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Allanfan20
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2/10/2015  4:50 AM
Even if we get the top pick, we can still be almost as bad next season. We have the cap space but we are in a bad hole with a bad owner.
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2/10/2015  5:08 AM
I don't think FA's are going to pass up the $$$. How often do they, especially when you add N.Y. and Melo into the equation (yeah, and even with dolan here.)

Will suck if we suck next year with no pick, but I think if we score 2 top FA's (big IF), we will be on our way. For sure we will bring some talent in, and
if Atlanta and to a lesser extent San Antonio, have taught us anything, it is that team ball works. And we are running the triangle, so...
How our draft pick plays will be key imo, as we are empty. Wouldn't mind us drafting or signing a leader/alpha male as Melo is not that (no offense meant).

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2/10/2015  5:23 AM
I'm afraid of big spiders. Like the one on lord of the rings. I would seriously need Sam to save me.
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2/10/2015  5:54 AM
Allanfan20 wrote:Even if we get the top pick, we can still be almost as bad next season. We have the cap space but we are in a bad hole with a bad owner.

I'd agree, and thought as much at the beginning of the season- and thought as much with our moves leading up to 2010- that we'd be stuck in a 10 year rut of mediocrity.

I think Phil may in fact realize this - per his comments about building. I don't think any of the big name FA will jump ship this off season - they seldom do.

We need to be smart - and we need to keep our flexibility. I'd rather start the season closer to the floor than the ceiling as far as the salary cap goes.

If we had one potential franchise talent in the draft and one really good, impact FA, and fill in with super hungry role players/support players that are smart, get the system and buy in- then I think that is successful and we may be on our way to being competitive, and perhaps with some flexibility from the FO & Fisher on our 'System', we could be a .400-.500% win team, and perhaps be in contention for the final slot in the east, barring any changes on format.

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2/10/2015  6:24 AM
Seriously though..... nothing scares me or worries me with the current state of the Knicks. We've seen way worse. The last time the Knicks had a winning situation, i couldn't even get into a bar to see them yet.

The Knicks could stink next year but they have been terrible 13 out of the last 15 years give or take....we all have cap space and we own this year's draft. We're not going to sign jerome James or trade for glen rice or trade rod Strickland for mo cheeks.i can't predict the future but I don't expect anymore mishaps under Phil. Right now we gave a clean slate so it's all good

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2/10/2015  7:21 AM
If Okafor or Russell are picked, then NY all of a sudden has 2 really good players. You add to that at least one more with the cap space that makes 3. Fill out the roster with solid vets and you have the makings of a contender.

The reality is it will all come down to Melo. Can he make it happen?

From the current roster, I would keep Melo, Gallo, Thomas, Early and maybe JSmith. THJR should be used to get rid of Calderon, so more money is available to get role players.

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2/10/2015  7:30 AM
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:If Okafor or Russell are picked, then NY all of a sudden has 2 really good players. You add to that at least one more with the cap space that makes 3. Fill out the roster with solid vets and you have the makings of a contender.

The reality is it will all come down to Melo. Can he make it happen?

From the current roster, I would keep Melo, Gallo, Thomas, Early and maybe JSmith. THJR should be used to get rid of Calderon, so more money is available to get role players.

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2/10/2015  8:53 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/10/2015  8:54 AM
EnySpree wrote:
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:If Okafor or Russell are picked, then NY all of a sudden has 2 really good players. You add to that at least one more with the cap space that makes 3. Fill out the roster with solid vets and you have the makings of a contender.

The reality is it will all come down to Melo. Can he make it happen?

From the current roster, I would keep Melo, Gallo, Thomas, Early and maybe JSmith. THJR should be used to get rid of Calderon, so more money is available to get role players.

Co sign

Sounds like a good plan....but....if you get rid of Calderon, you reduced your chances of landing Gasol, his buddy.

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2/10/2015  9:25 AM
+1, Allanfan. Missing all our 2nd round picks for the rest of the decade hurts too. For as long as we're bad, they're almost late 1st rounders.
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2/10/2015  9:35 AM
Free agents will bleed us for top dollar, then sign with contenders.
Triangle is viewed as an outdated system and desirable players will look elsewhere.
No guarantee top 5 pick will hit; may take time (like Whiteside).
Bottom line:
Knicks will sukk for the the next three years.
Get used to the idea.
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2/10/2015  9:49 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/10/2015  9:49 AM
KNICKSBIGCATS wrote:Free agents will bleed us for top dollar, then sign with contenders.
Triangle is viewed as an outdated system and desirable players will look elsewhere.
No guarantee top 5 pick will hit; may take time (like Whiteside).
Bottom line:
Knicks will sukk for the the next three years.
Get used to the idea.

I think it's more likely that the team overpays for reasonably good players (like with Melo) and we're stuck in mediocrity. If we lose out on the top FAs and the team has the patience to sign no one big rather than overpay like in 2010, I'll be impressed.
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2/10/2015  9:59 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/10/2015  10:01 AM
I'm not worried at all really cause the Knicks are on the right track right now. There won't be a big 3 in New York, at least not 3 superstars but that's fine cause we just need some good players that buy into the system. We might not get everything we're looking for next year so the job might have to be finished in 2016 but that's alright because we can use next year to get it started. If we can come out of the draft with either OK4,Towns,Russell or Mudiay and bring in a couple of guys out of D.Green,P.Milsap,W.Mathews,G.Dragic,G.Monroe,R.Lopez,O.Asik and I think you get my point cause there's really a lot of good tier 2 and 3 type players this year but if we get a couple good names and use 2015 for them to get acclimated to the triangle then I think 2016 can be a big year for us with another big addition if it's needed. I wasn't expecting to go on so much but my point is that I'm not worried at all and I'm confident that Phil and Fish will get us to where Knicks fans want the team to be.
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2/10/2015  10:19 AM
newyorker4ever wrote:I'm not worried at all really cause the Knicks are on the right track right now. There won't be a big 3 in New York, at least not 3 superstars but that's fine cause we just need some good players that buy into the system. We might not get everything we're looking for next year so the job might have to be finished in 2016 but that's alright because we can use next year to get it started. If we can come out of the draft with either OK4,Towns,Russell or Mudiay and bring in a couple of guys out of D.Green,P.Milsap,W.Mathews,G.Dragic,G.Monroe,R.Lopez,O.Asik and I think you get my point cause there's really a lot of good tier 2 and 3 type players this year but if we get a couple good names and use 2015 for them to get acclimated to the triangle then I think 2016 can be a big year for us with another big addition if it's needed. I wasn't expecting to go on so much but my point is that I'm not worried at all and I'm confident that Phil and Fish will get us to where Knicks fans want the team to be.

You mean you're hoping the Knicks use the cap space and draft pick to get on the right track. You really can't say the team is on the right track *right now*
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2/10/2015  11:00 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:I'm not worried at all really cause the Knicks are on the right track right now. There won't be a big 3 in New York, at least not 3 superstars but that's fine cause we just need some good players that buy into the system. We might not get everything we're looking for next year so the job might have to be finished in 2016 but that's alright because we can use next year to get it started. If we can come out of the draft with either OK4,Towns,Russell or Mudiay and bring in a couple of guys out of D.Green,P.Milsap,W.Mathews,G.Dragic,G.Monroe,R.Lopez,O.Asik and I think you get my point cause there's really a lot of good tier 2 and 3 type players this year but if we get a couple good names and use 2015 for them to get acclimated to the triangle then I think 2016 can be a big year for us with another big addition if it's needed. I wasn't expecting to go on so much but my point is that I'm not worried at all and I'm confident that Phil and Fish will get us to where Knicks fans want the team to be.

You mean you're hoping the Knicks use the cap space and draft pick to get on the right track. You really can't say the team is on the right track *right now*

YES YOU CAN!!! The team is on the right track now.

1. We cleared out some of the guys who didn't work or want to be here and even more house cleaning will happen.
2. There is a more united structure in place with a clear vision from Phil on down.
3. There is a system in place in both the Pro and D League team where player development is taking place, which is much more comprehensive than before.
4. We actually have some young players who are coming along and showing they can contribute.
5. There are some vet role players who have shown they can actually execute the system.
6. With this system in place and a season to set the foundation Phil will have a much better idea of what he really needs to shop for in terms of talent to improve the teams effectiveness.
7. Now with a top draft pick and an infusion of talent in Free Agency, this team should be much better next year. There are so many Free Agents this year that Phil should be able to bring in some quality players. Of course there are no guarantees, but the likelihood of some improvement is pretty high.

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2/10/2015  12:15 PM
Right now....

right now we are one of the worst teams in the league. You can't argue that. But it's dumb to keep bringing that up. Our season has been over for 2 months now. It's all about the draft and free agency. We are guaranteed to have a top 4 pick right now and we are guaranteed to have alot of cap space. So yes we are on the right track.

Knick fans and knick haters need to see the Knicks win 4 straight titles to say they did something. That's just how it is.

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2/10/2015  1:06 PM
...how much worse this season would have been like with all the malcontents Phil got rid of.

Now, just get rid of Stat and Bargs by the trade deadline and the house is clean.

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2/10/2015  1:20 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/10/2015  3:16 PM
Bad things can happen and good things can happen, it's all just guess work at this stage.
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2/10/2015  2:40 PM
EnySpree wrote:Right now....

right now we are one of the worst teams in the league. You can't argue that. But it's dumb to keep bringing that up. Our season has been over for 2 months now. It's all about the draft and free agency. We are guaranteed to have a top 4 pick right now and we are guaranteed to have alot of cap space. So yes we are on the right track.

Knick fans and knick haters need to see the Knicks win 4 straight titles to say they did something. That's just how it is.

Hey, count me as a fan! I'd be giddy with a trip to the 2nd round of the playoffs. Anything more than that would have me floating on clouds!

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2/10/2015  3:15 PM
Dont' be scared, just look the opportunity.

Sure, we might draft a yoot and he blows his ACL and needs a year. WE don't have our pick, and it
will be ugly. But you know, we can't undo that trade so the pick is gone. It will sting.

Team will improve. How much, I don't know.

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2/10/2015  4:57 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:Even if we get the top pick, we can still be almost as bad next season. We have the cap space but we are in a bad hole with a bad owner.

This scares you now? He's been doing this year after year....

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