knicks1248 wrote:whats the use, we have a rookie coach who's 5 yrs away from being a real coach..Would you go away for a month and leave your 13 yr old to watch your 4 yr old, that's exactly what we got going here.

Ahahahaha. Lmfao, well said. Phil needs to step in

knicks1248 wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:whats the use, we have a rookie coach who's 5 yrs away from being a real coach..Would you go away for a month and leave your 13 yr old to watch your 4 yr old, that's exactly what we got going here.

Ahahahaha. Lmfao, well said. Phil needs to step in

At this point Fisher is already the worst coach the franchise has ever hired, how Can I evaluate players on this roster if they are being lead by the worst coach in franchise history. I mean he's already devalued the entire roster by putting them in different roles every game.

The defense makes MDA look like pat riley caching the knicks, and the players have all but gave up on the triangle,they only do it in spurts to give fisher a little bit of control. They set up the triangle and abandon it on the first initially pass.

JR is a utter mess and will need 3 yrs to change his game to fit this system
Amare I like off the bench
I have no fckng clue what Bargiani can do, i haven't seen him play in close to a yr

TANK, what a smoke screen..You know how somebody does something completely stupid, then to save face they say they meant do that..Thats whats going Here.

Agree

Splat wrote:So if Fish is a complete and utter disaster, what happens?

I don't see any scenario being a good one. Phil can't take over. He's wearing diapers. So do they slide Rambis into the driver's seat?

This is pretty bad now. I agree that even if tanking is now used as a smoke screen it doesn't deal with the way our coaching has almost completely decimated the value of our players for any possible trades.

CrushAlot wrote:

Splat wrote:So if Fish is a complete and utter disaster, what happens?

I don't see any scenario being a good one. Phil can't take over. He's wearing diapers. So do they slide Rambis into the driver's seat?

This is pretty bad now. I agree that even if tanking is now used as a smoke screen it doesn't deal with the way our coaching has almost completely decimated the value of our players for any possible trades.

It also might be the least talented roster ever put together although Layden's character club teams might have been worse talent wise.

Granted, but that's a given. Still doesn't address my question of what to do. Just wondering if Phil will pull the plug. Basically, Phil could be spinning in the toilet next season too, so its not like he is guaranteed to last anymore than Fish is. Phil is whiffing in the strike zone so far.

knicks1248 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Splat wrote:So if Fish is a complete and utter disaster, what happens?

I don't see any scenario being a good one. Phil can't take over. He's wearing diapers. So do they slide Rambis into the driver's seat?

This is pretty bad now. I agree that even if tanking is now used as a smoke screen it doesn't deal with the way our coaching has almost completely decimated the value of our players for any possible trades.

It also might be the least talented roster ever put together although Layden's character club teams might have been worse talent wise.

You have to tell your self that this roster is not that talent just to come to grips with our record, but the core of the team (who's that again, i can't tell by the rotations) lets say..Amare, Calderone, Melo, JR, Shump, THJ, Sammy, Priggs, are talented enough to be (at worst) 8th best team in the East.

I always believe that when you taken over a situation, the best way to do it is to take 50% of what they were already doing (the good part), and take 50% of what you want them to, and combine it. This way no ones overwhelmed with learning an entire new system, and consistently making mistakes and missing sht you would normally catch.

99.9% of the people covering the knicks, and the NBA in general have all agreed that the knicks don't have TRIANGLE type players, especially in key positions, SG, C, SF.

Phil jackson will have to fire fish, he has no choice, he's not ready, and whats worse is from what I hear (berman) part of the coaching staff wants to play the young guys, part want to abandon the triangle (not entirely)and big chief triangle wants to stay the course. No one is on the same page from top to bottom, players,coaches, president.

The biggest surprise to me at this point...You have not heard a PEEP from Dolan, I almost want him to do something..How can anyone be optimistic with everything going on here..Nothing at all has been positive

Normally I would totally disregard a Berman rumor but he cited information from a coach in another article. If Berman actually has a source on the caching staff that guy will be gone though. My guess is it would be one of the younger coaches. However, it is Berman and there maybe no source at all.

Splat wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Splat wrote:So if Fish is a complete and utter disaster, what happens?

I don't see any scenario being a good one. Phil can't take over. He's wearing diapers. So do they slide Rambis into the driver's seat?

This is pretty bad now. I agree that even if tanking is now used as a smoke screen it doesn't deal with the way our coaching has almost completely decimated the value of our players for any possible trades.

It also might be the least talented roster ever put together although Layden's character club teams might have been worse talent wise.

Granted, but that's a given. Still doesn't address my question of what to do. Just wondering if Phil will pull the plug. Basically, Phil could be spinning in the toilet next season too, so its not like he is guaranteed to last anymore than Fish is. Phil is whiffing in the strike zone so far.

TripleThreat wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Phil Jackson will have to fire fish, he has no choice, he's not ready, and whats worse is from what I hear (berman) part of the coaching staff wants to play the young guys, part want to abandon the triangle (not entirely)and big chief triangle wants to stay the course. No one is on the same page from top to bottom, players,coaches, president.

I doubt Zen Master fires Fisher. '

When you start outright clipping guys, you lose credibility in the coaching community.

Look at the Cleveland Browns. They've gutted their front office 3-4 times in the last 5-6 years. Of course changing ownership is part of the issue, but with so much instability, no coach with choices, no one with real options will pick your franchise.

If you seem like you have a hair trigger and will gut someone on a dime, real fast, due to media scrutiny, then all you will get are guys who are desperate to get any job. Those aren't the best of the best or the cream of the crop in terms of coaching and front office talent out there.

The bigger picture is you don't want to burn bridges with other established owners, refs, coaches, GMs and scouts. The reason a strong pre-established relationships are so critical in a small knit circle like the NBA is that you aren't going to burn out someone you will have to face and deal with in the league for the next 20 years.

What did the guy say in Glengarry Glen Ross, the trick to selling isn't selling one guy one Cadillac, the trick is to sell him five Cadillacs over the course of his lifetime.

I don't have a problem with Fisher, he fits one the base coaching pedigree types in the league ( former point guard, non star, has rings, has playoff experience, has experience dealing with difficult personalities ( Kobe), is black ( for dealing the reality that most NBA players are young black guys) and has former experience with the Players Union) Let him learn in a low expectation environment. This is the least talented or nearly the least talented 15 man roster in the league. Worse than low talent is the pervasive low sports IQ on the roster.

Personally I think Fisher was a true POS as a player. I mean a dirty savage boot heel piece of scum. Esp in his last waning years. He took ever advantage he could having players union leverage and just did everything he could to get an edge when his physical game fell through the floor. Don't get me wrong, he had his big moments and he was clearly a glue guy who played far above his talent level, but the guy was simply filthy dirty as a player. But even with that, he's a young coach and it's going to take a learning curve to see how he works out long term. Talent of course is also such a critical factor in how coaches are perceived in the NBA.

He might not be the right coach, but the Knicks need points of stability right now. Putting two in the back of his head now only create more chaos for the franchise than solve problems.

dude he's posted the worst start in 50 yrs, I don't think I'm going out on a limb here when I say he's not ready, not by any stretch of the imagination.

Low expectations... if the playoffs were the expectations, then what would you call having the worst record in the league. So lets play the young guys so they learn how to lose games, yeah that's a great envioroment.

Love and IRving got valuable minutes in a losing, no defense culture, and now when they have a prime piece to there roster , they still can't shake the losing habits..

No one could refuse

$100.00 Paypal to anyone who thinks Bargnani

Will see the court this year as a Knicks