Knicks1969 wrote:Dude....why in the world would we want to trade for Lin. Calderon and Lin are the same type of players

Ill trade him for Doogie Hauser is we get his contract off next years cap.

Knicks1969 wrote:Dude....why in the world would we want to trade for Lin. Calderon and Lin are the same type of players

Lin's contract???

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:Dude....why in the world would we want to trade for Lin. Calderon and Lin are the same type of players

Lin's contract???

The Lakers had to get a first round pick to take Lin's deal. I would think they would want compensation to take on Calderon's deal.

I am sure that they would.

CrushAlot wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:seems like a good fit a vet to teach the kids for LA. Lin a new york fan favorite who is struggling to find time in LA, back in nyc for the rest of the year. Lin would also come cheap for next season if we wanted him back.

Calderon is the on the books for 7.4 million in 2015 and 7.7 million in 2016.

He's probably an interesting reserve, but not at that price point. He can't play defense, and as he ages even further, the rate of potential games lost to injury increase.

If the Lakers want a useful mentoring situation, they can just find an ex NBA point guard who wants a coaching position and make him some kind of player development low level crony.

To practically move Calderon, the Knicks will have to give up an asset to do it.

Taking back Lin in a deal would be an open admission that Melo and Dolan were wrong, very wrong, about pushing him out the door in the first place.

With Lin, Chandler played well with him and so did Novak. If Novak is playing well, no need to try to dump his contract, thus no Bargani and no loss of a 1st and two 2nds. Lin on the roster means no Felton. Getting Felton cost the Knicks a couple of 2nd rounders and Papanikolaou. With Lin, no need to take back a bad contract in Calderon to just get Fatty McGunRunner Felton out the door.

Even if the Knicks traded for Lin, why would he resign with the Knicks? For the first time in his career, he will have a true choice on his destination in the offseason. Why go to the team where Melo goes crying to Leon Rose to go crying to Stephen A Smith to do the "Can You Just Give Me 15 Minutes" tirade.

The Calderon problem and the failure point in the Chandler trade and the Bargnani problem all root from the "tax" on Dolan and Melo for driving Lin off the roster.

I'm sure a smug selfish chucker like Melo wonders why the crowd is cheering MVP for Lin.

I don't know Melo, why don't you show up in shape and play some mother ****ing defense and maybe you would.

Pretty sure that Lin pushed himself out the door when he fired his agent, sat out of the USA Select Team because of his upcoming free agency, and then signed the second, poison pill contract with the rockets that cost the rockets a first rounder to get out of. With the luxury of hindsight I wonder if Lin wishes he stayed a Knick. Backing up an undrafted free agent, a journeyman, and a rookie second round pick can't be what he envisioned when he went for the money.

If we can get him at the right price this time, would you take him back here? Provided we couldn't do better, I think I would. So interested to see what they eventually come up with in terms of upgrading at PG.

Finestrg wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:seems like a good fit a vet to teach the kids for LA. Lin a new york fan favorite who is struggling to find time in LA, back in nyc for the rest of the year. Lin would also come cheap for next season if we wanted him back.

Calderon is the on the books for 7.4 million in 2015 and 7.7 million in 2016.

He's probably an interesting reserve, but not at that price point. He can't play defense, and as he ages even further, the rate of potential games lost to injury increase.

If the Lakers want a useful mentoring situation, they can just find an ex NBA point guard who wants a coaching position and make him some kind of player development low level crony.

To practically move Calderon, the Knicks will have to give up an asset to do it.

Taking back Lin in a deal would be an open admission that Melo and Dolan were wrong, very wrong, about pushing him out the door in the first place.

With Lin, Chandler played well with him and so did Novak. If Novak is playing well, no need to try to dump his contract, thus no Bargani and no loss of a 1st and two 2nds. Lin on the roster means no Felton. Getting Felton cost the Knicks a couple of 2nd rounders and Papanikolaou. With Lin, no need to take back a bad contract in Calderon to just get Fatty McGunRunner Felton out the door.

Even if the Knicks traded for Lin, why would he resign with the Knicks? For the first time in his career, he will have a true choice on his destination in the offseason. Why go to the team where Melo goes crying to Leon Rose to go crying to Stephen A Smith to do the "Can You Just Give Me 15 Minutes" tirade.

The Calderon problem and the failure point in the Chandler trade and the Bargnani problem all root from the "tax" on Dolan and Melo for driving Lin off the roster.

I'm sure a smug selfish chucker like Melo wonders why the crowd is cheering MVP for Lin.

I don't know Melo, why don't you show up in shape and play some mother ****ing defense and maybe you would.

Pretty sure that Lin pushed himself out the door when he fired his agent, sat out of the USA Select Team because of his upcoming free agency, and then signed the second, poison pill contract with the rockets that cost the rockets a first rounder to get out of. With the luxury of hindsight I wonder if Lin wishes he stayed a Knick. Backing up an undrafted free agent, a journeyman, and a rookie second round pick can't be what he envisioned when he went for the money.

If we can get him at the right price this time, would you take him back here? Provided we couldn't do better, I think I would. So interested to see what they eventually come up with in terms of upgrading at PG.

jrodmc wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:seems like a good fit a vet to teach the kids for LA. Lin a new york fan favorite who is struggling to find time in LA, back in nyc for the rest of the year. Lin would also come cheap for next season if we wanted him back.

Calderon is the on the books for 7.4 million in 2015 and 7.7 million in 2016.

He's probably an interesting reserve, but not at that price point. He can't play defense, and as he ages even further, the rate of potential games lost to injury increase.

If the Lakers want a useful mentoring situation, they can just find an ex NBA point guard who wants a coaching position and make him some kind of player development low level crony.

To practically move Calderon, the Knicks will have to give up an asset to do it.

Taking back Lin in a deal would be an open admission that Melo and Dolan were wrong, very wrong, about pushing him out the door in the first place.

With Lin, Chandler played well with him and so did Novak. If Novak is playing well, no need to try to dump his contract, thus no Bargani and no loss of a 1st and two 2nds. Lin on the roster means no Felton. Getting Felton cost the Knicks a couple of 2nd rounders and Papanikolaou. With Lin, no need to take back a bad contract in Calderon to just get Fatty McGunRunner Felton out the door.

Even if the Knicks traded for Lin, why would he resign with the Knicks? For the first time in his career, he will have a true choice on his destination in the offseason. Why go to the team where Melo goes crying to Leon Rose to go crying to Stephen A Smith to do the "Can You Just Give Me 15 Minutes" tirade.

The Calderon problem and the failure point in the Chandler trade and the Bargnani problem all root from the "tax" on Dolan and Melo for driving Lin off the roster.

I'm sure a smug selfish chucker like Melo wonders why the crowd is cheering MVP for Lin.

I don't know Melo, why don't you show up in shape and play some mother ****ing defense and maybe you would.

God let it go...

There must be some pychological study out there that proves the direct tie from LinLove to MeloHate; or vice versa.

MVP cheers for Lin. He even posts that like it's still happening today, not two (three?) years ago.

Two effin weeks that haven't been reconstituted in any way, shape or form since.
I can see the new book on the shelves this summer: Jeremy Lin: Finally, A True Choice.

TripleThreat wrote:

jrodmc wrote:There must be some pychological study out there that proves the direct tie from LinLove to MeloHate; or vice versa.

Since Lin left, things have only gotten worse.

TripleThreat wrote:
Linsanity was the last time the Knicks played true team basketball and had clear rock solid leadership with a future in the locker room.

The Knicks would have simply been better off keeping Lin, Chandler, Jeffries and Novak and trading off Melo. The entire trajectory of the franchise would be different.

TripleThreat wrote:The entire Calderon problem is an offshoot of the decision to push Lin off the roster. Of course some of you are going to push the CAA induced media narrative that Lin was a selfish contract hungry mercenary. Never mind he signed the only deal in front of him, which the Knicks told him to pursue ( if they valued him and wanted him, should have signed him without all the pomp and circumstance and risk) That Knicks front office execs were in hiding to avoid getting handed the offer sheet to start the time clock on it was pathetic.

The Knicks found something, albeit via almost dumb luck, that worked for them. It only lasted a few weeks because Melo came back, Melo dogged it until Pringles got clipped, because he couldn't handle the Lin spotlight.

TripleThreat wrote:Melo has gotten virtually everything he wanted from the Knicks. And where has it gotten this franchise?

Do you sit up at night wondering if Melo is counting all that money?

TripleThreat wrote:Every positive aspect of the Linsanity situation has been shipped off. And have the Knicks gotten better or worse?

TripleThreat wrote:It's not MeloHate, nor is it LinLove, it's Knicks Loyalty. I'm loyal to the Knicks, not Melo. Melo behaves in a manner like he's above the team, above doing the dirty work needed to win, above doing the things required of a "franchise player"

TripleThreat wrote:I don't "hate" Melo, I'm just not going to sit here and excuse his behavior, and try to rationalize it like some of you. He's a coach killer, selfish no defense low BB IQ chucker who simply says stupid thing after stupid thing in the press while showing off his latest hat. Right now he's risking further injury, if he's truly hurt at all, just to make it to the All Star game simply for his branding. Great for Melo's branding, but is it great for the Knicks investment in the next four years of him?

You don't "hate" Melo. You just "hate" his hats. And all his lies about being hurt. And all the risks he takes while playing not really hurt. And all the stupid things he says. And his brand. And the money the Knicks are paying him, don't forget all that money.

You don't "love" Lin. You just are fixated on a two-week stretch that got you all hot and gooey and that passed quicker than farts through a goose. It lasted TWO FUHHCKIN WEEKS. Your hero never appeared in one playoff game, after single-handedly restoring order to the Knicks basketball universe, in your humble opinion.

TripleThreat wrote:
Maybe there should be a psychological study done to explain why some folks are ok setting the bar so goddamn low in regards to their loyalty to the Knicks.
Do you really need a 70 year old geriatric first time GM making 60 million plus a first time coach making 25 million to basically tell you that you need to play team basketball to win? The Knicks could have had that if they just left things alone with Lin, accepted they got a gift from the basketball gods, to fill a position of need, at no cost to acquire, who gave them leadership and international appeal and galvanized team basketball and made players around him better.

Do you whine at the hot dog stand for hours on end? Wake up, this is NYC buddy, everything costs more here.

TripleThreat wrote:The Knicks could have saved a hell of a lot of front office money, saved a hell of alot of team assets and have been playing the game the right way since Linsanity started. And if the team won or lost, they would have played team ball, playing the right way, playing tough in a way that Knicks fans could be proud of every night.

Are you watching Langston and Lance and Amundson? Are you watching your low BBIQ chucker hitting threes and making washed up Stat look good? Or are you too busy counting Melo's money? Win or lose, you don't "hate" Melo. Got it.

TripleThreat wrote:

jrodmc wrote:There must be some pychological study out there that proves the direct tie from LinLove to MeloHate; or vice versa.

Since Lin left, things have only gotten worse.

Linsanity was the last time the Knicks played true team basketball and had clear rock solid leadership with a future in the locker room.

The Knicks would have simply been better off keeping Lin, Chandler, Jeffries and Novak and trading off Melo. The entire trajectory of the franchise would be different.

The entire Calderon problem is an offshoot of the decision to push Lin off the roster. Of course some of you are going to push the CAA induced media narrative that Lin was a selfish contract hungry mercenary. Never mind he signed the only deal in front of him, which the Knicks told him to pursue ( if they valued him and wanted him, should have signed him without all the pomp and circumstance and risk) That Knicks front office execs were in hiding to avoid getting handed the offer sheet to start the time clock on it was pathetic.

The Knicks found something, albeit via almost dumb luck, that worked for them. It only lasted a few weeks because Melo came back, Melo dogged it until Pringles got clipped, because he couldn't handle the Lin spotlight.

Melo has gotten virtually everything he wanted from the Knicks. And where has it gotten this franchise?

Every positive aspect of the Linsanity situation has been shipped off. And have the Knicks gotten better or worse?

It's not MeloHate, nor is it LinLove, it's Knicks Loyalty. I'm loyal to the Knicks, not Melo. Melo behaves in a manner like he's above the team, above doing the dirty work needed to win, above doing the things required of a "franchise player"

I don't "hate" Melo, I'm just not going to sit here and excuse his behavior, and try to rationalize it like some of you. He's a coach killer, selfish no defense low BB IQ chucker who simply says stupid thing after stupid thing in the press while showing off his latest hat. Right now he's risking further injury, if he's truly hurt at all, just to make it to the All Star game simply for his branding. Great for Melo's branding, but is it great for the Knicks investment in the next four years of him?

Maybe there should be a psychological study done to explain why some folks are ok setting the bar so goddamn low in regards to their loyalty to the Knicks.

Do you really need a 70 year old geriatric first time GM making 60 million plus a first time coach making 25 million to basically tell you that you need to play team basketball to win? The Knicks could have had that if they just left things alone with Lin, accepted they got a gift from the basketball gods, to fill a position of need, at no cost to acquire, who gave them leadership and international appeal and galvanized team basketball and made players around him better.

The Knicks could have saved a hell of a lot of front office money, saved a hell of alot of team assets and have been playing the game the right way since Linsanity started. And if the team won or lost, they would have played team ball, playing the right way, playing tough in a way that Knicks fans could be proud of every night.