Before that he had 11 straight years of playing on winning teams and a regular season winning % of .600 To say that you cant win with melo makes 0 sense. Melo really is the only good player on this team when Amare is hurt. Its pretty simple EVERY other player on the Knicks scks--their terrible inconsistent. Are some of these new posters comparing Melo to Jordan? Then stop. Did Dolan make a bad trade getting Melo--YES--but we can make Melo part of the solution. By trading Melo like some purport--we will only acheive one thing--handing over a top 3 pick to Tonto next year. Pat Riley would never trade melo--thats not how he works.

Phil Jackson made a TERRIBLE TERRIBLE trade for Tyson/Calderon. He didnt take charge to say JR--hes done waived. He brought in these players. He signed J Smith for 3+mm traded for Acy. He accepted Prigs and Larkin ass our PG and put a LOT of stock in Calderon. SO FAR PJ has taken a LOT of money and has done ZERO--he DID not try to tank. I wonder how many college games hes watched--my guess is hes watched more reruns of Seinfeld in one week than CBB games this year. He's right patience is key now(of course this is a change from the beginning of the season) but I am NOT down for 5 years of rebuilding--I do NOT buy into that. Melo is on this team hes our 22-24 point SF/PF--that is a piece. Fck the triangle---basically your saying w the triangle we cant draft or trade for certain talents---well you cant do that.

We need a LOT and the LAST thing we need is to trade melo for .30 like we traded ZACH Randolph David Lee etc... the same thing a few posters post here is the same thing posted about those guys--cant win with them. Melo is a piece--work with it shut up and do what you can to keep him healthy for the next 4 years. If they had any trepidation--I think they had time to talk about that before laying a no trade clause and 125 on him.

At some point you will be rooting for the Knicks without Melo

Some of you are so emotionally invested in Melo

It's beyond mind numbing, it's taking too long to figure out what it takes

To win with Jack N The Box head on our team

Your own words say we need A LOT, why do we need A LOT if Melo is so good

We are headed towards the worst regular season record in Knicks History

With Melo on it, think about this for a minute or 5

every single players value has been lowered. Jose started for a really good mavs squad last year and now he has basically been reduced to 3rd stringer quality. who in their right mind would come to a place where their #'s will take a major hit? and memo is not recruiting people here.

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gunsnewing wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Since his rookie year--hes has one losing season--last year

Before that he had 11 straight years of playing on winning teams and a regular season winning % of .600 To say that you cant win with melo makes 0 sense. Melo really is the only good player on this team when Amare is hurt. Its pretty simple EVERY other player on the Knicks scks--their terrible inconsistent. Are some of these new posters comparing Melo to Jordan? Then stop. Did Dolan make a bad trade getting Melo--YES--but we can make Melo part of the solution. By trading Melo like some purport--we will only acheive one thing--handing over a top 3 pick to Tonto next year. Pat Riley would never trade melo--thats not how he works.

Phil Jackson made a TERRIBLE TERRIBLE trade for Tyson/Calderon. He didnt take charge to say JR--hes done waived. He brought in these players. He signed J Smith for 3+mm traded for Acy. He accepted Prigs and Larkin ass our PG and put a LOT of stock in Calderon. SO FAR PJ has taken a LOT of money and has done ZERO--he DID not try to tank. I wonder how many college games hes watched--my guess is hes watched more reruns of Seinfeld in one week than CBB games this year. He's right patience is key now(of course this is a change from the beginning of the season) but I am NOT down for 5 years of rebuilding--I do NOT buy into that. Melo is on this team hes our 22-24 point SF/PF--that is a piece. Fck the triangle---basically your saying w the triangle we cant draft or trade for certain talents---well you cant do that.

We need a LOT and the LAST thing we need is to trade melo for .30 like we traded ZACH Randolph David Lee etc... the same thing a few posters post here is the same thing posted about those guys--cant win with them. Melo is a piece--work with it shut up and do what you can to keep him healthy for the next 4 years. If they had any trepidation--I think they had time to talk about that before laying a no trade clause and 125 on him.

Melo is a very expensive piece at $124mil. Taking up 40% of the cap. Can't say the same about Randolph and Lee

At the time we traded Zach we were looking

Forward to 2010 cap space, it landed us Amar'e and Felton

We traded Crawford too

So some say that's why you can't trade for cents on the dollar

Others will counter and say Cap Space doesn't really solve anything

Keep in mind we had cap space in 2010 added Amar'e/Felton to

3 first round draft pick players[Chandler, Gallo, Randolph]

The vets didn't mesh with the youth, so yes it could happen again this summer

If Phil was truly serious about Culture change he would have traded Melo

I would also hate to think we'd consider trading someone like OK4

For say Curry if he decided he wanted out of GSW starfudging

Panicking trying to win with Melo

Never forget had we drafted Curry he'd be in Denver for Melo

OK4 is clearly can't miss talent and I hope he's so good

He makes Phil ditch the triangle, makes Melo take a backseat and invent some new system

BRIGGS wrote:Since his rookie year--hes has one losing season--last year

Before that he had 11 straight years of playing on winning teams and a regular season winning % of .600 To say that you cant win with melo makes 0 sense. Melo really is the only good player on this team when Amare is hurt. Its pretty simple EVERY other player on the Knicks scks--their terrible inconsistent. Are some of these new posters comparing Melo to Jordan? Then stop. Did Dolan make a bad trade getting Melo--YES--but we can make Melo part of the solution. By trading Melo like some purport--we will only acheive one thing--handing over a top 3 pick to Tonto next year. Pat Riley would never trade melo--thats not how he works.

Phil Jackson made a TERRIBLE TERRIBLE trade for Tyson/Calderon. He didnt take charge to say JR--hes done waived. He brought in these players. He signed J Smith for 3+mm traded for Acy. He accepted Prigs and Larkin ass our PG and put a LOT of stock in Calderon. SO FAR PJ has taken a LOT of money and has done ZERO--he DID not try to tank. I wonder how many college games hes watched--my guess is hes watched more reruns of Seinfeld in one week than CBB games this year. He's right patience is key now(of course this is a change from the beginning of the season) but I am NOT down for 5 years of rebuilding--I do NOT buy into that. Melo is on this team hes our 22-24 point SF/PF--that is a piece. Fck the triangle---basically your saying w the triangle we cant draft or trade for certain talents---well you cant do that.

We need a LOT and the LAST thing we need is to trade melo for .30 like we traded ZACH Randolph David Lee etc... the same thing a few posters post here is the same thing posted about those guys--cant win with them. Melo is a piece--work with it shut up and do what you can to keep him healthy for the next 4 years. If they had any trepidation--I think they had time to talk about that before laying a no trade clause and 125 on him.

That's right. Melo is a piece. That's all he is.

Besides, he has already shot his wad. His best days are behind him. It's downhill from here for a guy who is not going to change his game.

He's becoming an old dog and you can't teach him new tricks.

He has been revered like he's some kind of phenomenal player when all he is is a piece, nothing more.

We do agree that the Tyson/Calderon trade was terrible though.

BRIGGS wrote:Since his rookie year--hes has one losing season--last year

Before that he had 11 straight years of playing on winning teams and a regular season winning % of .600 To say that you cant win with melo makes 0 sense. Melo really is the only good player on this team when Amare is hurt. Its pretty simple EVERY other player on the Knicks scks--their terrible inconsistent. Are some of these new posters comparing Melo to Jordan? Then stop. Did Dolan make a bad trade getting Melo--YES--but we can make Melo part of the solution. By trading Melo like some purport--we will only acheive one thing--handing over a top 3 pick to Tonto next year. Pat Riley would never trade melo--thats not how he works.

Phil Jackson made a TERRIBLE TERRIBLE trade for Tyson/Calderon. He didnt take charge to say JR--hes done waived. He brought in these players. He signed J Smith for 3+mm traded for Acy. He accepted Prigs and Larkin ass our PG and put a LOT of stock in Calderon. SO FAR PJ has taken a LOT of money and has done ZERO--he DID not try to tank. I wonder how many college games hes watched--my guess is hes watched more reruns of Seinfeld in one week than CBB games this year. He's right patience is key now(of course this is a change from the beginning of the season) but I am NOT down for 5 years of rebuilding--I do NOT buy into that. Melo is on this team hes our 22-24 point SF/PF--that is a piece. Fck the triangle---basically your saying w the triangle we cant draft or trade for certain talents---well you cant do that.

We need a LOT and the LAST thing we need is to trade melo for .30 like we traded ZACH Randolph David Lee etc... the same thing a few posters post here is the same thing posted about those guys--cant win with them. Melo is a piece--work with it shut up and do what you can to keep him healthy for the next 4 years. If they had any trepidation--I think they had time to talk about that before laying a no trade clause and 125 on him.

Yeah bottom line is you can't trade Melo. He has never been the problem. His personal record proves that. You can say what you want about him in the playoffs, but the same can be said for a lot of guys, chris paul etc. As far as leading winning teams, he's never been the problem. We need to just get some players. And Melo has proven he doesn't even need all-stars as help, just good role players who know their roles and compliment his scoring. That's it. Might not be the formula to winning a championship, but with that approach plus some luck in the draft and free agency you never know what can happen. A lot of it comes down to luck anyways. Luck like the spurs had having Robinson go down and winning the pick to select Duncan. Maybe we are due for some luck. Probably not, but you never know, we deserve it.

Knixkik wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Since his rookie year--hes has one losing season--last year

Before that he had 11 straight years of playing on winning teams and a regular season winning % of .600 To say that you cant win with melo makes 0 sense. Melo really is the only good player on this team when Amare is hurt. Its pretty simple EVERY other player on the Knicks scks--their terrible inconsistent. Are some of these new posters comparing Melo to Jordan? Then stop. Did Dolan make a bad trade getting Melo--YES--but we can make Melo part of the solution. By trading Melo like some purport--we will only acheive one thing--handing over a top 3 pick to Tonto next year. Pat Riley would never trade melo--thats not how he works.

Phil Jackson made a TERRIBLE TERRIBLE trade for Tyson/Calderon. He didnt take charge to say JR--hes done waived. He brought in these players. He signed J Smith for 3+mm traded for Acy. He accepted Prigs and Larkin ass our PG and put a LOT of stock in Calderon. SO FAR PJ has taken a LOT of money and has done ZERO--he DID not try to tank. I wonder how many college games hes watched--my guess is hes watched more reruns of Seinfeld in one week than CBB games this year. He's right patience is key now(of course this is a change from the beginning of the season) but I am NOT down for 5 years of rebuilding--I do NOT buy into that. Melo is on this team hes our 22-24 point SF/PF--that is a piece. Fck the triangle---basically your saying w the triangle we cant draft or trade for certain talents---well you cant do that.

We need a LOT and the LAST thing we need is to trade melo for .30 like we traded ZACH Randolph David Lee etc... the same thing a few posters post here is the same thing posted about those guys--cant win with them. Melo is a piece--work with it shut up and do what you can to keep him healthy for the next 4 years. If they had any trepidation--I think they had time to talk about that before laying a no trade clause and 125 on him.

Yeah bottom line is you can't trade Melo. He has never been the problem. His personal record proves that. You can say what you want about him in the playoffs, but the same can be said for a lot of guys, chris paul etc. As far as leading winning teams, he's never been the problem. We need to just get some players. And Melo has proven he doesn't even need all-stars as help, just good role players who know their roles and compliment his scoring. That's it. Might not be the formula to winning a championship, but with that approach plus some luck in the draft and free agency you never know what can happen. A lot of it comes down to luck anyways. Luck like the spurs had having Robinson go down and winning the pick to select Duncan. Maybe we are due for some luck. Probably not, but you never know, we deserve it.

Bonn1997 wrote:I went back the previous 8 years just for you Briggs. His teams have played .575 with him and .500 in the 76 games he's missed over those seasons. Yes, he does help his teams and thus deserves a spot on an NBA roster but he doesn't help nearly enough to take up almost 2 max contracts. That .075 improvement corresponds to about 6 wins a season. Earlier, you thought Dragic alone could add 11 wins in a third of a season! So you must think that 6 wins over an entire season is barely worth the MLE.
His value is greater than zero but we're getting only a couple of dimes of production on the dollar. A trade where we get 30 cents on the dollar is much better than keeping him for 15 cents on the dollar. Keep in mind that the best run teams will not merely be breaking even but will actually be the reverse: they'll be getting dollars of production on a few dimes. With Melo's salary taking up this much room, we're in too deep a hole, and it's only going to get worse as he progresses from his thirteenth through sixteenth seasons.

We do agree that the Tyson/Calderon trade was terrible though.

Bonn this post is somewhat absurd no? "His value is greater than zero" HMMM yes his value is greater than zero. Can you go back in your NBA search and tell me which other player in the NBA avg 25-7-3 45% on a team with a winning % close to .600 for 8 straight years in the west other than Tim Duncan? I'm not saying we CANNOT trade Melo--I never said that. I said the we JUST signed him to a 125mm$ contract a few months ago. What player has been traded after signing such a lucrative deal so quickly? Im just stating facts. People are saying you cant win with melo--but facts say thats way off. Facts say that when you sign a guy to a huge contract--you dont turn around and just trade him. His long and consistent big numbers on winning teams is somewhat unique in this league. I think it would be easier to go with melo and fit him in to a niche as a scoring forward as part of a team that trading him for less. I accept this season as terrible--all teams have them--we're just bad. UNLESS we can get a perfect type deal for Melo--its best to keep him for now. He's not the reason were 5-26 the other castoffs teammates are and poor coaching are the reasons.

BRIGGS wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I went back the previous 8 years just for you Briggs. His teams have played .575 with him and .500 in the 76 games he's missed over those seasons. Yes, he does help his teams and thus deserves a spot on an NBA roster but he doesn't help nearly enough to take up almost 2 max contracts. That .075 improvement corresponds to about 6 wins a season. Earlier, you thought Dragic alone could add 11 wins in a third of a season! So you must think that 6 wins over an entire season is barely worth the MLE.
His value is greater than zero but we're getting only a couple of dimes of production on the dollar. A trade where we get 30 cents on the dollar is much better than keeping him for 15 cents on the dollar. Keep in mind that the best run teams will not merely be breaking even but will actually be the reverse: they'll be getting dollars of production on a few dimes. With Melo's salary taking up this much room, we're in too deep a hole, and it's only going to get worse as he progresses from his thirteenth through sixteenth seasons.

We do agree that the Tyson/Calderon trade was terrible though.

Bonn this post is somewhat absurd no? "His value is greater than zero" HMMM yes his value is greater than zero. Can you go back in your NBA search and tell me which other player in the NBA avg 25-7-3 45% on a team with a winning % close to .600 for 8 straight years in the west other than Tim Duncan? I'm not saying we CANNOT trade Melo--I never said that. I said the we JUST signed him to a 125mm$ contract a few months ago. What player has been traded after signing such a lucrative deal so quickly? Im just stating facts. People are saying you cant win with melo--but facts say thats way off. Facts say that when you sign a guy to a huge contract--you dont turn around and just trade him. His long and consistent big numbers on winning teams is somewhat unique in this league. I think it would be easier to go with melo and fit him in to a niche as a scoring forward as part of a team that trading him for less. I accept this season as terrible--all teams have them--we're just bad. UNLESS we can get a perfect type deal for Melo--its best to keep him for now. He's not the reason were 5-26 the other castoffs teammates are and poor coaching are the reasons.