VCoug wrote:Serious question. Is Waiters even good? Like, at all? He certainly hasn't done anything of not his first two seasons and he's been brutal this year. Last season he shot 45% on 2fg and 36% on 3fg. And his advanced stats are atrocious. His career high in WS/48 is 0.037 and his WS/48 this season is -0.024. His career high in ORating is 99. His career high in TS% is 50% and is currently 42%. His career high eFG% is 47% and is currently 39%. And he's making a guaranteed $5M+ next season so it eats into more of our cap space.

Doesn't he have a reputation as being kind of dumb? Does this not concern anyone?

Dumb plus bad-tempered in NYC as a Knick hardly sounds like a recipe for flourishing. We're not the Indiana Pacers who can rehab Lance.

Just asking. Sounds like a potential gain asset-wise, but hardly a character builder or necessarily a team building type of player.

WE’RE WAIT-ING

Dion Waiters has been linked to the Knicks for two seasons now and the latest proposal being talked about is the Cavs guard being dealt for Shumpert and Samuel Dalembert. However, a Knicks source says the deal “makes no sense for us.”

CrushAlot wrote:Here's Isola's take:

WE’RE WAIT-ING

Dion Waiters has been linked to the Knicks for two seasons now and the latest proposal being talked about is the Cavs guard being dealt for Shumpert and Samuel Dalembert. However, a Knicks source says the deal “makes no sense for us.”

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/isola-upside-knicks-losing-article-1.2036260

Who is this source, if this source is Phil

I'm telling you this year may drag on longer then we'd prefer

There isn't a move we can make

If we can't make this move

But where? How? And what do the Cavaliers need to look for?

Two things: a defensive center and a defensive wing that can hit three-pointers, the latter often being affectionately referred to as a 3-And-D player.

It’s more difficult for the Cavs to make a trade than it seems though. Most of their intriguing pieces are signed to deals that make them un-tradable. That leaves very few options, especially after the most recent deal that Anderson Varejao signed.

But here’s one that may pique some interest:
•New York Knicks receive ◦Tristan Thompson
◦Dion Waiters
◦2015 1st round pick (via Miami)

•Cleveland Cavaliers receive ◦Samuel Dalembert
◦Iman Shumpert
◦Arnett Moultrie

Now give this a few moments to sink in.

Why it’s good for New York:
•Thompson is a good rebounder who’s better than that injury-ridden Italian they still have on the roster
•Both guys they’d be getting are young (23 and 22 respectively)
•A starting lineup of Amar’e Stoudemire, Thompson, Carmelo Anthony, J.R. Smith and Jose Calderon could be fun
•They won’t be a lot worse defensively
•Their record is 4-10, they might like to explore options
•THEY’D GET A DRAFT PICK!!!
•Dalembert is 33 years old
•Gets rid of Moultrie’s contract

Why it’s good for Cleveland:
•They get a good defensive wing in Shumpert
•Opponents have only scored 40.4 percent of the time when being defended by Dalembert at the rim
•No more antics from Waiters
•They’d be closer to winning now
•This would push them to immediate favorites in the East
•LeBron would be happy
•Blatt could stagger the Big Three’s minutes more
•Rotations would likely be cemented quicker
•A starting lineup of Dalembert, Love, James, Shumpert and Irving would be fun
•Anderson Varejao gets more rest

In a perfect world, this is the sort of thing that would go down. And if things don’t get better over the coming months, then perhaps it will. But until then, it’s difficult to say for certain what this team will become with the way it is.

This is just one option, Cavs. But if you want things like this to stop, then maybe you should consider it.

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mreinman wrote:sure ... lets go get one of the worst players in the league because we think we see talent.

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:sure ... lets go get one of the worst players in the league because we think we see talent.

He is very talented. He played on the usa select team this past summer. He is a bit of a head case but he is also young and comes at a very low cost. I think you have to hope he figures things out and benefits from a new situation/environment.

he makes 3.5 million, no?

he is worth the minimum.