look atthe scrubs were playing...sweet lou, jason smith, bargnani, amare, larkin, jose....newsflash these are not good players...lol

Finestrg wrote:

callmened wrote:no we dont. lol. thats why its hard for me to get emotionally invested in this roster. tank and burn this b**ch to the ground.

I couldn't agree more. Even our young guys (Galloway, THJ in particular) aren't showing anything. Burn it to the ground is right. The kid Early might be the only keeper...With hopefully a top 4 pick (no lower) and $30mm in cap room (hopefully more), I want an entire new team around Melo next year. Case closed.

Galloway has a chance to be something--were going to have to be patient with Galloway. He's showing some things in terms of defense and rebounding/playing hard but it looks like his offense will be a work in progress. Maybe for this team Russell is the best fit--hes a PG who can make guys who are not as good better and can control the game from 26 feet/ spread the floor.

BRIGGS wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

callmened wrote:no we dont. lol. thats why its hard for me to get emotionally invested in this roster. tank and burn this b**ch to the ground.

I couldn't agree more. Even our young guys (Galloway, THJ in particular) aren't showing anything. Burn it to the ground is right. The kid Early might be the only keeper...With hopefully a top 4 pick (no lower) and $30mm in cap room (hopefully more), I want an entire new team around Melo next year. Case closed.

Galloway has a chance to be something--were going to have to be patient with Galloway. He's showing some things in terms of defense and rebounding/playing hard but it looks like his offense will be a work in progress. Maybe for this team Russell is the best fit--hes a PG who can make guys who are not as good better and can control the game from 26 feet/ spread the floor.

Fleshed out my answer some more above -- he's gotta knock down shots. I thought that was his best skill. He's got some intangibles, true, but if he can't knock down open looks, I'd look elsewhere honestly (I'm already not crazy about that fact that he isn't even a real PG). I'd love to see him have one game where he goes off for 25+ and really has an impact. I don't know if he's capable of that. Melo just compared him to Jeremy Lin recently -- they're nothing alike... Timmy hasn't had an efficient impact game in like forever--he's basically useless out there. 2-10 every game with no D. Play the kid Early -- I don't need to see him put up 25 in the DL. Give him some latitude at the NBA level now, esp. if Melo's gonna be out for a while. I wouldn't mind Early getting 15-20 shots up a night from here on in. I'd look to expedite his development as much as I could. Let's get that right at least.

BRIGGS wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

callmened wrote:no we dont. lol. thats why its hard for me to get emotionally invested in this roster. tank and burn this b**ch to the ground.

I couldn't agree more. Even our young guys (Galloway, THJ in particular) aren't showing anything. Burn it to the ground is right. The kid Early might be the only keeper...With hopefully a top 4 pick (no lower) and $30mm in cap room (hopefully more), I want an entire new team around Melo next year. Case closed.

Galloway has a chance to be something--were going to have to be patient with Galloway. He's showing some things in terms of defense and rebounding/playing hard but it looks like his offense will be a work in progress. Maybe for this team Russell is the best fit--hes a PG who can make guys who are not as good better and can control the game from 26 feet/ spread the floor.

Fleshed out my answer some more above -- he's gotta knock down shots. I thought that was his best skill. He's got some intangibles, true, but if he can't knock down open looks, I'd look elsewhere honestly (I'm already not crazy about that fact that he isn't even a real PG). I'd love to see him have one game where he goes off for 25+ and really has an impact. I don't know if he's capable of that. Melo just compared him to Jeremy Lin recently -- they're nothing alike... Timmy hasn't had an efficient impact game in like forever--he's basically useless out there. 2-10 every game with no D. Play the kid Early -- I don't need to see him put up 25 in the DL. Give him some latitude at the NBA level now, esp. if Melo's gonna be out for a while.

No Early we must play Lou Admundson the vampire slayer--yeah seriously why doesnt Early and Acy get burn over this dude--exactly what does this dude do for us--what does Amare or Bargs do for us right now? 1 person explain it to me?

Lol. Yeah, right out of an Anne Rice novel...Funny thing is, I actually respect him. Nobody plays harder but the thing with Lou Amundson -- he's older now, no upside, and about the most limited player this league has to offer. He serves no purpose for us whatsoever. We can shut him down right now, offer him a minimum contract to return next year and get the exact same thing--low skill hustle. Nothing to prove, very little to offer us anyway. Hopefully we can construct a team eventually that's good enough to take advantage of what he brings to the table--then we can talk about bringing him back. But as of right now though, we don't have anything close to that type of team. I don't need to see anymore of him...Early's a completely different animal--he needs to be developed for the greater good. Let's get Early up to speed ASAP -- let's find out if he's a fixture for our 2nd unit next year. Team-wise, it's basically the only thing I wanna see us accomplish on the court for the rest of this season. Everything else to get this team back up and running needs to happen this summer.

Is it so surprising that we don't have a bunch of dead locks to be impact players on this roster? Who was thinking that we should? We have some prospects that would be great if they actually develop into productive role players and it's still a bit early for some them. In truth most teams developmental players aren't much better unless your talking about the rare few who rise above the rest. Things aren't that bad on this point. It's not like some of our young players haven't shown some improvement. This process is just getting started with this regime. Let's get thru this season and have a good draft and summer of player development.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:Steven A smith said it best this morning, this organization has been poorly runner since Dolan assumed control from his father

its true. We really need management similar to san antonio

Too bad you can't fire the owner

BRIGGS wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

callmened wrote:no we dont. lol. thats why its hard for me to get emotionally invested in this roster. tank and burn this b**ch to the ground.

I couldn't agree more. Even our young guys (Galloway, THJ in particular) aren't showing anything. Burn it to the ground is right. The kid Early might be the only keeper...With hopefully a top 4 pick (no lower) and $30mm in cap room (hopefully more), I want an entire new team around Melo next year. Case closed.

Galloway has a chance to be something--were going to have to be patient with Galloway. He's showing some things in terms of defense and rebounding/playing hard but it looks like his offense will be a work in progress. Maybe for this team Russell is the best fit--hes a PG who can make guys who are not as good better and can control the game from 26 feet/ spread the floor.

Whether it is mental, mechanical, or simply a pair of tired legs is unknown by me. I do know that in 19 games he averaged 37MPG in Westchester, and in 14 games with the Knicks, he is at 30MPG. Might be that he has hit the proverbial rookie wall.

Does anyone care to know how his minutes stack up with other rookies? In fact, except for #1 pick Wiggins, Galloway averages more minutes than ANY drafted rookie in the NBA, and he is surely being asked to do more for his team than most other rookies from his class. You average out DL and NBA minutes, and he has played 33 games at about 33MPG, I think.

Folks have to step back and look at what he is doing with the Knicks with some kind of perspective.

As for this thread...

Along with Anthony, I expect Smith, Thomas, Amundson, Galloway, Calderon (unless traded, of course) and probably Hardaway, will be back. Early should be on the team next year too and hopefully they will give him some big minutes in Westchester to improve himself the rest of this year.

In the beginning of the year Wear and Aldrich seemed like they would be back next year, but they have both tailed off. Acy will probably be gone, and Larkin, who I hoped to see play the role of a spark plug on offense was probably gone for next year when they failed to pick up his option.

Lots of room for new players. No need to start from scratch. Jackson and Fisher also need some kind of continuity if they really plan to run the Triangle next year, whether or not you believe this offense to be outdated.

WaltLongmire wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

callmened wrote:no we dont. lol. thats why its hard for me to get emotionally invested in this roster. tank and burn this b**ch to the ground.

I couldn't agree more. Even our young guys (Galloway, THJ in particular) aren't showing anything. Burn it to the ground is right. The kid Early might be the only keeper...With hopefully a top 4 pick (no lower) and $30mm in cap room (hopefully more), I want an entire new team around Melo next year. Case closed.

Galloway has a chance to be something--were going to have to be patient with Galloway. He's showing some things in terms of defense and rebounding/playing hard but it looks like his offense will be a work in progress. Maybe for this team Russell is the best fit--hes a PG who can make guys who are not as good better and can control the game from 26 feet/ spread the floor.

If you told me back in training camp that Galloway's issue would be the shooting touch on his jumper, I would have called you foolish, but he clearly has lost confidence in his shot, and is not shooting in a way consistent with his college success.

Whether it is mental, mechanical, or simply a pair of tired legs is unknown by me. I do know that in 19 games he averaged 37MPG in Westchester, and in 14 games with the Knicks, he is at 30MPG. Might be that he has hit the proverbial rookie wall.

Does anyone care to know how his minutes stack up with other rookies? In fact, except for #1 pick Wiggins, Galloway averages more minutes than ANY drafted rookie in the NBA, and he is surely being asked to do more for his team than most other rookies from his class. You average out DL and NBA minutes, and he has played 33 games at about 33MPG, I think.

Folks have to step back and look at what he is doing with the Knicks with some kind of perspective.

As for this thread...

Along with Anthony, I expect Smith, Thomas, Amundson, Galloway, Calderon (unless traded, of course) and probably Hardaway, will be back. Early should be on the team next year too and hopefully they will give him some big minutes in Westchester to improve himself the rest of this year.

In the beginning of the year Wear and Aldrich seemed like they would be back next year, but they have both tailed off. Acy will probably be gone, and Larkin, who I hoped to see play the role of a spark plug on offense was probably gone for next year when they failed to pick up his option.

Lots of room for new players. No need to start from scratch. Jackson and Fisher also need some kind of continuity if they really plan to run the Triangle next year, whether or not you believe this offense to be outdated.

-------->Along with Anthony, I expect Smith, Thomas, Amundson, Galloway, Calderon (unless traded, of course) and probably Hardaway, will be back.

Well we can look forward to having a team full of other teams castoffs who are mostly slow non athletic inconsistent older players. Most of these players wouldnt make the starting 10 on a good team. Each has such deficiency--for example we know that calderon cannot drive Admundson cannot shoot Hardaway cannot dribble Smith cannot defend is a porous rebounder and has no low box game. All of these players for the most part are one trick pony types and when you put them all together--they become that much easier to defend. When playing against world class players--they will look bad. I have a gut feeling the Knicks somehow like Mudiay who also cant shoot so we will be stuck for the next 5 years losing 50 games each one. Case closed.

smackeddog wrote:All we're looking for is 5 or 6 bench players on minimum contracts- what are you expecting? Gallo, Thomas, etc are fine in that capacity.