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Knicks1969
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2/19/2015  3:15 PM
Is not a good combination. Phil should have brought in a guy with true front office experience to advise him on what is and is not a good move. With Mills, he really doesn't have a man who is respected around the league, nor someone who truly has a good network around the league to deal with.
Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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2/19/2015  3:18 PM
how would you ever know whether or not mill is respected around the league or if he has a network? you're talking out of your ass.
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2/19/2015  3:18 PM
Knicks1969 wrote:Is not a good combination. Phil should have brought in a guy with true front office experience to advise him on what is and is not a good move. With Mills, he really doesn't have a man who is respected around the league, nor someone who truly has a good network around the league to deal with.
I agree about Mills. I think he may have been part of the deal if Phil took the job. Mills is a Dolan guy not a Phil guy.
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2/19/2015  3:22 PM
nyk4ever wrote:how would you ever know whether or not mill is respected around the league or if he has a network? you're talking out of your ass.

Just look at the record since he has been with the Knicks. The dude is a business type; he has no clue about basketball. Look at what OKC has done the last five years; that is a front office that knows what the hell it is doing

Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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2/19/2015  3:34 PM
Until Mills is replaced by amore knowledgable FOG, don't count on phill to be successful in NY. Yes, I said it
Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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2/19/2015  3:40 PM
Knicks1969 wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:how would you ever know whether or not mill is respected around the league or if he has a network? you're talking out of your ass.

Just look at the record since he has been with the Knicks. The dude is a business type; he has no clue about basketball. Look at what OKC has done the last five years; that is a front office that knows what the hell it is doing

Is that the front office who traded away harden? one of the top couple of players in the game?

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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2/19/2015  3:43 PM
mreinman wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:how would you ever know whether or not mill is respected around the league or if he has a network? you're talking out of your ass.

Just look at the record since he has been with the Knicks. The dude is a business type; he has no clue about basketball. Look at what OKC has done the last five years; that is a front office that knows what the hell it is doing

Is that the front office who traded away harden? one of the top couple of players in the game?

Dude, they had no chance at keeping Harden. It was either keeping Harden or trade KD or Westbrook

Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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2/19/2015  3:47 PM
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mreinman wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:how would you ever know whether or not mill is respected around the league or if he has a network? you're talking out of your ass.

Just look at the record since he has been with the Knicks. The dude is a business type; he has no clue about basketball. Look at what OKC has done the last five years; that is a front office that knows what the hell it is doing

Is that the front office who traded away harden? one of the top couple of players in the game?

Dude, they had no chance at keeping Harden. It was either keeping Harden or trade KD or Westbrook

why not?

This will go down as one of the greatest trades in Houston history.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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2/19/2015  3:50 PM
Knicks1969 wrote:Is not a good combination. Phil should have brought in a guy with true front office experience to advise him on what is and is not a good move. With Mills, he really doesn't have a man who is respected around the league, nor someone who truly has a good network around the league to deal with.

Dolan bought in a basketball man right?

Mills was enroute to be League union leader. Respect.
That old guy with all the rings? Isn't he a basketball guy?
Must be me.

Grumpy ole Knicks1969 upset no big trade deadline soup for Knicks.
I read Phil forgot to adjust his watch for the deadline and had gone in for a nap. since his flow is slow it also took him 15 min to take a piss.

Miami had a good deal for Dragic. Good trade for them. We are a bit thin in the cupboard.

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2/19/2015  3:52 PM
If we'd traded first for Dragic you would have blasted him, and because he didn't you blast him. Pray tell, what should we have done this trade deadline?
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2/19/2015  3:53 PM
Nalod wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:Is not a good combination. Phil should have brought in a guy with true front office experience to advise him on what is and is not a good move. With Mills, he really doesn't have a man who is respected around the league, nor someone who truly has a good network around the league to deal with.

Dolan bought in a basketball man right?

Mills was enroute to be League union leader. Respect.
That old guy with all the rings? Isn't he a basketball guy?
Must be me.

Grumpy ole Knicks1969 upset no big trade deadline soup for Knicks.
I read Phil forgot to adjust his watch for the deadline and had gone in for a nap. since his flow is slow it also took him 15 min to take a piss.

Miami had a good deal for Dragic. Good trade for them. We are a bit thin in the cupboard.

Dude, I am worried about our future; we simply can't afford to have cooks in the OR of a hospital. We need experts. Yes Phil is a basketball mind, but one who has never spent time In A front office. As for Mills, he too has never been a front office guy.

Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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2/19/2015  4:06 PM
Knicks1969 wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:how would you ever know whether or not mill is respected around the league or if he has a network? you're talking out of your ass.

Just look at the record since he has been with the Knicks. The dude is a business type; he has no clue about basketball. Look at what OKC has done the last five years; that is a front office that knows what the hell it is doing

OKL City made a huge mistake getting rid of James Harden.

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2/19/2015  4:29 PM
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Knicks1969 wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:how would you ever know whether or not mill is respected around the league or if he has a network? you're talking out of your ass.

Just look at the record since he has been with the Knicks. The dude is a business type; he has no clue about basketball. Look at what OKC has done the last five years; that is a front office that knows what the hell it is doing

OKL City made a huge mistake getting rid of James Harden.

no sh1t

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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2/19/2015  4:30 PM
Knicks1969 wrote:
Nalod wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:Is not a good combination. Phil should have brought in a guy with true front office experience to advise him on what is and is not a good move. With Mills, he really doesn't have a man who is respected around the league, nor someone who truly has a good network around the league to deal with.

Dolan bought in a basketball man right?

Mills was enroute to be League union leader. Respect.
That old guy with all the rings? Isn't he a basketball guy?
Must be me.

Grumpy ole Knicks1969 upset no big trade deadline soup for Knicks.
I read Phil forgot to adjust his watch for the deadline and had gone in for a nap. since his flow is slow it also took him 15 min to take a piss.

Miami had a good deal for Dragic. Good trade for them. We are a bit thin in the cupboard.

Dude, I am worried about our future; we simply can't afford to have cooks in the OR of a hospital. We need experts. Yes Phil is a basketball mind, but one who has never spent time In A front office. As for Mills, he too has never been a front office guy.

Philly is in about year two or three in its quest to horde draft picks and big's. They ate McGee's salary to get another 1st round pick.
We have just began our rebuild. Not sure Hinkie plan has ever been achieved but he has a reputation as a pure analytics guy and the hype of JVG diet coke workaholic.

While Phil has been the lead with boots on the ground with 13 rings in his vault. Two as a player, 11 as a coach.
Its not like he don't know how its done.

I can't fathom a scenario where our depleted of asset team could really have done much this year.
BTW, all teams makee mistakes and OKC at the time could not pay Durant, Westbrook and Harden max money. They also had a season where they won 59 games WITHOUT HIM.

Just goes to show how hard it is to win it all. OKC came close. Hindsight give you a perfect view but you have to put yourself in that moment with the decision in front of you with the data you have at that time.

Hinkie has won 35 out of 135 games as gm of the 76ers. IF your talking about that being cool because they rebuilding then look in the mirror. So are we. What miricle man depleted of assets could have done better?
SAS, OKC an PHia all been following a formula of draft and trading to enrich the rosters. SAS has a culture. OKC Culture is not so ingrained. Westbrook is a madman crack head athlete and Durant is grumpy. I admire Philly for what they are doing but this tank job is now in its third year. Jury is out.

Maybe im all wrong Grumpy Jerry Krause is just envious cuz Phil got big money from the knicks where Krause got lucky Portland took Sam Bowie and Rockets took Hakeem. He made a great pick (I assume he made the pick for the sonics) but lets not overdo it, it was the 5th pick overall!! He had traded the 8th pick plus to move up. Yeah, it was that Juwan Oldham thing.
Kudos to Krause, and he was the dude that hired Phil!!! Phil got all the press and Jordan got the millions while fatboy stewed and was destined to show who was the man!!!
So he eventually cleaned house and built his new team on the backs of Eddy and Tyson. Oops!!!!

So the architect who created perhaps the best team ever made mistakes. It happens.
Presti, West, Buford, even auerbach all made mistakes.

We are Doomed!

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2/19/2015  6:05 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/19/2015  6:07 PM
Knicks1969 wrote:Until Mills is replaced by amore knowledgable FOG, don't count on phill to be successful in NY. Yes, I said it

This is true. We need someone with GM experience who understands the inner workings of today's nba to counter what Phil brings. Specifically someone who is in tune with the metrics and knows how to make sucres up trades and signings

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2/19/2015  6:08 PM
mreinman wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:how would you ever know whether or not mill is respected around the league or if he has a network? you're talking out of your ass.

Just look at the record since he has been with the Knicks. The dude is a business type; he has no clue about basketball. Look at what OKC has done the last five years; that is a front office that knows what the hell it is doing

OKL City made a huge mistake getting rid of James Harden.

no sh1t

Durant & Harden could win a championship

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2/19/2015  6:31 PM
Worth starting another thread, but to date Phil gets an F for the work he has done here.

You don't move big men coming off a disappointing season in a contract year. There is just no upside and teams making a push for a title would have given up picks in order to get a starting center and who knows what else. if the cavs got two number 1's for moz tyson surely could have got us an asset.

JR and Shump have contributed in cleveland so what was the rush to move both before the deadline? we took on an additional 3.5MM in salary in Caledron and that number jumps to 7 if felton declines his option.

Fisher at 5MM a year for 5 years? how do you make him one of the highest paid coaches in the NBA, classic knicks move.

Seems like Phil just went with the flow and then panicked and moved pieces too soon.

Reminds me of Walsh when the knicks started off 5-3 and then moved jamal and zach for 10 cents on the dollar.

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2/19/2015  6:37 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/19/2015  6:38 PM
Agreed MS. Good objective post. Not gonna call it a disaster in year one but so far it has been an epic disaster. Starting with maxing out an injured Melo for 5yrs.

Phil is learning on the fly and that's not what we needed. I wish he hired someone with experience. Clearly Mills is just as clueless

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2/19/2015  6:52 PM
Typical of NY fans. You wanted a rebuild for years and now that we actually have a Prez who can pretty much do a rebuild and land a top pick all we get is complaints about Mills and Fish Yadda, Yadda, Yadda! No real discussion of the fact that we just flushed all of the garbage we had and can bring in Better players. We have more picks now since Phil came on board and more young prospects as well. Sure we could always go with the hypothetical "should've gotten more". The reality is that none of us knows that for sure. We're not dealing from a position of strength but that will change as we move along and improve the team and assets. It's a process and it's actually moving pretty well given how short of a time Phil has been here.

All of this is just the precursor to the real show. The Draft and Free Agency is when the real substance of Phil's work will be judged. Phil has added 6 picks since he's been here.

2014 draft - Added Picks 34, 51 and 57
2017 Draft - Added one 2nd rd. pick
2019 Draft - Added two 2nd rd. picks.

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2/19/2015  7:07 PM
Phil clearly needs help. Problem is help is not readily available since he is the only triangle guy in the league.
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