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BRIGGS
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1/17/2015  11:41 AM
Here is the fcking kni cks problem. Instead of grabbing the d league MVP that the spurs obviously like so much that they are now willing to alter a full 15 man roster. We grab Lou admundson and wait it out. We need to add talent immediately aggressively. If Phil Jackson cannot be on top of things than give back the money and go live in Montana. This is enough. It will be nothing short of impossible waiting for players Phil thinks fit his mold. He should've explained the necessity to sign Louit certainly sends mixed messages while green is sitting there if good e tough for spurs good enough for knicks
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1/17/2015  12:02 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/17/2015  12:31 PM
BRIGGS wrote:Here is the fcking kni cks problem. Instead of grabbing the d league MVP that the spurs obviously like so much that they are now willing to alter a full 15 man roster. We grab Lou admundson and wait it out. We need to add talent immediately aggressively. If Phil Jackson cannot be on top of things than give back the money and go live in Montana. This is enough. It will be nothing short of impossible waiting for players Phil thinks fit his mold. He should've explained the necessity to sign Louit certainly sends mixed messages while green is sitting there if good e tough for spurs good enough for knicks

Agreed. Way too passive. You want a guy, pull out all the stops and go get him. Find a way. That's what Mark Cuban or Daryl Morey would do.

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1/17/2015  12:11 PM
Why aren't Morey and Cuban going after him?
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1/17/2015  12:12 PM
Why do people assume that every player in every league wants to play for the Knicks above all other teams? He had obviously built up a relationship with the Spurs, they'd been tracking him and he played for their affiliate.
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1/17/2015  12:19 PM
Vmart wrote:Why aren't Morey and Cuban going after him?

Morey had to cut Tariq Black to bring in Josh Smith. The Spurs are going to waive a player to get Green
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1/17/2015  12:25 PM
I've lost almost total faith in our front office this season. Why are we wasting our time with retreads like Amundson? He's 32 years old and has been in the league 8 years; we already know he sucks. Why is Early being deactivated for Amundson and Lance Thomas? Why is Jason Smith still on the team? He hasn't made a single positive contribution and I would expect him to be gone after this season. Pay him the remainder of his deal and waive his ass already. Why aren't we bringing up other D-leaguers? We need to take chances on guys like Curry, JaMychal Green, and Quincy Miller. I mean, what's the ****ing point of anything we're doing this year?
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1/17/2015  12:26 PM
smackeddog wrote:Why do people assume that every player in every league wants to play for the Knicks above all other teams? He had obviously built up a relationship with the Spurs, they'd been tracking him and he played for their affiliate.

I guarantee there isn't a single D-league player that would turn down a chance to play for an NBA team, no matter how good or bad the team is.

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1/17/2015  12:39 PM
VCoug wrote:I've lost almost total faith in our front office this season. Why are we wasting our time with retreads like Amundson? He's 32 years old and has been in the league 8 years; we already know he sucks. Why is Early being deactivated for Amundson and Lance Thomas? Why is Jason Smith still on the team? He hasn't made a single positive contribution and I would expect him to be gone after this season. Pay him the remainder of his deal and waive his ass already. Why aren't we bringing up other D-leaguers? We need to take chances on guys like Curry, JaMychal Green, and Quincy Miller. I mean, what's the ****ing point of anything we're doing this year?

Well said. Good points, esp. about Early. He made it back, right? He's healthy? They why the F didn't he play the other day in London?? The kid needs to be developed to the fullest the rest of the way. Your guess is as good as mine, bro. Definitely agree with you one some of these DLers too. Out of all the teams in the NBA, we're the worst and should be utilizing the DL as a avenue to get better at a few positions more than anyone. They're passing up some real good opportunities here. It's a shame. I really have no idea what we're doing.

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1/17/2015  12:48 PM
Finestrg wrote:
VCoug wrote:I've lost almost total faith in our front office this season. Why are we wasting our time with retreads like Amundson? He's 32 years old and has been in the league 8 years; we already know he sucks. Why is Early being deactivated for Amundson and Lance Thomas? Why is Jason Smith still on the team? He hasn't made a single positive contribution and I would expect him to be gone after this season. Pay him the remainder of his deal and waive his ass already. Why aren't we bringing up other D-leaguers? We need to take chances on guys like Curry, JaMychal Green, and Quincy Miller. I mean, what's the ****ing point of anything we're doing this year?

Well said. Good points, esp. about Early. He made it back, right? He's healthy? They why the F didn't he play the other day in London?? The kid needs to be developed to the fullest the rest of the way. Your guess is as good as mine, bro. Definitely agree with you one some of these DLers too. Out of all the teams in the NBA, we're the worst and should be utilizing the DL as a avenue to get better at a few positions more than anyone. They're passing up some real good opportunities here. It's a shame. I really have no idea what we're doing.

And right now the only guys we have under contract for next season are Melo, Calderon, Hardaway, Prigioni, Early, Acy and Wear have team options, and whoever we draft with our 1st round pick. With only $26M-ish to work with in cap space this Summer if we want to put any sort of competitive team on the floor next season we need get lucky with at least one D-leaguer.

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1/17/2015  12:51 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/17/2015  12:52 PM
Thing is we are also trying to presever cap space and tanking at the same time

Fine has been eyeing him for a long time
I think we should have signed him long ago along with Millsap (as leverage for targetting his brother and Holiday has been a great signing for GS who is another team who always finds D League talents

We missed out out on COvington and I think he is comparabled in some skills
Elliot WIlliams was also signed to Utah with Millsap


We need these type of cheap talents and I dont know why we target these older players instead of these younger ones with much higher upside/potential

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1/17/2015  12:53 PM
But the early news was that we were interested. What does that mean? I would think that means we were in communication with the guys agent. Obviously we didn't blow him away with what we had to say.
To let Wolters slip by and now this guy, WHEN we have Amundson on a 10 day which is more like unemployment benefits for the guy because everyone involved here knows he is not going to be on this roster.
That move reminds me of the Chris Smith Nepotism thing. I get the feeling they have something big in mind cause they are asleep at the wheel with the day to day business. It is like we have upper management
and lower management, with nothing in the middle (or something like that )
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1/17/2015  12:53 PM
Pretty simple. Offer him the same as a low 1st rounder 3 years 2.5mm w 2 years guaranteed.


Money and commitment to a young player and his agent would make a difference

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1/17/2015  12:54 PM
Unless this kid is a world beater then I think this is a non-issue. Plus a 6'9" PF is not something I am looking for. Now if he is a PG then I would be a little upset.
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1/17/2015  1:18 PM
earthmansurfer wrote:But the early news was that we were interested. What does that mean? I would think that means we were in communication with the guys agent. Obviously we didn't blow him away with what we had to say.
To let Wolters slip by and now this guy, WHEN we have Amundson on a 10 day which is more like unemployment benefits for the guy because everyone involved here knows he is not going to be on this roster.
That move reminds me of the Chris Smith Nepotism thing. I get the feeling they have something big in mind cause they are asleep at the wheel with the day to day business. It is like we have upper management
and lower management, with nothing in the middle (or something like that )

This. Really puzzled by the apparent non interest in Wolters.

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1/17/2015  1:32 PM
Knicks scouting department has been one of the worst for years; they have no clue. All if their focus is in scouting high price players.
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1/17/2015  1:46 PM
Remember last season when we didn't sign Fredette and people had meltdowns and said we should have signed him for two years and said it showed out front office was terrible etc? How did that work out?
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1/17/2015  1:47 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/17/2015  1:47 PM
Knicks1969 wrote:Knicks scouting department has been one of the worst for years; they have no clue. All if their focus is in scouting high price players.

Lin, Novak, Cope, Cole, Travis Wear. Whatever.

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NYKBocker wrote:Unless this kid is a world beater then I think this is a non-issue. Plus a 6'9" PF is not something I am looking for. Now if he is a PG then I would be a little upset.

This board is full of catastrophizers!

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1/17/2015  1:54 PM
Knicks1969 wrote:Knicks scouting department has been one of the worst for years; they have no clue. All if their focus is in scouting high price players.

We have a new influx of scouting people you know. We need to stop acting like this is completely the same regime for the last 15 years. Phil has his own people on the staff now in addition to some of the old staff. People make too much of these things. Every year I read stuff about guys that we are "STUPID" to not have gone after. Very few actually turn into anything.

Phil has some guys with experience on the staff. He has his own views on how he wants to build the team and I think he'll have good advice from guys who have experience finding talent and making deals.

Mark Warkentien - He was elevated to Vice President of Basketball Operations in 2006, replacing the released Kiki Vandeweghe shortly after the season ended. In his time in Denver he made two blockbuster deals, one involving the Philadelphia 76ers which sent Andre Miller to Philadelphia for Allen Iverson, and the second transaction sending Iverson to Detroit to return Denver native Chauncey Billups home.

Before his current position, he was in the front office of the Cleveland Cavaliers as Director of Player Personnel and then became the interim GM for the latter half of the 2004-05 season. Before working for Cleveland, Warkentien worked for the Portland Trail Blazers for ten seasons. During his time in Portland, Warkentien held many positions. He was a scout, then promoted to Director of Scouting and the became assistant general manager for the Portland Trail Blazers from 1998-2003 and spent the next season as Director of Player Personnel.

His NBA career began in 1991 with the former Seattle SuperSonics, where he spent three years as scout.
He also coached several Southern California college basketball teams, before joining Jerry Tarkanian's coaching staff as an assistant at UNLV.

In March 2009 Warkentien was mentioned in Sports Illustrated's as mid-seasons Executive of the Year and again in April 2009

He won the NBA Executive of the Year Award for the 2008–09 NBA season. His transactions included sending Allen Iverson to the Detroit Pistons for Chauncey Billups, and signing free-agent Chris Andersen, while moving the Nuggets under the luxury tax at the same time.

On January 30, 2011 The New York Knicks agreed to hire Warkentien as a high-level consultant.

Clarence Gaines Jr. - NBA veteran joined Knicks as basketball advisor in summer 2014...Serves as talent evaluator on both the pro and college levels and is also involved in player personnel decisions.

Key member of Chicago Bulls staff (alongside then-head coach Phil Jackson) throughout Chicago’s run to six NBA titles during the 1990s...Originally joined Bulls as a part-time scout in 1988-89...Promoted to full-time status in 1989 and served for 11 seasons (1989-90 through 1999-2000) as scout and special assistant to the general manager, overseeing college, high school and international scouting during the Bulls’ championship era.

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1/17/2015  1:54 PM
smackeddog wrote:Remember last season when we didn't sign Fredette and people had meltdowns and said we should have signed him for two years and said it showed out front office was terrible etc? How did that work out?

You are going to use Fredette as the case in point? You are using a basic False Dilemma argument. There are more than two choices. Besides Fredette and Wolters being white, they don't have a lot outside that in common. Wolters has the length to really cause problems for opposing guards. He can score very well, albeit not great from the outside. But this is a young guy who will get it going out there. He REALLY can distribute the rock. In his own words he was told to score in college, he had to be pushed. This is a real PG. Fredette was a great scorer in college and little else. Fredette (who I did like coming out) has just been exposed at this higher level. Wolters has actually played well.

The larger point though, is why waste 10 days of roster with Amundson? It makes no sense. It is a Chris Smith head scratcher. I guess they can cut him at any time so maybe they saw him as a practice player. I could see that, but not at this time of the season, not with us tanking.

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