arkrud wrote:So we need good players to attract good players...
Chicken and egg... and chicken is running without the head...

Yes we do. What we have currently aren't good

NardDogNation wrote:Stephenson might be had for an expirer. I'd personally make the move but don't think that we should be looking to win this season. And I'd need Cody Zeller or Bismack Biyombo as insurance for the deal. Neither are anything great but they are prospects that may get better down the road. That seems like a reasonable request with Indiana demanding a first round pick.

This might be one of the buy low trades an organization takes a risk on. The problem is the knicks would need to unload JR and I'm not sure Charlotte would do it. The guy is still rebounding and passing like a champ. If they the Hornets would take an injured JR I would do it for Lance and a second, ideally two one 2015 and one future pick.

Lance Stephanson? This is the guy thats gonna turn it around? And they should give us Cody Zeller as "Insurance"???

What is the proposed trade BTW? Shump and JR? What does the Hornets actually need?

Knicks1969 wrote:Look folks, stop kidding yourselves about not adding to the cap due to free agency next season. Phil has to pull the trigger on a couple of players to better the talent level currently on the roster. The Knicks are in dire need for two way players; specifically, at the front court that can rebound the ball. We've lost many games because we are unable to score and stop the opposing teams.

It is imperative we begging to add as many SMART talented players as soon as possible, because that is our only way to attract GREAT top tier talents to WANT to come to NY.

VCoug wrote:Our best bet to get a good two-way player is to tank and draft Karl Anthony Towns. Of course, if we had made a better Tyson trade we could have more two-way players or be in a better position to acquire them... not to mention if we had at least attempted to work out a S&T with Melo to Chicago.

If Phil does make trades he should definitely try and get picks. Keep as much cap space as possible going forward. If no one is offering picks then stand pat take everything into the off season.

Bonn1997 wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

VCoug wrote:Our best bet to get a good two-way player is to tank and draft Karl Anthony Towns. Of course, if we had made a better Tyson trade we could have more two-way players or be in a better position to acquire them... not to mention if we had at least attempted to work out a S&T with Melo to Chicago.

Yeah, if we had done a more reasonable Tyson trade and had traded Melo by the deadline last year, we could have many highly valuable long-term assets right now. And we probably wouldn't be worse than .200 anyway!

First off you're not trading Melo by the deadline last year

That was when Tyson should have been traded[probably had peak value then]

Trading Melo at the deadline would have produced nothing

Because he was an impending free man[who'd only play for a handful of teams]

Phil definitely should have dumped him this summer to his choice destination Chicago

I'm sure you could have gotten *something* for Melo, even if it was not much. I did want him traded way before then but wasn't rewinding the clock that far in this discussion.

Sure I did too, but always best to trade when value may be at an apex

No need to settle if you don't have to, especially a team such as ours

Who needs absolute peak value for what we have

Nalod wrote:
No choice but to trade? Why? Cuz change is automatically an improvement? Cuz fans are angry at losing?
Somehow its our god given mecca right to not have a lottery pick?

Lance Stephanson? This is the guy thats gonna turn it around? And they should give us Cody Zeller as "Insurance"???

What is the proposed trade BTW? Shump and JR? What does the Hornets actually need?

Because we have too many FAs on the roster whom will not be around next season. There is no way they will buy into a system that will hurt their individual play making and reduce their worth. You ever wonder why when the ball gets in Amare's hand he only looks to score? It is because he is working for the next contract. Teams around the league mostly care for guys who can score.