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arkrud
Posts: 32217 Alba Posts: 7 Joined: 8/31/2005 Member: #995 USA |
![]() I am looking at Rangers as a benchmark. Same owner, same organization, same pattern.
Team was ruined by starpunching and mismanagement and became irrelevant from 1994 to 2004. Then Dolan stepped out and culture change begins. It took 10 years to create a contender and now powerhouse. We used extensive development program, smart drafting, traded for star players and get one who was a fit (Nash) after 3-4 tries. Different type of coaches were brought in for different stages of team development. Organization stick to the plan and ignored crybaby fan types. Now we also have best fans of the world. If Knicks stay the course I expect team to contend in 8-10 years depending on luck and commitment. "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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Bonn1997
Posts: 58654 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 2/2/2004 Member: #581 USA |
![]() newyorknewyork wrote:TripleThreat wrote:BRIGGS wrote: Triplethreat clearly put a lot of thought into that reply and I all I see is pretty mild criticism of Briggs' ideas. There are enough posts with name-calling and other crap that should be more alarming than anything he just wrote. |
Vmart
Posts: 31800 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 5/23/2002 Member: #247 USA |
![]() Papabear don't sweat it next year the Knicks start their move towards playoffs. A good draft pick and some solid FAs and maybe a trade or two and Knicks are right back in the thick of things.
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Nalod
Posts: 71329 Alba Posts: 155 Joined: 12/24/2003 Member: #508 USA |
![]() TripleThreat wrote:BRIGGS wrote: Well done!!!!! A culture of building and development. Not starphuching to put a band aid on a previous failure. Phil might just be an advisor beyond his contract when we succeed. |
VCoug
Posts: 24935 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 3/28/2007 Member: #1406 |
![]() The reason other teams can make big trades and we can't is because:
A. We have almost nobody on this team that would play regularly for a good team and almost everyone is overpaid B. We treat draft picks as if they're worthless and have done so for well over a decade now. We constantly trade 1st and 2nd round picks in bad trades when we don't have to. There's literally no reason why we should have had to given up two 2nd round picks to acquire Camby, a 2nd round pick and the draft rights to Kostas Papanikoloau to acquire Felton, and a 1st and two 2nds to acquire Bargnani; Portland and Toronto didn't even want those guys, we could've offered them next to nothing and still acquired them. I've already outlined my best-case, somewhat realistic scenario for this Summer: draft a superstar big with our lottery pick and sign both Jimmy Butler and Tobias Harris. In this scenario I think we could be contenders by 2016-17 at the earliest. Of course, I don't think this is all that likely. I think Chicago matches any offer for Butler and unless we massively overpay Harris, like full max overpay, Orlando matches any offers for him. We end up striking out in free agency and only sign Al Jefferson at best. We barely improve over next season, Melo gets fed up and demands a trade, and we end up getting back pennies on the dollar for what we spent on him (think Toronto trading Vince Carter for Alonzo Mourning, Eric Williams, Aaron Williams, and two protected 1st round picks) (and we probably wouldn't even get the two picks). At that point I would hope that we can finally commit to a full rebuild which would take at least another 4 or 5 years to do correctly. Now the joy of my world is in Zion
How beautiful if nothing more
Than to wait at Zion's door
I've never been in love like this before
Now let me pray to keep you from
The perils that will surely come
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newyorknewyork
Posts: 30166 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 1/16/2004 Member: #541 |
![]() Bonn1997 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:TripleThreat wrote:BRIGGS wrote: The general principal of what he wrote I agree with in terms of building it over multiple yrs time and the time it will take to develop. What I don't like was that he quoted only part of what Briggs actually said. Then went on to challenge Briggs possibilities and fandom when Briggs clearly stated "we have to have a lot of things go our way and that is unknown right now". "If it hits right then 2yrs". "If it hits right" includes landing OK4 and him being a stud early. Signing one stud and mutiple other pieces over a 2 yr span. None of these things in Briggs post were said to be expected but only possibilities. Clearly he is stating best possible case scenario but I don't see Briggs claiming he expects these things to all happen like TT was trying to insinuate. https://vote.nba.com/en Vote for your Knicks.
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Bonn1997
Posts: 58654 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 2/2/2004 Member: #581 USA |
![]() newyorknewyork wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:TripleThreat wrote:BRIGGS wrote: I think his point is that Briggs doesn't realize *how* unlikely it is for that path to work out, though. You start throwing in several things that each have low but reasonable probabilities and soon you're at a path that has a 1 in a thousand chance of working. |
arkrud
Posts: 32217 Alba Posts: 7 Joined: 8/31/2005 Member: #995 USA |
![]() VCoug wrote:The reason other teams can make big trades and we can't is because: The picks were included to show ourselves (Dolan and MSG bureaucrats) that we are getting some good valuable players. "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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