Caseloads wrote:If this guy wins a title with the Cavs this year and we gave him away for nothing...

Don't worry we rather max out Jimmy Butler who went 6/16 against JR, two way player U see..

Dagger wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Ah, typical board talk- blast a player while they're here, insist the have no value and be traded, then canonised them when they play well for their new team and make out we were dumb to trade them. Next up: Calderón!

Yup, and the same offenders will do it over and over and over again. Once a player joins the Knicks they magically become the most toxic thing ever and we'd be lucky to pair them with a first rounder just to get rid of said player. JR was far from a stud and I'm not even against the trade where we gave him up for nothing, but he's not the worst player in the league like all the drama queens would harp on about.

It's all about the system a player plays in, some posters feel like a player should fit into any system, Which is so far from reality it isn't even funny.

You put steph curry in this triangle non sense, and they'll be begging to trade him the hell out out of here. You look at a guy like Lance stephenson, he's game is not suited for the sht they run in Charlotte, it is what it is.

OK4 will be a disaster in the triangle, he needs shooters all around him, he's more suited for a MDA/GSW type system.

knicks1248 wrote:

Dagger wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Ah, typical board talk- blast a player while they're here, insist the have no value and be traded, then canonised them when they play well for their new team and make out we were dumb to trade them. Next up: Calderón!

Yup, and the same offenders will do it over and over and over again. Once a player joins the Knicks they magically become the most toxic thing ever and we'd be lucky to pair them with a first rounder just to get rid of said player. JR was far from a stud and I'm not even against the trade where we gave him up for nothing, but he's not the worst player in the league like all the drama queens would harp on about.

It's all about the system a player plays in, some posters feel like a player should fit into any system, Which is so far from reality it isn't even funny.

You put steph curry in this triangle non sense, and they'll be begging to trade him the hell out out of here. You look at a guy like Lance stephenson, he's game is not suited for the sht they run in Charlotte, it is what it is.

OK4 will be a disaster in the triangle, he needs shooters all around him, he's more suited for a MDA/GSW type system.

Curry and OK4 could play in any system
Any system could use a shooter of his abilities to spread the floor and OK4 is comparable to Anthony Davis's 1st year, when he fills out his body and gets 1-2 seasons in the NBA we can then have a better understanding of how he would do in the NBA for the next decade +

Lets not forget players like Drummond/Cousin's/Westbrook/ even Durant took a couple seasons to develop
Even Vucevic who was a big favorite of Briggs and convinced all in the UK board here, who was selected 1 pick b4 us, along with Mason Plumlee
Vuevevic would have been the #1 BIG I would have targetted with a MAX contract had he not signed his extension to stay in Orlando

Curry just cannot play with another PG/SG that has the size of a PG like Monta Ellis *who has been a VERY GOOD NBA player and has changed his perception of him in Dallas*
2 small guards just will not work together

Does OK4 play better at PF or Center would be the question when his body fills out, along with can he develop a good jumper like Davis has
So do we surround him with a Asik type Center or with a Draymond Green type F, or a shotblocking PF/C, or a Post up player like Monroe
How much of an impact will OK4 have on the defensive end as a 1v1 defender and a team defender, can he be the offer the impact Davis has?
We are still seeing if Davis is better at PF or Center right now and I think OK4 is a bit smaller in terms of frame/body but similar upside/potential
Vucevic would have been the safe pick to pair with him

I think DeAndre Jordan is by far the talent/defensive abiltiies that resembles what Bill Russel brought was when he won 10 rings
Despite Jordan's weakness's he is a MAX player just on his defensive abiltiies alone, with his type of athleticism/mobility for a Center, maybe 1 of a kind just like Lebron/Durant is at the Center position

Off the dribble, there probably will never be a better shooter than Curry and Lilliard
He not only has great range but he has a very quick release with a great handle with great athleticism and ability to play the PG and SG
It is impossible to defend with his deceptive handle and ability to finish/attack the rim much like Lilliard
I think Klay Thompson is probably the best shooter in today's league

Curry/Lilliard/Klay/Durant/Korver/Danny Green/Dirk are by far the best active shooters in the NBA today

Under rated shooters
Randy Foye, Terry *consistent throughout his entire career*,

along with Reggie Miller/Ray Allen/Peja/Mitch Richmond/Steve Smith/Allan Houston

Brent Price/Steve Kerr/Dell Curry *the least talented of them*

I am not sure where I would place Kobe either, as he is also up there but he also takes many poor shots with the ability to make them in bunches

Foye is player I would target who has a team option on him for this summer along with many players that could be avaiable for 3m
I would not suprised if we grab 1 player of this caliber/contract with cap space and then 2 players with the MLE
targets this summer

KJ McDaniels/Wesley Johnson

Matt Barnes/Dunlevey *not sure with his age but he is quite under rated though I do not know how many more years he has left at a high level complimentary player*
But steals at vet min to 2m, despite their age and injury concerns, for 2 year deals

Ed Davis/Lavoy Allen/Freeland/Tyler Zellar

Antic/Aron Baynes

5m+
Gereld Green
DeMarre Carroll
Brandon Wright
Kris Middleton

There are many players also in the 1m-2m range including

Galloway, Thanasis *so we can lock him in to a 3 year deal*, Holiday, Elisjah Millsap *to lure his brother*
Even some players could be avaiable in trades with our trade exemptions like Meyers Lenard,

Will Barton/Victor Clavor

Not sure what type of contract but some gambles include that would range in terms of money/contract/guranteed or not

Blatche and Bynum

Rashard Lewis/Stepehn Jackson
Ray Allen/Jermaine Oneil

OK4 *former #2 pick*
Greg Odon/Thabeet
Tmac *who has been working to get in shape*

Anthony Randolph/Jeremy TYler

RonRon wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Dagger wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Ah, typical board talk- blast a player while they're here, insist the have no value and be traded, then canonised them when they play well for their new team and make out we were dumb to trade them. Next up: Calderón!

Yup, and the same offenders will do it over and over and over again. Once a player joins the Knicks they magically become the most toxic thing ever and we'd be lucky to pair them with a first rounder just to get rid of said player. JR was far from a stud and I'm not even against the trade where we gave him up for nothing, but he's not the worst player in the league like all the drama queens would harp on about.

It's all about the system a player plays in, some posters feel like a player should fit into any system, Which is so far from reality it isn't even funny.

You put steph curry in this triangle non sense, and they'll be begging to trade him the hell out out of here. You look at a guy like Lance stephenson, he's game is not suited for the sht they run in Charlotte, it is what it is.

OK4 will be a disaster in the triangle, he needs shooters all around him, he's more suited for a MDA/GSW type system.

Curry and OK4 could play in any system
Any system could use a shooter of his abilities to spread the floor and OK4 is comparable to Anthony Davis's 1st year, when he fills out his body and gets 1-2 seasons in the NBA we can then have a better understanding of how he would do in the NBA for the next decade +

Lets not forget players like Drummond/Cousin's/Westbrook/ even Durant took a couple seasons to develop
Even Vucevic who was a big favorite of Briggs and convinced all in the UK board here, who was selected 1 pick b4 us, along with Mason Plumlee
Vuevevic would have been the #1 BIG I would have targetted with a MAX contract had he not signed his extension to stay in Orlando

Curry just cannot play with another PG/SG that has the size of a PG like Monta Ellis *who has been a VERY GOOD NBA player and has changed his perception of him in Dallas*
2 small guards just will not work together

Does OK4 play better at PF or Center would be the question when his body fills out, along with can he develop a good jumper like Davis has
So do we surround him with a Asik type Center or with a Draymond Green type F, or a shotblocking PF/C, or a Post up player like Monroe
How much of an impact will OK4 have on the defensive end as a 1v1 defender and a team defender, can he be the offer the impact Davis has?
We are still seeing if Davis is better at PF or Center right now and I think OK4 is a bit smaller in terms of frame/body but similar upside/potential
Vucevic would have been the safe pick to pair with him

I think DeAndre Jordan is by far the talent/defensive abiltiies that resembles what Bill Russel brought was when he won 10 rings
Despite Jordan's weakness's he is a MAX player just on his defensive abiltiies alone, with his type of athleticism/mobility for a Center, maybe 1 of a kind just like Lebron/Durant is at the Center position

you lost me at DeAndre = Bill Russell. 6 seasons in, and there's no comparison, in any way.

smackeddog wrote:Ah, typical board talk- blast a player while they're here, insist the have no value and be traded, then canonised them when they play well for their new team and make out we were dumb to trade them. Next up: Calderón!

Yeah man is ridiculous.

Jr Smith gave up on this team. He was a clown while here. He was dogging it all year. To hell with him.

When you have picks/young players/cap space, you do not have to make a move that is not needed by you and you could move on to the next team to make a move when it is worth it
Preserving cap space/having multiple picks, having young players with potential, and having locked players in good conracts are all assets *MosGoV, a reason why they payed 2 1st rounders on him, he is cost eficient*

knicks1248 wrote:

Dagger wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Ah, typical board talk- blast a player while they're here, insist the have no value and be traded, then canonised them when they play well for their new team and make out we were dumb to trade them. Next up: Calderón!

Yup, and the same offenders will do it over and over and over again. Once a player joins the Knicks they magically become the most toxic thing ever and we'd be lucky to pair them with a first rounder just to get rid of said player. JR was far from a stud and I'm not even against the trade where we gave him up for nothing, but he's not the worst player in the league like all the drama queens would harp on about.

It's all about the system a player plays in, some posters feel like a player should fit into any system, Which is so far from reality it isn't even funny.

You put steph curry in this triangle non sense, and they'll be begging to trade him the hell out out of here. You look at a guy like Lance stephenson, he's game is not suited for the sht they run in Charlotte, it is what it is.

OK4 will be a disaster in the triangle, he needs shooters all around him, he's more suited for a MDA/GSW type system.

Nonsense, one of the big parts of the triangle is having a big man who can post up and have great passing ability which Okafor can certainly do

mreinman wrote:

TPercy wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Dagger wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Ah, typical board talk- blast a player while they're here, insist the have no value and be traded, then canonised them when they play well for their new team and make out we were dumb to trade them. Next up: Calderón!

Yup, and the same offenders will do it over and over and over again. Once a player joins the Knicks they magically become the most toxic thing ever and we'd be lucky to pair them with a first rounder just to get rid of said player. JR was far from a stud and I'm not even against the trade where we gave him up for nothing, but he's not the worst player in the league like all the drama queens would harp on about.

It's all about the system a player plays in, some posters feel like a player should fit into any system, Which is so far from reality it isn't even funny.

You put steph curry in this triangle non sense, and they'll be begging to trade him the hell out out of here. You look at a guy like Lance stephenson, he's game is not suited for the sht they run in Charlotte, it is what it is.

OK4 will be a disaster in the triangle, he needs shooters all around him, he's more suited for a MDA/GSW type system.

Nonsense, one of the big parts of the triangle is having a big man who can post up and have great passing ability which Okafor can certainly do

can he knock down the 15 footer with consistency out of the high post?