Kanter would be more of a fit offensively in terms of his shot, but he is not much of a passer, and he rarely blocks shots, despite his size.

Not sure how anyone would want Jordan over Gasol, unless you are talking durability. He is a better defender, but is limited in so many ways.

WaltLongmire wrote:Don't think Phil would want Jordan. No midrange game and not much of a passer, either. Has averaged 42% from the foul line.

Kanter would be more of a fit offensively in terms of his shot, but he is not much of a passer, and he rarely blocks shots, despite his size.

Not sure how anyone would want Jordan over Gasol, unless you are talking durability. He is a better defender, but is limited in so many ways.

Imagine how our defense improves with
Jordan C (max)
Melo back at PF
and we draft Stanley Johnson to play the 3
overpay for Wesley Mathews at the SG (start at $12mm)
Suddenly Calderon at PG doesnt seem so bad

Just one scenario where I think Jordan is a huge pickup

fishmike wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:Don't think Phil would want Jordan. No midrange game and not much of a passer, either. Has averaged 42% from the foul line.

Kanter would be more of a fit offensively in terms of his shot, but he is not much of a passer, and he rarely blocks shots, despite his size.

Not sure how anyone would want Jordan over Gasol, unless you are talking durability. He is a better defender, but is limited in so many ways.

Jordan is 4-5 years younger but also a build that looks more durable. Gasol is a plodder. He's a fractured foot away from being useless. He may play another healthy 10 years, hell Sabonis had a build like that but I prefer a guy I can anchor a defense around. Also he's a great fit if we dont get OK4 but you can play Melo next to him.

Imagine how our defense improves with
Jordan C (max)
Melo back at PF
and we draft Stanley Johnson to play the 3
overpay for Wesley Mathews at the SG (start at $12mm)
Suddenly Calderon at PG doesnt seem so bad

Just one scenario where I think Jordan is a huge pickup

Jordan max--fishmike???? Blake Griffin Chris paul--max YES Jordan is only a guy who eats off their plates. If we give max money they have to be a premium skill player. And NO way would I give Matthews 12mm--TWELEVE MILLION????? that means we just spend 100mm on Jordan and Matthews and thats our team?? By the way why do you want Stanley Johnson when we have Melo? Two guys who plays iso with the ball--watch Johnson play he dribbles the ball A LOT and his usage is only fair for the time he has the ball. Hes still young with a lot of talent--but my guess is we pass there too.

Finestrg wrote:

Vmart wrote:You never max out a one way player. That was one of the reason Phil Dumped Tyson. The need is for a Big that can score a little on his own. Jordan is a lot like Tyson he needs to be setup to get his. Gasol on the other hand is more than capable to score play some defense I would max him out before Jordan.

I dunno about maxing out Gasol. He's older than these two guys, not nearly the rim protector Jordan is (or the rebounder--let's not forget Jordan provides elite level production in two important categories. I'd rather have Jordan than Tyson Chandler for example--not even close) and then I think Kanter may have even more upside as a scorer/rebounder. Gasol plays about 5 more mins per than Kanter and takes about 4 more shots a game. Give Kanter that and I think he surpasses Gasol's production and will have many more years of doing so (Kanter's only 22 years old, just coming into his own; Gasol turns 30 at the end of the month).

I wonder how Utah feels about Kanter. Do they feel he's a guy worth matching at any price? He's an UFA--they will maintain the upper hand in negotiations.

Fine I dont see Gasol coming here. His whole family is rooted in Memphis they have a solid owner team his kids are in school there and he can get the most money there. Why would he come to NY? Kanter is a decent player but doesnt pass or block shots so Id be shocked if we go there.

fishmike wrote:I would 100% offer Jordan the max. I know he's pretty much a one way player but he's everything we hoped Tyson would be at 26 years old. If we draft OK4 Im more inclined to throw max money at wing. However if we dont (75% likely) maxing Jordan makes tons of sense.

MUCH MUCH MUCH prefer him over Gasol.

10-12 million max for him. Way too many flaws and not really a Triangle type of playa

BRIGGS wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

Vmart wrote:You never max out a one way player. That was one of the reason Phil Dumped Tyson. The need is for a Big that can score a little on his own. Jordan is a lot like Tyson he needs to be setup to get his. Gasol on the other hand is more than capable to score play some defense I would max him out before Jordan.

I dunno about maxing out Gasol. He's older than these two guys, not nearly the rim protector Jordan is (or the rebounder--let's not forget Jordan provides elite level production in two important categories. I'd rather have Jordan than Tyson Chandler for example--not even close) and then I think Kanter may have even more upside as a scorer/rebounder. Gasol plays about 5 more mins per than Kanter and takes about 4 more shots a game. Give Kanter that and I think he surpasses Gasol's production and will have many more years of doing so (Kanter's only 22 years old, just coming into his own; Gasol turns 30 at the end of the month).

I wonder how Utah feels about Kanter. Do they feel he's a guy worth matching at any price? He's an UFA--they will maintain the upper hand in negotiations.

Fine I dont see Gasol coming here. His whole family is rooted in Memphis they have a solid owner team his kids are in school there and he can get the most money there. Why would he come to NY? Kanter is a decent player but doesnt pass or block shots so Id be shocked if we go there.

Kanter can work Nesterovic/Spitter complimenting Duncan way to compliment OK4. He is younger than Jordan. Jordan works but no way you max out another one dimensional player. It will detroy you at other positions

gunsnewing wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

Vmart wrote:You never max out a one way player. That was one of the reason Phil Dumped Tyson. The need is for a Big that can score a little on his own. Jordan is a lot like Tyson he needs to be setup to get his. Gasol on the other hand is more than capable to score play some defense I would max him out before Jordan.

I dunno about maxing out Gasol. He's older than these two guys, not nearly the rim protector Jordan is (or the rebounder--let's not forget Jordan provides elite level production in two important categories. I'd rather have Jordan than Tyson Chandler for example--not even close) and then I think Kanter may have even more upside as a scorer/rebounder. Gasol plays about 5 more mins per than Kanter and takes about 4 more shots a game. Give Kanter that and I think he surpasses Gasol's production and will have many more years of doing so (Kanter's only 22 years old, just coming into his own; Gasol turns 30 at the end of the month).

I wonder how Utah feels about Kanter. Do they feel he's a guy worth matching at any price? He's an UFA--they will maintain the upper hand in negotiations.

Fine I dont see Gasol coming here. His whole family is rooted in Memphis they have a solid owner team his kids are in school there and he can get the most money there. Why would he come to NY? Kanter is a decent player but doesnt pass or block shots so Id be shocked if we go there.

It can work Nesterovic/Spitter complimenting Duncan way to compliment OK4. He is younger than Jordan. Jordan works but way you max out another one dimensional. It will detroy you at other positions

The more I think about it--the more Id rather be cheap and flexible until we got what we wanted. I don't mind paying guys big one year salaries with an option if we cant find the right guys longer term. Realistically were going to have to wait and see what happens int he draft before e we can look at FA.

BRIGGS wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

Vmart wrote:You never max out a one way player. That was one of the reason Phil Dumped Tyson. The need is for a Big that can score a little on his own. Jordan is a lot like Tyson he needs to be setup to get his. Gasol on the other hand is more than capable to score play some defense I would max him out before Jordan.

I dunno about maxing out Gasol. He's older than these two guys, not nearly the rim protector Jordan is (or the rebounder--let's not forget Jordan provides elite level production in two important categories. I'd rather have Jordan than Tyson Chandler for example--not even close) and then I think Kanter may have even more upside as a scorer/rebounder. Gasol plays about 5 more mins per than Kanter and takes about 4 more shots a game. Give Kanter that and I think he surpasses Gasol's production and will have many more years of doing so (Kanter's only 22 years old, just coming into his own; Gasol turns 30 at the end of the month).

I wonder how Utah feels about Kanter. Do they feel he's a guy worth matching at any price? He's an UFA--they will maintain the upper hand in negotiations.

Fine I dont see Gasol coming here. His whole family is rooted in Memphis they have a solid owner team his kids are in school there and he can get the most money there. Why would he come to NY? Kanter is a decent player but doesnt pass or block shots so Id be shocked if we go there.

It can work Nesterovic/Spitter complimenting Duncan way to compliment OK4. He is younger than Jordan. Jordan works but way you max out another one dimensional. It will detroy you at other positions

The more I think about it--the more Id rather be cheap and flexible until we got what we wanted. I don't mind paying guys big one year salaries with an option if we cant find the right guys longer term. Realistically were going to have to wait and see what happens int he draft before e we can look at FA.

or go cheap with a guy like Biyombo. Maybe Asik

Cheap young athletic center who will project the rim and rebound. Passing would be a huge plus. Block totals mean nothing. Tyson averages less than a block.

If we draft Towns, Stein. Mudiay or Russell then you go for Butler, Leonard, Matthews or Millsap, Monroe or Harris