for years...I wouldn't be surprised at all if he ended up being a better player than Mudiay and Russell. If we can't get Okafor or Towns, I might try to find a way to trade down and get Grant + another good player--a big like Kaminsky or Turner maybe. No idea if that's possible, just thinking out loud.

what if the lottery goes:
1) Knicks
2) Minn
3) Lakers
4) Phili
Would you trade pick #1 to Phili for pick #4 and pick #15?

I mean you could just take the BPA (twice). OK4 wont be there but Muiday, Russell or Towns will be. Then hope like hell Grant, Kaminsky, etc (BPA)

I think I would just take OK4

Its a good convo but what I don't really know is just how good Oka4 is outside of fans and who is calling the game.
If he was white would we be comparing him to La8ner? Is he Elton Brand, or Boozer? All Dukies get compared to other Dukies only.

Me, Im just gonna chill and not worry about it. Lots more games to Lose!!!!!!

FistOfOakley wrote:the thing that hurts ok4's numbers are the blocks... blocks in and of itself are not that important but it's a predictive statistic in how much of your numbers carry over to the next level... it's an athleticism marker... steals work the same way....

he's at 1.9blks per 40 now which is in the low category for an elite center prospect...

all the guys you mentioned had over double the amount of blocks in college except for larry johnson who was more a pf and also avg'ed 2.7 steals... you look at any elite two way center that went to college you will see very high block numbers...

It makes me wonder of K hasn't told him to stay away from going after every shot. Otherwise i'd think he'd be all over him to be more aggressive on D. In their case it seems to me that the blocks wouldn't necessarily benefit them much and it would risk OK4 fouling out. I'm just guessing here, but it just seems odd how I never see K get on OK4 for his defense.

ok4 hits a high percentage of shots and scores a lot of points... that's good... hell it's great... but if you just look at fg% .. i mean marshall plumlee hits 75% also... that in and of itself isn't highly predictive...