My suggestion

Calderon Shumpert and Dalembart to New Orleans for Jrue Holiday and Jimmer Freddette. Jrue has not fit in there--they have way too many ballhandlers. On this team Calderon would fit nicely. he can hit the three and disperse the ball to Davis Andersen and can share ballhandling with Tyreke. I look at New Orleans and say what is wrong with them--well the pieces dont fit. While I would be adding to our cap I think Jrue's upside beyond his play now as the PRIMARY PG is worth the extra 3.5 mm$ It immediately gives us a guy who can play D get to the rim but has all the goods to go up to that 18-20 pt 6-7 assist 4 rebound level. This is a solid realistic trade for both teams where cap space is even talent is reasonable both ways and seems like a win win.
Both teams need a boost

BRIGGS wrote:I just made a post on why i think Calderon is not for this team. Hes really a 7th man back up on a good team. A guy who can play a system who can shoot who will do his thing buoyed by players who give him space. That is not here BUT I think New Orleans could REALLY use him.

My suggestion

Calderon Shumpert and Dalembart to New Orleans for Jrue Holiday and Jimmer Freddette. Jrue has not fit in there--they have way too many ballhandlers. On this team Calderon would fit nicely. he can hit the three and disperse the ball to Davis Andersen and can share ballhandling with Tyreke. I look at New Orleans and say what is wrong with them--well the pieces dont fit. While I would be adding to our cap I think Jrue's upside beyond his play now as the PRIMARY PG is worth the extra 3.5 mm$ It immediately gives us a guy who can play D get to the rim but has all the goods to go up to that 18-20 pt 6-7 assist 4 rebound level. This is a solid realistic trade for both teams where cap space is even talent is reasonable both ways and seems like a win win.
Both teams need a boost

I would sign-up for this. Holiday is a good player. Tremendous upside. You really think NO would part with him after what they gave up to get him? Wouldn't it make sense for them to try and dump Evans? Agreed with being Calderon great as a 7th guy on many teams.

franco12 wrote:Who do the Pelicans use as their starting PG? They do this maybe if they think it helps them improve their draft position!

They use Calderon. Calderon is a better fit there. Their problem is pieces dont mix and they are capped out. Calderon is the correct piece for NO.

Now if only he were also a Ninja assassin, too.

Nalod wrote:I like trades that concentrate a few non essencial pieces into a starter talent.
Evans is a big dude which Phil prefers.
Not sure what his long term contract status is.
At the same time not sure if they want to resign Iman either?

My take on Calderone is:

1. Just getting his legs under him.
2. Skill set is preferable to be catch and shoot.

So I don't see him as the primary instigater in the triangle but as an option. This team after 20 games does not have its role players in place.

I don't extropolate the current losing beyond this season and thus would be cautious about making any moves this season. A small improvement in our wins and loss can be the difference of us getting another franchise player or a chandler frye-Jordan Hill-Shump type players. Good players but not franchise cornerstones. A top 3 pick can get you a 10 year stud.

I get Briggs motivation to watch a team lose games and think of ways to improve but if they don't propel the franchise significantly I'd just as soon ride this season out. I would not mind taking in picks and stashed assets so if the Pelicans want to dump Evans for yootier assets we can do that with our salary cap.

We don't know what Phil is thinking. He might prefer to sell assets for this level of thinking and enact some sign and trades in the off season. I don't know. I just get a common sense thought that He don't come just for the money, and any instant gradification moves don't bring us that much up the contending ladder. Phil is a prideful egomaniac. Where Isiah was using leverage to aquire talent Phil is installing a system that requires many things to come together.

Patience is one component that is the hardest. Dolans team increases in value regardless of winning. Imagine the long term branding effect if they can win a championship after 41 years of not!!!!!!!!

I agree with what you say to this point. I don't think Im willing to do any trade until the deadline. That would "likely" give us enough losses in the bank that even playing .500 the rest of the way would not matter. I think we will go 20 under and at that point you will have enough ping pong balls. EVEN if this move was made and we improved I dont see it really altering our chances at a top 3 position in a material way. We would still have too many holes but we'd be improving the tam while on the way to the lottery. This also opens up playing time for Wear and Hardaway on a nightly basis.

Nalod--in the 29 year history of the lottery--the team with the most ping pong balls have won 3 times. Same with the number 2 position 3 times. Position 3 was the most 7 times. Teams who have the 4th or better record have won it 16 times. All in all teams with position 1-3 have won the lottery 13 times and 4 or worse 16 times. I really do not see this club every being more than position 5-6 max even with trades.

BRIGGS wrote:

Nalod wrote:I like trades that concentrate a few non essencial pieces into a starter talent.
Evans is a big dude which Phil prefers.
Not sure what his long term contract status is.
At the same time not sure if they want to resign Iman either?

My take on Calderone is:

1. Just getting his legs under him.
2. Skill set is preferable to be catch and shoot.

So I don't see him as the primary instigater in the triangle but as an option. This team after 20 games does not have its role players in place.

I don't extropolate the current losing beyond this season and thus would be cautious about making any moves this season. A small improvement in our wins and loss can be the difference of us getting another franchise player or a chandler frye-Jordan Hill-Shump type players. Good players but not franchise cornerstones. A top 3 pick can get you a 10 year stud.

I get Briggs motivation to watch a team lose games and think of ways to improve but if they don't propel the franchise significantly I'd just as soon ride this season out. I would not mind taking in picks and stashed assets so if the Pelicans want to dump Evans for yootier assets we can do that with our salary cap.

We don't know what Phil is thinking. He might prefer to sell assets for this level of thinking and enact some sign and trades in the off season. I don't know. I just get a common sense thought that He don't come just for the money, and any instant gradification moves don't bring us that much up the contending ladder. Phil is a prideful egomaniac. Where Isiah was using leverage to aquire talent Phil is installing a system that requires many things to come together.

Patience is one component that is the hardest. Dolans team increases in value regardless of winning. Imagine the long term branding effect if they can win a championship after 41 years of not!!!!!!!!

I agree with what you say to this point. I don't think Im willing to do any trade until the deadline. That would "likely" give us enough losses in the bank that even playing .500 the rest of the way would not matter. I think we will go 20 under and at that point you will have enough ping pong balls. EVEN if this move was made and we improved I dont see it really altering our chances at a top 3 position in a material way. We would still have too many holes but we'd be improving the tam while on the way to the lottery. This also opens up playing time for Wear and Hardaway on a nightly basis.

Nalod--in the 29 year history of the lottery--the team with the most ping pong balls have won 3 times. Same with the number 2 position 3 times. Position 3 was the most 7 times. Teams who have the 4th or better record have won it 16 times. All in all teams with position 1-3 have won the lottery 13 times and 4 or worse 16 times. I really do not see this club every being more than position 5-6 max even with trades.

But you failed to see that the team with worst record is at least guaranteed the 4th pick no matter what.

Nalod wrote:Top 4 gives you 72.4 chance of top pick.

Odds are against everyone, but someone gets it.

1. 250 combinations, 25.0% chance of receiving the #1 pick
2. 199 combinations, 19.9% chance
3. 156 combinations, 15.6% chance
4. 119 combinations, 11.9% chance
5. 88 combinations, 8.8% chance
6. 63 combinations, 6.3% chance
7. 43 combinations, 4.3% chance
8. 28 combinations, 2.8% chance
9. 17 combinations, 1.7% chance
10. 11 combinations, 1.1% chance
11. 8 combinations, 0.8% chance
12. 7 combinations, 0.7% chance
13. 6 combinations, 0.6% chance
14. 5 combinations, 0.5% chance