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Bonn1997
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What's the main reason the Knicks have gone from .450 to .250?
Losing Tyson Chandler
Replacing Woodson with Fisher
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Bonn1997
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12/5/2014  7:50 AM
All probably matter but I think losing Tyson was the biggest factor. I'm curious what others pick.
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12/5/2014  8:05 AM
None of the above.

Okafor and Townes.
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12/5/2014  8:23 AM
JrZyHuStLa wrote:None of the above.

Okafor and Townes.

I think you nailed it dude
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12/5/2014  8:30 AM
JrZyHuStLa wrote:None of the above.

Okafor and Townes.


I don't get it. Are you saying the team is trying to lose? That's certainly not the case.
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12/5/2014  8:34 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:None of the above.

Okafor and Townes.


I don't get it. Are you saying the team is trying to lose? That's certainly not the case.
would you say this team has been coached with the goal of winning as many games as possible early on?

They are treating this season like summer league. Mixing rotations, getting adjusted to the new system, giving everyone a chance on any given night.

Yes... if given the chance to win they want that. Last night obviously showed that. Amare was diving the on the floor. Melo was trying to will the ball into the basket on a night nothing would fall for him. THjr attacking. JR played very hard. It was a great game to watch... really enjoyable. But no... they wont tell the players to tank but you can coach to tank without it being obvious. Its like an instructional league. They really dont care about the score. Thats what I see

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12/5/2014  8:39 AM
fishmike wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:None of the above.

Okafor and Townes.


I don't get it. Are you saying the team is trying to lose? That's certainly not the case.
would you say this team has been coached with the goal of winning as many games as possible early on?

Yes, I can't see why else Melo would be playing upper 30s MPG (not counting the game he left early) and not getting any real time to recover from injuries. When you have a bunch of D league players, of course all the rotation changes will look bad. I think you're just trying to put a positive spin on a nightmare roster.
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12/5/2014  8:56 AM
Melo is being mismanaged from a coaching, usage and health perspective. That is partly Fisher, but it is also Phil. Sometime does not compute.

If the only explanation is they're scared they will flop in free agency if we can't win games this year, that is not going to do them much good if they blow out Melo's back and really set him back. The season has to be sacrificed to a longer term vision. If they damage their expensive player, then this franchise still resides in the Valley of the Stupid. Phil is playing with fire.

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12/5/2014  9:03 AM
i have adjusted my position from earlier-- long before the season started i felt the knicks HAD TO make the playoffs if the goal was to attract high-quality free agents. now i think the goal has to be to look like there is a plan and a path manifesting on the court regardless of how many wins or losses.

the knicks are in beaucoup trouble if, after december 15th, there has been no personnel movement and the coach continues to reward players who are neither defending nor properly playing within the triangle offense.

fisher cannot afford to coach between two stools.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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12/5/2014  9:16 AM
Money attracts free agents.
The chance to win.
Melo, Stud Rookie and a free agent gets you the trio needed.
THjr was on the floor at the end with Larkin. Thats letting toots learn.
JR was benched after going stupidly alone.

I think the goal is to win with Yoots and within the system. It comes first. Stat has good spacing without Tyson.
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12/5/2014  9:18 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:None of the above.

Okafor and Townes.


I don't get it. Are you saying the team is trying to lose? That's certainly not the case.
would you say this team has been coached with the goal of winning as many games as possible early on?

Yes, I can't see why else Melo would be playing upper 30s MPG (not counting the game he left early) and not getting any real time to recover from injuries. When you have a bunch of D league players, of course all the rotation changes will look bad. I think you're just trying to put a positive spin on a nightmare roster.

Doesn't matter if they are trying to lose on purpose or not. They aren't good enough to win consistently.

You would be the first person to be upset that the Knicks are stuck in mediocrity winning enough games to make the playoffs but not enough playoff games to contend. So here we are actually sucking really bad with our lotto pick in hand, regardless if on purpose or not. And you seem more driven to write Tyson Chandler secret love notes.

Unless Phil Jackson makes short sighted season saving type trade that ruins our chances at a high lotto pick or gives up future assets. Then dropping down from 450 to 250 is the best case scenario for the long term regardless if its on purpose or not.

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12/5/2014  9:24 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/5/2014  9:25 AM
newyorknewyork wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:None of the above.

Okafor and Townes.


I don't get it. Are you saying the team is trying to lose? That's certainly not the case.
would you say this team has been coached with the goal of winning as many games as possible early on?

Yes, I can't see why else Melo would be playing upper 30s MPG (not counting the game he left early) and not getting any real time to recover from injuries. When you have a bunch of D league players, of course all the rotation changes will look bad. I think you're just trying to put a positive spin on a nightmare roster.

Doesn't matter if they are trying to lose on purpose or not. They aren't good enough to win consistently.

You would be the first person to be upset that the Knicks are stuck in mediocrity winning enough games to make the playoffs but not enough playoff games to contend. So here we are actually sucking really bad with our lotto pick in hand, regardless if on purpose or not. And you seem more driven to write Tyson Chandler secret love notes.

Unless Phil Jackson makes short sighted season saving type trade that ruins our chances at a high lotto pick or gives up future assets. Then dropping down from 450 to 250 is the best case scenario for the long term regardless if its on purpose or not.


That's not remotely true. I've been saying I'd like to have explored trading Tyson in a worthwhile deal before the deadline. A top pick with bad decision-makers is a good way to stay stuck in mediocrity actually.
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12/5/2014  9:42 AM
Also - we're on pace with where we started last season - off by one win through the first twenty.
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12/5/2014  9:44 AM
fishmike wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:None of the above.

Okafor and Townes.

I think you nailed it dude

+1 - I was initially against the people claiming this season would be a tank job. I was convinced after the Orlando game. They are managing to lose games. This is actually a great idea. Will expedite the turnaround. I'm all in on the tank.
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12/5/2014  9:46 AM
franco12 wrote:Also - we're on pace with where we started last season - off by one win through the first twenty.

Yeah, but Tyson was injured then. So that actually helps explain that the team is about .300 without and above .500 with him.
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12/5/2014  9:52 AM
Not infusing this team with enough youth

And/Or playing our younger players more
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12/5/2014  9:53 AM
Keep in mind the .450 win team played closer to a .250 team

The majority of last season, you could .450 was flukish
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12/5/2014  9:54 AM
F500ONE wrote:Keep in mind the .450 win team played closer to a .250 team

The majority of last season, you could .450 was flukish


How does a .450 team play like a .250 team? Did the score-keepers make a lot of mistakes?
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12/5/2014  9:57 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
F500ONE wrote:Keep in mind the .450 win team played closer to a .250 team

The majority of last season, you could .450 was flukish


How does a .450 team play like a .250 team? Did the score-keepers make a lot of mistakes?

Haha. They actually lost a crazy amount of 1 possession games, so this really could have been higher. I would prefer .250 to .450. .450 is the worst thing you can do in this league.
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12/5/2014  9:59 AM
Main reason is that they suck.
Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
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12/5/2014  10:00 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/5/2014  10:02 AM
newyorknewyork wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:None of the above.

Okafor and Townes.


I don't get it. Are you saying the team is trying to lose? That's certainly not the case.
would you say this team has been coached with the goal of winning as many games as possible early on?

Yes, I can't see why else Melo would be playing upper 30s MPG (not counting the game he left early) and not getting any real time to recover from injuries. When you have a bunch of D league players, of course all the rotation changes will look bad. I think you're just trying to put a positive spin on a nightmare roster.

Doesn't matter if they are trying to lose on purpose or not. They aren't good enough to win consistently.

You would be the first person to be upset that the Knicks are stuck in mediocrity winning enough games to make the playoffs but not enough playoff games to contend. So here we are actually sucking really bad with our lotto pick in hand, regardless if on purpose or not. And you seem more driven to write Tyson Chandler secret love notes.

Unless Phil Jackson makes short sighted season saving type trade that ruins our chances at a high lotto pick or gives up future assets. Then dropping down from 450 to 250 is the best case scenario for the long term regardless if its on purpose or not.

This is my biggest fear. Short sighted trade. I pray to God phil has accepted tanking. Hopefully Fish is correct in tanking without looking obvious by playing everyone with no rhymn or reason
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