Full bore dump on those two. Cultural revolution continues.

I know it wasn't Phil's mistake, and you have to give him credit for cleaning up.

I think some of the hate directed at Phil is more about hate for past bad management- much related to Dolan.

Are we going to think in 2-3 years that Melo's contract was just a version of JR? Paid for past performance, but light on future value?

franco12 wrote:the problem I have with the trade is we basically paid out in a way to dump JR, and the truth is, he was a mistake of our own creation- he should never have been signed to the deal he was given.

I know it wasn't Phil's mistake, and you have to give him credit for cleaning up.

I think some of the hate directed at Phil is more about hate for past bad management- much related to Dolan.

Are we going to think in 2-3 years that Melo's contract was just a version of JR? Paid for past performance, but light on future value?

fishmike wrote:

franco12 wrote:the problem I have with the trade is we basically paid out in a way to dump JR, and the truth is, he was a mistake of our own creation- he should never have been signed to the deal he was given.

I know it wasn't Phil's mistake, and you have to give him credit for cleaning up.

I think some of the hate directed at Phil is more about hate for past bad management- much related to Dolan.

Are we going to think in 2-3 years that Melo's contract was just a version of JR? Paid for past performance, but light on future value?

JR.. I mean he's as frustrating as it gets but 3 years at $6mm per for a guy who seemed to be peeking and just won 6th man of the year on a 54 win team was not a bad contract. Certainly he cashed in and didnt live up to that contract, but if we are being fair that contract was earned. It (like everything else) was a swing and miss last two years. I think this trade is much better than the Tyson trade. Tyson had legit value. What is Iman's value? We werent resigning him and who wants a guy who is so totally inconsistent on both ends? What do you think Shump signs for over the summer?

I agree. There were several posters who wanted to let JR walk - I forget where I stood at the time. I suspect that the deal he signed may have been to make up for the earlier deal he signed to join us.

Shump needed to break out this year, and for the first ten games it looked like he would.

Then he got hurt. There are some athletes that can't stay healthy, and I suspect he is one. I wish him luck, but yes, I doubt he signs for more than the vet minimum unless he explodes with the Cavs.

Knicks1969 wrote:My only criticism of Phil is for the hiring of a rookie who has never coached in his life to guide a team like the Knicks. He should have chosen someone else. As for the trades, I am happy JR and Shump are no longer around. I want him to do something with Amare, Jayson Smith, and Bargnani next.

We need to move on from his moves before the season and how the team played this year. It didn't work, so he flushed it!!! People were hating on Phil for not using analytics and they were wrong. The Knicks org has key guys who are into advanced metrics. People here have assumed that Phil had gotten himself stuck and again they were wrong.

Player             2015/16 
Carmelo Anthony    $22,875,000 
Jose Calderon      $7,402,812   
Pablo Prigioni     $1,734,572
Tim Hardaway Jr    $1,304,520
Cleanthony Early   $845,059
      TOTALS:      $34,161,963
Team Options
Quincy Acy         $1,181,348
Travis Wear        $1,045,059

nixluva wrote:People can guess what Shump might have been traded for but they can't prove that a team was willing to give a 1st rd pick for him. Just like they can't prove Tyson could've brought back more. These kinds of statements are passed off as fact when they are not. The FACT is that Phil now has at least $30 mil in cap space this summer and he still has a chance to create more space.

We need to move on from his moves before the season and how the team played this year. It didn't work, so he flushed it!!! People were hating on Phil for not using analytics and they were wrong. The Knicks org has key guys who are into advanced metrics. People here have assumed that Phil had gotten himself stuck and again they were wrong.

Player             2015/16 
Carmelo Anthony    $22,875,000 
Jose Calderon      $7,402,812   
Pablo Prigioni     $1,734,572
Tim Hardaway Jr    $1,304,520
Cleanthony Early   $845,059
      TOTALS:      $34,161,963
Team Options
Quincy Acy         $1,181,348
Travis Wear        $1,045,059

that sounds familiar