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CrushAlot
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1/7/2015  10:34 AM
http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2321599-in-one-overdue-trade-phil-jackson-sets-knicks-on-course-correction-long-needed
A lot of good stuff. I didnt know Sam was constantly late for practice, concerns about JR etc.
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1/7/2015  10:54 AM
good read. I think we suspected much of that. Didnt know about Sam either, and that would explain Fisher's disdain for him early on.

Its also clear from his history Melo needs the right personalities around him. He's liked by teammates but not the most mature. The right heads will help that as well.

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1/7/2015  10:55 AM
I like this bit:

The Knicks will head into free agency with a projected $27 million in cap room. That's enough to sign a max player and a handful of solid role players. Or Jackson could opt for depth, spreading the funds among an array of high-quality starters. Or he could play it conservatively and roll some of that cap room into 2016.

Will any stars come? Who knows? There are no guarantees in free agency, as the Knicks learned in 2010 (refresher: LeBron James said no. Stoudemire and Felton said yes.) But in today's NBA, flexibility is critical, and capped-out mediocrity is a slow death.

This summer, Jackson will have the opportunity to completely remake the roster, with players who fit his vision and offensive system. The Knicks will be freed of cap-killers Stoudemire and Andrea Bargnani and other assorted flotsam.

This is a rare moment in Knicks history. They will have a high draft pick—likely top three—in June, and massive cap room in July.

It's similar to what i've read in other articles which agreed that this was a good move for the Knicks and that they have options for a better future going this route.

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1/7/2015  10:59 AM
CrushAlot wrote:http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2321599-in-one-overdue-trade-phil-jackson-sets-knicks-on-course-correction-long-needed
A lot of good stuff. I didnt know Sam was constantly late for practice, concerns about JR etc.

He's notorious for being late- he got disciplined in Dallas for sleeping in twice.

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1/7/2015  11:09 AM
For over a decade, since before the IT era, a lot of people on these boards have been calling for a total rebuild- can't believe it's really happening! Next years lack of pick is the major fly in the ointment though.
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1/7/2015  11:13 AM
smackeddog wrote:For over a decade, since before the IT era, a lot of people on these boards have been calling for a total rebuild- can't believe it's really happening! Next years lack of pick is the major fly in the ointment though.

I think Phil is going to look to address that and even could look for another pick this year. Just cuz he hasn't done it yet doesn't mean he's not thinking about it. People forget that we didn't have picks last draft and he addressed that.
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1/7/2015  11:38 AM
LaMarcus Aldridge would be the 1st call in the summer. Imagine Okafor, Aldridge and Melo frontline. I would then try to get Dragic at PG next. If Dragic says no then get Lin. Hopefully THJr gets better.
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1/7/2015  12:01 PM
The latest murmurings on the Knicks thinking:

There has been some discussion about the high profile would-be restricted free agents like Butler, Harris and Leonard and what team would put the expected max offer sheet on the table. The Knicks now looked primed to be one of those teams.

Sources close to the thinking in New York peg the Knicks as a likely suitor for both Harris and Butler, with a belief that the Knicks would indeed offer max money to Butler, with Harris viewed as a secondary option.

There has been a long running narrative that the Knicks have an eye for Gasol, however sources near Gasol in Memphis say beyond a cursory exploration of free agency his mindset is to re-sign with the Grizzlies.

Another interesting wrinkle for the Knicks is that not only will they have $34.1 million to play with in July; the 2016 NBA salary cap is expected to climb to a number north of $80 million when the NBA’s new TV rights deal kicks in.

Some projections estimate that the 2016 cap could go as high as $82-$85 million, meaning the Knicks could gain an additional $15 to $18 million in space if they keep themselves at or near the expected 2015 cap.

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-am-knicks-could-have-34-1-million-in-capspace/

Also they said elsewhere that the Knicks will likely spend this offseason targeting 2nd and 3rd tire player, and then focus on a big player in 2016. That's absolutely the right thing to do- don't try and hit a home run this offseason, we can't fix it over night. Gamble with a max offer sheet with either Leonard or Butler (likely strike out), and just focus on a couple of 2nd tier guys.

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1/7/2015  12:15 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/7/2015  12:25 PM
Hahn and and the likes are pushing hard for Gasol.

I rather draft OK4 or Towns and go hard at jimmy butler or Leonard. Hopefully Galloway pans out. Maybe bring back Larkin to back him up(good defensive player). If Galloway sucks get Lin. Trade Calderon and THJ to free up more cap space.

If your two best players are Melo and Gasol surrounded by vet min bums you are not getting to the finals and your window would be very short just like Melo and Tyson. Not even worth counting Amare

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1/7/2015  12:21 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Hahn and and the likes are pushing hard for Gasol.

I rather draft OK4 or Towns and go hard at jimmy butler or Leonard. Hopefully Galloway pans out. Maybe bring back Larkin to back him up(good defensive player). If Galloway sucks get Lin. Trade Calderon and THJ to free up more cap space.

If your two best players are Melo and Gasol surrounded by vet min bums you are not getting to the finals and your window would be very short

I don't think there is anyway Gasol leaves Memphis. He is in a great situation with a great team. He can make more there and I believe he is in a tax free state which means even more take home pay.
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1/7/2015  12:24 PM
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gunsnewing wrote:Hahn and and the likes are pushing hard for Gasol.

I rather draft OK4 or Towns and go hard at jimmy butler or Leonard. Hopefully Galloway pans out. Maybe bring back Larkin to back him up(good defensive player). If Galloway sucks get Lin. Trade Calderon and THJ to free up more cap space.

If your two best players are Melo and Gasol surrounded by vet min bums you are not getting to the finals and your window would be very short

I don't think there is anyway Gasol leaves Memphis. He is in a great situation with a great team. He can make more there and I believe he is in a tax free state which means even more take home pay.

Stephen A. Smith is saying Gasol wants out of Memphis. Wants to be in a big market like NY or LA. Which makes no sense since I don't see Gasol as a marketable player

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1/7/2015  12:35 PM
Excited to see the Knicks seem to be very high on Butler. Butler would be my number# 1 target (assuming Gasol is staying put.) A two way player who can score the ball and the year to year improvement shows the dedication he has to the game. Butler is the exact type of player you want to build with.
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1/7/2015  12:36 PM
gunsnewing wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Hahn and and the likes are pushing hard for Gasol.

I rather draft OK4 or Towns and go hard at jimmy butler or Leonard. Hopefully Galloway pans out. Maybe bring back Larkin to back him up(good defensive player). If Galloway sucks get Lin. Trade Calderon and THJ to free up more cap space.

If your two best players are Melo and Gasol surrounded by vet min bums you are not getting to the finals and your window would be very short

I don't think there is anyway Gasol leaves Memphis. He is in a great situation with a great team. He can make more there and I believe he is in a tax free state which means even more take home pay.

Stephen A. Smith is saying Gasol wants out of Memphis. Wants to be in a big market like NY or LA. Which makes no sense since I don't see Gasol as a marketable player

If he is saying it maybe there is something to it.
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1/7/2015  12:36 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Hahn and and the likes are pushing hard for Gasol.

I rather draft OK4 or Towns and go hard at jimmy butler or Leonard. Hopefully Galloway pans out. Maybe bring back Larkin to back him up(good defensive player). If Galloway sucks get Lin. Trade Calderon and THJ to free up more cap space.

If your two best players are Melo and Gasol surrounded by vet min bums you are not getting to the finals and your window would be very short just like Melo and Tyson. Not even worth counting Amare

Just listened to Hahns podcast, and he was actually pushing for us to forget about stars and just target 2nd and 3rd tier players- he said we should try to get 3 good players this offseason. I like that plan. Add our top pick and Melo and we might actually have a starting five made up of 5 players who actually should be starters- been a long time since we could say that!

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1/7/2015  12:44 PM
smackeddog wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Hahn and and the likes are pushing hard for Gasol.

I rather draft OK4 or Towns and go hard at jimmy butler or Leonard. Hopefully Galloway pans out. Maybe bring back Larkin to back him up(good defensive player). If Galloway sucks get Lin. Trade Calderon and THJ to free up more cap space.

If your two best players are Melo and Gasol surrounded by vet min bums you are not getting to the finals and your window would be very short just like Melo and Tyson. Not even worth counting Amare

Just listened to Hahns podcast, and he was actually pushing for us to forget about stars and just target 2nd and 3rd tier players- he said we should try to get 3 good players this offseason. I like that plan. Add our top pick and Melo and we might actually have a starting five made up of 5 players who actually should be starters- been a long time since we could say that!


Hopefully we're focusing on fit also
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1/7/2015  1:08 PM
Crush, stuff we don't know but the reality is A team depleted like we were became dependant on a guy like Smith with bad habits. He was a patch.
Sam makes millions on his height and is at the end of his contract.

Its an old story.

I love this article. I have been in agreement with this for some time and this guy writes much better than I do. Phil's only blemish is Calderon's contract and in the scheme of things not really that fatal at all!

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1/7/2015  1:09 PM
NYKBocker wrote:LaMarcus Aldridge would be the 1st call in the summer. Imagine Okafor, Aldridge and Melo frontline. I would then try to get Dragic at PG next. If Dragic says no then get Lin. Hopefully THJr gets better.

Why? No more Lin obsession. The guy can't even start on the Lakers this year. If they went out and acquired him in FA, that would be a colossal failure. They'd be better off getting a 1 way player that can defend the PG position. I really hope they get Knight, but we shall see.

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1/7/2015  1:18 PM
TeamBall wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Hahn and and the likes are pushing hard for Gasol.

I rather draft OK4 or Towns and go hard at jimmy butler or Leonard. Hopefully Galloway pans out. Maybe bring back Larkin to back him up(good defensive player). If Galloway sucks get Lin. Trade Calderon and THJ to free up more cap space.

If your two best players are Melo and Gasol surrounded by vet min bums you are not getting to the finals and your window would be very short just like Melo and Tyson. Not even worth counting Amare

Just listened to Hahns podcast, and he was actually pushing for us to forget about stars and just target 2nd and 3rd tier players- he said we should try to get 3 good players this offseason. I like that plan. Add our top pick and Melo and we might actually have a starting five made up of 5 players who actually should be starters- been a long time since we could say that!


Hopefully we're focusing on fit also

Not Hopefully. Phil is going to be very methodical about this. He's not just collect talent that won't make sense for how he wants the team to function. That's not how he thinks. He's looking for specific roles to be filled. Unlike a lot of GM's he's not just winging it he's got a blueprint for the type of team he wants. Some fans seem to forget this but he's done this before in terms of knowing the parts and what they contributed and how he used them. He didn't have to be a GM to understand those things. He knows the components of a title team and he's going to be working to establish that here.
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1/7/2015  1:25 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/7/2015  1:27 PM
SwishAndDish13 wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:LaMarcus Aldridge would be the 1st call in the summer. Imagine Okafor, Aldridge and Melo frontline. I would then try to get Dragic at PG next. If Dragic says no then get Lin. Hopefully THJr gets better.

Why? No more Lin obsession. The guy can't even start on the Lakers this year. If they went out and acquired him in FA, that would be a colossal failure. They'd be better off getting a 1 way player that can defend the PG position. I really hope they get Knight, but we shall see.


Linanity is gone. He is a good, not great player. is that 5 mil a year? Be a good Triangle trooper and high Harvard IQ culture guy off the bench?

Depends on the price I guess.
We can't have stars at every position or spend on it. Lin has not really had the benefit of being settled. Rockets had massive changes in his tenure and his laker team is a hot mess.
He could be a transition type player being here until we can develop a prototypical guy and Lin goes to the bench.
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1/7/2015  1:33 PM
nixluva wrote:
TeamBall wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Hahn and and the likes are pushing hard for Gasol.

I rather draft OK4 or Towns and go hard at jimmy butler or Leonard. Hopefully Galloway pans out. Maybe bring back Larkin to back him up(good defensive player). If Galloway sucks get Lin. Trade Calderon and THJ to free up more cap space.

If your two best players are Melo and Gasol surrounded by vet min bums you are not getting to the finals and your window would be very short just like Melo and Tyson. Not even worth counting Amare

Just listened to Hahns podcast, and he was actually pushing for us to forget about stars and just target 2nd and 3rd tier players- he said we should try to get 3 good players this offseason. I like that plan. Add our top pick and Melo and we might actually have a starting five made up of 5 players who actually should be starters- been a long time since we could say that!


Hopefully we're focusing on fit also

Not Hopefully. Phil is going to be very methodical about this. He's not just collect talent that won't make sense for how he wants the team to function. That's not how he thinks. He's looking for specific roles to be filled. Unlike a lot of GM's he's not just winging it he's got a blueprint for the type of team he wants. Some fans seem to forget this but he's done this before in terms of knowing the parts and what they contributed and how he used them. He didn't have to be a GM to understand those things. He knows the components of a title team and he's going to be working to establish that here.

I really do hope you're right but after seeing the Knicks do the opposite of that time and time again I'm gonna be cautiously optimistic.
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