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1/3/2015  10:48 PM
Not sure if the Knicks should create a roster spot for Langston. He has played well in Westchester, hits the three and has a 6'8 wing span. He seems like a future rotation triangle point guard. Not sure who they move/waive if they want to create a spot for him. Knicks could sign him and assign him to Westchester.
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1/3/2015  11:06 PM
Only 62k of Wear's deal is guaranteed. Only 2 mil of the 4 mil owed to Sam is guaranteed. I think Phil move Sam for something. I am not as sold on Wear as others but I don't know if he is the guy you cut on a team rebuilding. I thinknPhil keeps Bargs and Stat at least until the trade deadline.
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1/4/2015  12:15 AM
You would think Phil could find a new home for Dalembert. There should be a team or 2 who could use a big off the bench. I like Galloway. We could use a guard that can not only shoot but has some length. I read that he's a very efficient finisher which is good to hear.
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1/4/2015  12:20 AM
Also, Finest's guy JaMychal Green looks like a sure thing as at least a rotation player. Green looks a lot better than Acy. Watching the Sixers right now and Covington (dleague signing) looks like a really good nba player.
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1/4/2015  12:28 AM
Should the Knicks sign a kid like Quincy Miller. A Mc Donalds All American if he didn't have a knee injury and the top prospect in the d league? The Knicks really could add some young first round level talent in Miller and Green if they opened up roster spots. Not sure who is moved though. Maybe Sam and Pablo. I think Miller and Green are in the nba sooner rather than later.
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1/4/2015  12:42 AM
CrushAlot wrote:Should the Knicks sign a kid like Quincy Miller. A Mc Donalds All American if he didn't have a knee injury and the top prospect in the d league? The Knicks really could add some young first round level talent in Miller and Green if they opened up roster spots. Not sure who is moved though. Maybe Sam and Pablo. I think Miller and Green are in the nba sooner rather than later.
Green and Miller are both better than Acy and Wear in my opinion.
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1/4/2015  1:47 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/4/2015  2:24 AM
Great thread. 100% agree on Green, Miller and a slew of other talented D-Leaguers. Something about acquiring and auditioning young 1st round equivalent-level talent (agree with you here too, Crush) for the here and now and possibly past this year, without trading any money or assets--I dunno man, call me crazy but something about that I find appealing. How could you not, given our gloomy situation?? Much more realistic that talking about acquiring an additional 5 1st round picks in this draft. Someone explain to me how the hell we're doing that?? I'd rather forgo the pie in the sky stuff and stick to reality. Adding some premiere DL talent is realistic and 100% possible...We've gotta be stupid not to look at the DL right now. Go from the top down -- target the best of the best in the DL, not just Westchester players, who outside of Thanasis (who's really a guy for next year) and maybe Galloway, aren't NBA worthy...I really like the look of this kid Bryce Cotton for example -- I know Langston Galloway's a little taller and longer but this kid Cotton's clearly the better overall talent. What's more valuable -- a PG 2" bigger or one who's more talented? I think Cotton's better than Shane Larkin too who just hasn't panned out at all so far. Very possible this kid Cotton could be something close to Isaiah Thomas/Patty Mills in the NBA. Plus he's got a 40 inch vertical to boot btw. If we're looking for an instant PG upgrade, a guy with an exciting game and some real promise, Cotton would be my guy over Galloway. Nothing against Galloway--I know he's our own Westchester guy and you would think that we should give our own guys first crack but not if they're not good enough and there are better guys available. Common sense...Next, gotta find a way to get Elliot Williams in here as well. He now looks healthy & is showing the athleticism he had coming out of Memphis a few years ago plus a real diverse/versatile game -- scoring, handling, passing, defense, etc.. All the qualities that made him a 1st round pick are only full display every night the Santa Clara Warriors take the floor. Compare Elliot Williams to a fairly one dimensional 2G around the same size, a guy like Jodie Meeks for example. Meeks is a nice shooter and role player but to me, Williams is a vastly superior overall talent. Not even close...JaMychal Green reminds me a lot of David West--I even see a poor man's Antonio McDyess to a degree-- much better player than any big man we have in Westchester and better than either Acy or Travis Wear for that matter (I'd even argue better than STAT and Jason Smith). Wear, incidentally, isn't an NBA player. I think that's become clear by now... Funny, Acy's another guy who really hasn't panned out the way I thought he would've for whatever reason -- you figure guys like Larkin and Acy would be playing a lot more aggressive, adopting a real 'take the bull by the horns' attitude since day 1 this year trying to make a name for themselves on a real crappy team, and they just flat out haven't. It's really inexplicable. Even Cleanthony Early was playing passive in the early going before he went down. Early I'm willing to stick with, but these other guys man -- outta here, Jack! Why stick with them at this point? What are we getting for them? Nothing! Why would a playoff team want any of our guys? They can't make it happen here on a crappy team--what are they doing for a playoff team in meaningful games the rest of the way?? More than half our team serves us better just getting cut imo---at least we could immediately open up a few spots and import/audition some promising young talent. It's our best and only play right now as far as I can see. Everything else revolves around protecting Melo, tanking for the best possible lottery position (as embarrassing as it is the say it's 100% necessary) and being patient...Let's try to make some things happen here in the meantime. Green, Cotton, Elliot Williams -- I'd love to see all 3 of those guys in the orange and blue sometime soon. Start there. If we don't call these guys up someone else will, I assure you.

Regarding Covington, I was calling for this guy a few different times -- early on when Houston still had him (I was willing to trade Early and/or THJ to get Covington/Canaan), when they were on the verge of dumping him yet still listening to offers and then when they did finally cut him. Philly saw the talent and pounced, offering an extremely team-friendly deal which he accepted (4-yrs, a little over $4mm). For a player with his talent level--that's a steal. Great move by Philly. I wouldn't mind seeing us go the same route with a few different guys.

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1/4/2015  2:05 AM
I know it's easy to look at our kids with the Big team and assume others are better but I think if Larkin was in the D League right now he'd be lighting it up. The level of comp is so much higher in the NBA. Larkin is facing the best guards in the world. I'm not saying that there aren't other guards who would be better. Just need to keep things in perspective. The same with Acy and out other young guys.

Also this system can make guys look WAY more tentative than they might otherwise look in a more free style of play with less thinking. A lot of the hesitance is due to the Triangle and the very specific rules involved. You can't just freelance. In a way it's good that they spend so much time in the system and learn. That's how the Spurs do it. Some of the guys they have didn't look so good early on but have been developed in the system and now know what to do and can play well within the system.

I do agree that there are a lot of good prospects in the D League that we should consider.

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1/4/2015  12:10 PM
I am starting to wonder if Wear is waived so Galloway can be brought up. Wear's contract becomes guaranteed on 1/10. It seems like Phil should be able to get something for Sam. Also, I think Wear would clear waivers and could be signed to play in Westchester.
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1/4/2015  12:36 PM
They should cut Bargs before anyone. I think Wear will stay on. They have always had him above Early on the depth chart for some reason.
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1/4/2015  1:13 PM
They need to waive Amare, Bargs, shump, and dalembert.... they should waive jr smith and Calderon and use the stretch provision on them
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1/4/2015  2:04 PM
wear should be retained. good things tend to happen when he's out there. i am hopeful the knicks recognize this.
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1/4/2015  2:05 PM
dk7th wrote:wear should be retained. good things tend to happen when he's out there. i am hopeful the knicks recognize this.

they do and that is why they are making sure that he does not play

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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1/4/2015  2:14 PM
Wear sucks right now but If bricks are good then sure I guess you can say good things tend to happen when he is out there.
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1/4/2015  2:17 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:Wear sucks right now but If bricks are good then sure I guess you can say good things tend to happen when he is out there.
Agree. Also, he is a guy that I think would clear waivers and could be signed in Westchester.
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1/4/2015  3:53 PM
dk7th wrote:wear should be retained. good things tend to happen when he's out there. i am hopeful the knicks recognize this.

I think Phil and Fisher like Wear for the simple fact that he seems to understand what they are trying instill on offense, and usually displays that understanding when he plays.


I also think that Jackson has liked Galloway since he scouted him at the Portsmouth Tournament last year, and he probably gave him some kind of verbal guarantee that the Knicks would pick him up if he showed something in the DL.

I think Galloway has played the most minutes on the Westchester team so far- and I expect that Phil had something to do with this.

Galloway might be a better defender than I though- also seems to finish better at the basket than I expected. He is also a better 3P shooter than he has shown so far, IMO.

Long arms and physical strength might allow him to live in the NBA as a SG, but he also fits in as a Triangle PG type that Phil has had in the past, like Armstrong, Kerr, Fisher, etc. (Of course those Jackson teams had superstar SGs who were basically running the offense.)

There are a lot of players on the Knicks who are not in their future plans. Time to see if there are guys not on the team now who deserve a chance.

Bargs and Dalembert should go, and we should pick up Galloway and a DL big on 10 day contracts.

Bargs probably has no value at this point, but I would think that Dalembert might be worth a #2 pick to some team who needs a shot blocking center.

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1/4/2015  3:55 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:
dk7th wrote:wear should be retained. good things tend to happen when he's out there. i am hopeful the knicks recognize this.

I think Phil and Fisher like Wear for the simple fact that he seems to understand what they are trying instill on offense, and usually displays that understanding when he plays.


I also think that Jackson has liked Galloway since he scouted him at the Portsmouth Tournament last year, and he probably gave him some kind of verbal guarantee that the Knicks would pick him up if he showed something in the DL.

I think Galloway has played the most minutes on the Westchester team so far- and I expect that Phil had something to do with this.

Galloway might be a better defender than I though- also seems to finish better at the basket than I expected. He is also a better 3P shooter than he has shown so far, IMO.

Long arms and physical strength might allow him to live in the NBA as a SG, but he also fits in as a Triangle PG type that Phil has had in the past, like Armstrong, Kerr, Fisher, etc. (Of course those Jackson teams had superstar SGs who were basically running the offense.)

There are a lot of players on the Knicks who are not in their future plans. Time to see if there are guys not on the team now who deserve a chance.

Bargs and Dalembert should go, and we should pick up Galloway and a DL big on 10 day contracts.

Bargs probably has no value at this point, but I would think that Dalembert might be worth a #2 pick to some team who needs a shot blocking center.

can you explain the hatred for travis wear?

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1/4/2015  4:38 PM
Bryce Cotton, who's averaging 19.2 points, 5 rebounds and 5 assists per game in D-League, has received interest from 2-3 NBA teams that want to sign him to a 10-day contract, sources told Sportando. Sportando - See more at: http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm#sthash.zJipAyhe.dpuf
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1/4/2015  4:39 PM
Gino Pilato: After Elijah Millsap, good chance Quincy Miller could be the next Call-Up. Hearing several teams are interested according to a source. Twitter @DLeagueDigest

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1/4/2015  5:06 PM
dk7th wrote:
can you explain the hatred for travis wear?

I can't.

I'm disappointed with a lot of guys on the team, he is not one of them at this point.

He needs to be more consistent as a shooter and become stronger for defense and rebounding, but as an undrafted rookie who seemingly came out of nowhere, he has had some nice moments, so far, and as I said before, I think he is one of the guys on the team who has actually tried to learn the Triangle and perform within the system.

Maybe he needs some wild tattoos or a mohawk haircut.


The big issue that has to be decided is whether or not the Triangle, or some hybrid form of it, is a viable offense in the NBA at this point in time, and whether your star player can buy into it and fit into it. The non-stars who are trying to play within the system will never play to their full potential if certain other players dominate the ball and play the way they want to.

If Anthony, JR. Smith, and Hardaway can play within the system it should work, but Anthony seems to be indifferent and not truly ready to change, JR. Smith is a knucklehead who may not have the discipline and consistency to play within a system, and Hardaway, at times, seems to think that Woodson is still the coach, and his only job is to stand on the perimeter and wait for the ball so he can shoot a 3.


We have a lot of issues on this team, and waiving Wear is not one of the solutions at this point in time.

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