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Knicks1969
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1/17/2015  4:20 PM
This 7 footer is also special. A combo of Russell and stein can be a force in the NBA for years to come. Can Phil please get us an early pick in the first round?
Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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1/17/2015  4:29 PM
He is long, smart, and agile. I don't know how good he is in the low block, but he can definitely improve our over all defense.
Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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1/17/2015  4:30 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/17/2015  4:54 PM
Is it me but calipari's system is similar to the TRIANGLE? The only difference is that this Knicks team does a horrendous executing on offense. We should look to draft or acquire the entire front court players from that system. Given that Boston and Philly amassed a plethora of draft picks, I won't be surprised if they draft about four players from Kentucky.
Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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1/17/2015  6:40 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/17/2015  6:42 PM
Here is a great article about Stein:


Willie Cauley-Stein is an athletic power forward, sort of a poor-man's version of Anthony Davis. His lateral mobility is unmatched at the college level, and he runs the floor effortlessly. He's such a graceful, talented athlete that he looks 6‘6" rather than 7‘0", and his talent is so exceptional that he was an All-State first team wide receiver in Kansas, and preferred football to basketball.

Think a young Dwyane Wade in 7‘0" frame, or a smaller Shaquille O'Neil in his youth. His game is way different from either of those, but if you just set them to running and jumping, the similarity in natural athleticism would be striking.

As an offensive basketball player, WCS has shortcomings in his face-up game and his post footwork. However, he has very good hands and "feel," and is learning how to make jump shots. There is nothing at all "broken" about his form; he just lacks experience shooting from the perimeter and is learning a skill set he never had to develop. This year has seen a dramatic improvement in his jump shot technique and success. He still shoots only a few, but now he makes them.

WCS is an elite defender at the college level and will be at the NBA level as well. Davis was elite because of his length and timing, but WCS is elite because of his unnatural quickness for his size. He will take significant development offensively, but defensively he can guard any college position, 1-5. In the NBA, he probably can't guard the freakishly athletic point guards, but there aren't that many of those. He's so good defensively that he can and will take any given player away from an opponent. He's held most non-guard leading scorers to at or near season lows this year. John Calipari prefers not to have him cover guards, obviously because it takes him too far from the basket.

What's been his high point so far this year?

WCS's high point this season was probably against Texas, where he had 21 points, 12 rebounds, 3 blocks and 5 steals against a huge Longhorn front line. He dominated play on both ends of the floor, and handled Jonathan Holmes and Myles Turner with ease. WCS has a tendency to disappear at times, but his offensive game has only improved this year, and his defense has been peerless from day one.

Does he remind you of anyone you've seen play?

WCS...he's unique, in a way. Anthony Davis and he share a lot of similar traits as far as their size and ability to guard out on the floor, but Davis is more skilled and WCS more athletic. I'm sorry, but I don't follow the NBA closely and just don't have a good enough command of the players there to make an erudite comparison. He is a rare sort of player, as much for his mental approach as for his athletic ability.

What can you tell us about his personality? His background? How do you think he'd handle life as a high draft pick and coming to New York?

WCS, as we refer to him, is an unusual character. He's a kind of free spirit who is not in love with the idea of being an NBA player, although he understands that's his destiny in the near-term. His staying at Kentucky last year despite his coveted status as a draft pick revealed some of his quirky personality. His gentle, thoughtful nature as a man belies his athletic skill, which is so smooth and natural that it isn't immediately obvious.

No team can go wrong by drafting KAT or WCS in any position. Both are likely to have long and productive NBA careers, and either or both could eventually reach the All-Star level. They are very different players, but there isn't an NBA team I know of that couldn't use a skilled inside-out scorer, or a lock-down defender who can defend the perimeter as well as the post.

Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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1/17/2015  6:43 PM
If we miss out on Towns and Okafor I'm leaning towards Stanley Johnson.
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1/17/2015  7:18 PM
VCoug wrote:If we miss out on Towns and Okafor I'm leaning towards Stanley Johnson.

Why are you all so enamored with offense?

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1/17/2015  7:38 PM
There really isn't any comparison between the two. Yes, at 21 WCS seems to have matured and looks good against College players. Davis at 21(5 months older) Looks like the best all around player in the entire NBA right now.
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1/17/2015  8:07 PM
Knicks1969 wrote:
VCoug wrote:If we miss out on Towns and Okafor I'm leaning towards Stanley Johnson.

Why are you all so enamored with offense?

First of all, Towns is the guy I want over everyone else due to his defensive abilities. Particularly when compared to Okafor's.

The problem with WCS is that he's already 21. He's much more physically mature than the other top prospects in NCAA who are all 18 and 19 years old and he's played in the same system for 3 years now. He should be dominating not just doing well. I think he'll have a career in the NBA but I don't know that he'll ever be better than Chris Andersen and we need someone much better than that with our lottery pick.

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1/17/2015  8:23 PM
VCoug wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:
VCoug wrote:If we miss out on Towns and Okafor I'm leaning towards Stanley Johnson.

Why are you all so enamored with offense?

First of all, Towns is the guy I want over everyone else due to his defensive abilities. Particularly when compared to Okafor's.

The problem with WCS is that he's already 21. He's much more physically mature than the other top prospects in NCAA who are all 18 and 19 years old and he's played in the same system for 3 years now. He should be dominating not just doing well. I think he'll have a career in the NBA but I don't know that he'll ever be better than Chris Andersen and we need someone much better than that with our lottery pick.

I think his size will put him over Chris Anderson. I see him like the Mason Plumlee, Alex Len, and Jonas Valanciunas of the world. I guess his ceiling would be DeAndre or Tyson.

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1/17/2015  8:45 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/18/2015  10:10 AM
He is way better then Deandre. Offensively, I don't believe we truly know how good he can be, because the system he is in does not require for him to be dominant. As far as I am concerned, we would be ok with him in the front court.
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1/17/2015  11:41 PM
If Towns and Okafor are off the board I was Dangelo Russell...
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1/18/2015  11:23 AM
Do your research... there was a time WCS didn't even want to play hoops
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1/18/2015  2:12 PM
fishmike wrote:Do your research... there was a time WCS didn't even want to play hoops

Are you saying that he doesn't love the game enough to succeed?

Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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1/18/2015  2:58 PM
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fishmike wrote:Do your research... there was a time WCS didn't even want to play hoops

Are you saying that he doesn't love the game enough to succeed?

you tell me... how do drafted players fair in the NBA when they are not 100% dedicated to playing? Larry Sanders, Eddy Curry, Eddie Griffin, I mean we could go all day and list the guys who were drafted on physical talent but didn't have the desire to stick around. When you read his quotes about his basketball career there would be a lot of red flags here for me.
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1/18/2015  3:10 PM
fishmike wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:
fishmike wrote:Do your research... there was a time WCS didn't even want to play hoops

Are you saying that he doesn't love the game enough to succeed?

you tell me... how do drafted players fair in the NBA when they are not 100% dedicated to playing? Larry Sanders, Eddy Curry, Eddie Griffin, I mean we could go all day and list the guys who were drafted on physical talent but didn't have the desire to stick around. When you read his quotes about his basketball career there would be a lot of red flags here for me.

That is a RED flag if you ask me.

Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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1/18/2015  5:30 PM
fishmike wrote:Do your research... there was a time WCS didn't even want to play hoops

I don't think it was that he absolutely didn't want to play basketball but that he loved football more and wanted to play football as a WR more than he wanted to play hoops right?? That's the way i heard it unless i missed something.
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1/18/2015  5:52 PM
After Okafor, Towns or Russell I'd have no problem with WCS. He can be a defensive anchor which this team sorely needs. Really depends on the Ping pong balls.
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1/18/2015  6:06 PM
Kareem Abdul jabbar wasn't too enamored with basketball but he had a long career of course...
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1/18/2015  9:04 PM
nixluva wrote:After Okafor, Towns or Russell I'd have no problem with WCS. He can be a defensive anchor which this team sorely needs. Really depends on the Ping pong balls.
its a pretty good bet we will end up with okafor towns or mudiay
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1/19/2015  1:46 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/19/2015  1:47 AM
FistOfOakley wrote:Kareem Abdul jabbar wasn't too enamored with basketball but he had a long career of course...

I guess the way to look at it is that the kid is multi-talented; which is far different from what was reported about eddy curry. Eddy was simply lazy and only played the game to survive. WCS is a freak athlete which is very different.

Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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