NardDogNation wrote:I really like him but I don't think the Jazz will let him go. That 3-headed big man monster will likely be a cornerstone for them moving forward. Besides, I don't think he has the vision/passing to fit in the triangle.

I don't think Utah will pay him. He's not a great fit with Favors (who is locked up long-term) and Gobert is the future at the center position. They won't match a 12+ million a year offer. He's a nice option if we can't get Gasol, Millsap, or Monroe. Kanter and Dragic would be a great offseason and can probably be had for the combined cap space we have if we are lucky.

Knicks1969 wrote:I don't know how much you guys might know about this kid, but he is a young big body we might want to look to pursue in the event Gasol and others might decide to reject our offer. He has an offensive game and can also defend.

I think a guy like Kosta Koufas could be a good add as well -- while he wouldn't be a high scoring / big name acquisition he seems to be a solid pro with size/mobility and a high B-Ball IQ.

I could see Phil targeting him as a FA -- particularly if we use the bulk of our $$$ on say a PG/SG or PF.

My hope and wish is for the Knicks to draft Towns/Stein and Russell (big dream), and obtain Biyambo in free agency. We can chose to keep Smith for cheap, but we have to pair him up with a strong defender/rebounder. Use the additional money to buy two-way SGs.

Please keep away from Dragic

mreinman wrote:

FistOfOakley wrote:this guy is terrible on defense... beyond salvageable...

he is ... and even a worse passer ... one of the blackest holes in the league!

Nothing has changed for me -- I continue to see this guy as our 2nd best frontcourt upgrade target behind Jahlil Okafor. I see a guy that Utah has no idea how to use and maximize. Whenever he gets enough shots at the basket (say right around 15+) he usually has an impact/standout game. And whenever he gets fewer shots than that, say just a handful 6-7, he usually doesn't have nearly the same impact. Tells me the kid should be getting the ball more, no? Can't understand why he isn't featured more in that offense. To me, he's Utah's best player--better than Hayward, Favors, Burks, Burke, Exum, you name it. I can't understand why these other guys have free rein on that team yet Kanter can't get a consistent amount of shots up at the basket every game. I'm sure some of you might come up with some advanced stats that may say different but I usually strip it down to the basics and try not to get too complicated when forecasting a young player -- I rely on projection as in 'what would a guy do with X amount more mins' and my own two eyes to tell me about a player. I don't think you need much more...Right now Kanter, in only 27.1 mins., goes for 14.1 ppg on only 12 shots per game (49.5% FG, slightly over 50% career), over 80% at the line (only 2.4 attempts per game) along with 7.6 rebs. Nic Vucevic by comparison: 34.1 mins. (that's a full 7 mins more a game over Kanter), 19.6 ppg on 16 shots a game (4 more than Kanter), 53.8% FGs, 78% at the line (on 3.1 attempts), 11.3 rebs. Neither guy is really a bonefide shot-blocker. I contend that if Kanter got Vucevic's mins., he'd be producing right around 20 & 10 a night. He clearly has a very advanced skill-set offensively from where I'm sitting (better than Vucevic imo)---I see the potential for a better version of Rony Seikaly on the offensive end (a very good player himself going back several years ago, though Seikaly could never shoot with range like Kanter's showing--Kanter's even putting up and hitting 3s now). He should be getting the same 15-16 shots a game Vucevic is getting if not more. Maybe Utah's trying to keep his PT down in order to keep eventual cost down, I have no idea, but this guy's too good an offensive player to misuse like they've be doing. Gotta take the shackles off this kid and let him go to work every game. Not as good a pure rebounder as Vucevic (or even Seikaly) but that's OK. Few are...He's still very effective--he's almost at 8 a game right now. A little bump up in playing time, he should be right there at 10 a game. He gets all that--the increase in mins and shot attempts--he's a 20/10 player -- a guy that should complement Melo well and a guy that should do very well in the weaker Eastern Conference. If we don't get lucky enough to draft this kid Okafor, I'd be prepared to make a big run at this kid Kanter if I were Phil. If we get a chance to get this kid Okafor in the draft, we gotta take it but something that's getting overlooked here I think -- how long will it take Okafor to get to a 20/10 level? Right away? Probably not. 2-4 years down the road? More likely. I think Kanter could be there next year. Kanter's only 22 years old too (Vucevic is 24) -- another positive to consider. I refuse to look at this guy with the glass half empty -- can't do this, can't do that etc. My focus is on what he 's doing right now and what else he could achieve given more PT/responsibility.

Finestrg wrote:

mreinman wrote:

FistOfOakley wrote:this guy is terrible on defense... beyond salvageable...

he is ... and even a worse passer ... one of the blackest holes in the league!

Nothing has changed for me -- I continue to see this guy as our 2nd best frontcourt upgrade target behind Jahlil Okafor. I see a guy that Utah has no idea how to use and maximize. Whenever he gets enough shots at the basket (say right around 15+) he usually has an impact/standout game. And whenever he gets fewer shots than that, say just a handful 6-7, he usually doesn't have nearly the same impact. Tells me the kid should be getting the ball more, no? Can't understand why he isn't featured more in that offense. To me, he's Utah's best player--better than Hayward, Favors, Burks, Burke, Exum, you name it. I can't understand why these other guys have free rein on that team yet Kanter can't get a consistent amount of shots up at the basket every game. I'm sure some of you might come up with some advanced stats that may say different but I usually strip it down to the basics and try not to get too complicated when forecasting a young player -- I rely on projection as in 'what would a guy do with X amount more mins' and my own two eyes to tell me about a player. I don't think you need much more...Right now Kanter, in only 27.1 mins., goes for 14.1 ppg on only 12 shots per game (49.5% FG, slightly over 50% career), over 80% at the line (only 2.4 attempts per game) along with 7.6 rebs. Nic Vucevic by comparison: 34.1 mins. (that's a full 7 mins more a game over Kanter), 19.6 ppg on 16 shots a game (4 more than Kanter), 53.8% FGs, 78% at the line (on 3.1 attempts), 11.3 rebs. Neither guy is really a bonefide shot-blocker. I contend that if Kanter got Vucevic's mins., he'd be producing right around 20 & 10 a night. He clearly has a very advanced skill-set offensively from where I'm sitting (better than Vucevic imo)---I see the potential for a better version of Rony Seikaly on the offensive end (a very good player himself going back several years ago, though Seikaly could never shoot with range like Kanter's showing--Kanter's even putting up and hitting 3s now). He should be getting the same 15-16 shots a game Vucevic is getting if not more. Maybe Utah's trying to keep his PT down in order to keep eventual cost down, I have no idea, but this guy's too good an offensive player to misuse like they've be doing. Gotta take the shackles off this kid and let him go to work every game. Not as good a pure rebounder as Vucevic (or even Seikaly) but that's OK. Few are...He's still very effective--he's almost at 8 a game right now. A little bump up in playing time, he should be right there at 10 a game. He gets all that--the increase in mins and shot attempts--he's a 20/10 player -- a guy that should complement Melo well and a guy that should do very well in the weaker Eastern Conference. If we don't get lucky enough to draft this kid Okafor, I'd be prepared to make a big run at this kid Kanter if I were Phil. If we get a chance to get this kid Okafor in the draft, we gotta take it but something that's getting overlooked here I think -- how long will it take Okafor to get to a 20/10 level? Right away? Probably not. 2-4 years down the road? More likely. I think Kanter could be there next year. Kanter's only 22 years old too (Vucevic is 24) -- another positive to consider. I refuse to look at this guy with the glass half empty -- can't do this, can't do that etc. My focus is on what he 's doing right now and what else he could achieve given more PT/responsibility.

Kanter's problem is not his shooting. He is not as efficient on offense as Vucevic and he will still need to prove that he can hit the 3 (if he is gonna take them).

His issue is his defense which is pretty awful at this point and his passing which is terrible. You can be a young guy and still be a willing passer. If we got Towns in here, you don't think he would be passing the ball?

Kanter freezes out his teammates all the time and seems to miss open men knowingly pretty often.

He won't be that expensive so maybe Phil takes a shot at him, who knows. As I have said, I have no idea what he will do and I don't think that any of us know. Of course we can name and predict every FA and one of them will stick.

A lot of people still judge with just their eyes yet pretty much all basketball scouts and execs dont and heavily rely on advanced metrics as well.

BigDaddyG wrote:

mreinman wrote:Enes Kanter? At what price? > 6 million?

I am not impressed with his defense, He is averaging 0.7 assists per game (twice as awful as amare!). His USG -> assist rate is FREAKIN 8 : 1.

I don't get why fans are still not willing to look at the simple advanced stats.

His WS48 is .086. For his career, he is at .076! THAT IS AWFUL!!!!

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kanteen01.html

Utah ain't paying Enes, maybe some other idiot team will.

Yeah, he's still a project. I'm not thrilled with prospect of paying $10M a year. Right now, he's better suited coming off the bench. But he's still young and might be worth a smaller investment.

He may be ...

I can only predict a players future by looking at his past ... I don't like thinking that we would sign a guy and hope that the coach can train them (unless they are really young and raw).

nixluva wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:We need to get tougher upfront. What we have right now is too slow, too soft,not strong at rebounding the ball, and terrible on defense.

My hope and wish is for the Knicks to draft Towns/Stein and Russell (big dream), and obtain Biyambo in free agency. We can chose to keep Smith for cheap, but we have to pair him up with a strong defender/rebounder. Use the additional money to buy two-way SGs.

Please keep away from Dragic

You need to take into consideration the president and his triangle. Biyambo, Stein, and DeAndre Jordan types won't be the types of players we acquire.

Phil also had Rodman so it's possible that Phil would want another high energy guy. It likely explains the Thanasis pick, Acy and Amundson. Phil wasn't stuck with those players he actually chose to bring them in.

Exactly. Biyambo does so much on the court, he is the type of player Phil would love to have. Let go of Acy and replace him with Biyambo.