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NardDogNation
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11/23/2014  10:45 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/23/2014  10:46 PM
On the same "lets do a total rebuild" theme, we should consider moving Melo to the Celtics. The team is stocked with young, REDUNDANT talent, which- given Ainge's track record- will be parlayed into a trade for a major star. With Rondo already in tow, Melo and a bunch of cap space, I would have to think that the Celtics would be on their way to re-establishing themselves as a contender. All they'd need is a credible big man down low and they'd be well on their way. And if reports are correct, that big man could be Marc Gasol who the Celtics are reportedly interested in signing.

From the Knicks perspective, I'd love it if we could acquire Marcus Smart as the centerpiece of the trade. The guy looks like he'll be a great player for years to come and could be expendable because of Rondo. In an ideal world, I'd look to clear their cupboard of remaining young talent that includes: Jared Sullinger, James Young, Evan Turner and Tyler Zeller along with a few of the 13 first round picks they have in the next 4 years. But, since that isn't going to happen, I'd only push for their unprotected 2015 pick, Jared Sullinger (who'd be expendable with Melo there), Turner and Zeller. Thoughts?

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11/23/2014  10:54 PM
I can't imagine Melo agreeing to a trade to a ****ty Boston team.
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11/23/2014  11:05 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/23/2014  11:05 PM
They have Rondo, a legitimate star. Who do we have that compares? And they have way more tools to build a team e.g. 13 picks in the next 4 seasons, cap space and one of the better coaches in the league.
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11/23/2014  11:06 PM
VCoug wrote:I can't imagine Melo agreeing to a trade to a ****ty Boston team.

First thought to enter my mind as well. Most trade scenarios probably go nowhere fast, because Melo doesn't have to agree to anything. He's in NYC where he wants to be, so unless you're proposing to send him to a team that will be contending immediately, its just unlikely. If Chicago wouldn't do it before, why'd they do us any favors now and take on max salary is improbably. I don't know if there is any team that could absorb and justify Melo's contract that he'd also want to go to.

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11/23/2014  11:21 PM
It's hard to really see ANY trade involving Melo to a team that isn't contending. He's not gonna agree to it and why should he? Melo is good as far as he's concerned. He's getting his money and really no pressure in a throw away year with low expectations.
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11/23/2014  11:34 PM
nixluva wrote:It's hard to really see ANY trade involving Melo to a team that isn't contending. He's not gonna agree to it and why should he? Melo is good as far as he's concerned. He's getting his money and really no pressure in a throw away year with low expectations.

Also, his son likes his school and his wife likes new York. I think Melo is willing to give it a year.

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11/24/2014  12:00 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/24/2014  12:07 AM
TripleThreat wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:On the same "lets do a total rebuild" theme, we should consider moving Melo to the Celtics. The team is stocked with young, REDUNDANT talent, which- given Ainge's track record- will be parlayed into a trade for a major star.\Thoughts?


http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/BOS/2015.html


The Melo No Trade Clause would cause lots of problems in a trade.

I think the best the Knicks could do is

Gerald Wallace ( bad contract)
Brandon Bass ( expiring)
Vitor Faverini ( filler)
Some other filler

With headlining
James Young and a couple of first rounders.

The more garbage in contracts you take, the more likely you can get more picks.

If the Celtics could keep Rondo, Melo, Bradley, Sullinger, Olynyk, Smart, I think they would do it. They'd have to retain enough to have a chance to contend for Melo to waive his No Trade Clause.

I also think you'd have to sell La La on the idea that Boston is a vibrant place for making feature films ( The Town, The Departed, etc) while not having the draw of NY or LA.

Is that a good trade? Depends on what you think of James Young ( kids is super raw, has a lot of talent, but raw) and what kind of picks Boston would give up.

I don't see them giving up Smart. He's Rondo insurance and his defense is NBA pro ready right now. I also think Boston would want Shumpert in the deal ( i.e. a Smart, Bradley, Shumpert, Rondo defensive set would actually be pretty tough) Sullinger IIRC has knee issues, not right now, but legacy knee problems.

Doable? Maybe.

Knicks would have to take a lot of garbage though to get picks and a young guy with upside.

There is no reason to trade Melo if all you get is the garbage you mentioned. What would be the Knicks' incentive? James Young figures to be little more than a role player (albeit a good one) and we'd be taking on Gerald Wallace's deal for that? The latter is one of the biggest net negative assets in the league! And what would a rebuilding team do with Jeff Green? Brandon Bass? etc? We are, after all, trading one of the best players in the game that is still in his prime? If 32 year old Ray Allen got a no.5 pick once upon a time, I don't move Melo for anything less (i.e. Marcus Smart), especially since Gerald Wallace has to be involved.

And if you're trading for Melo, that means you're committing to re-signing Rondo. And if you're committing for Rondo, why do you need to keep Smart? You can't expect him or his agent to stand idly by and allow Smart to remain a bench player for his career. Not sure why he needs to be insurance for Rondo anyway; Rondo has been playing very well and has shown no residual effects from the only major injury of his career. If you check his numbers, he is averaging damn near a triple double and shooting lights out. He is clearly back to form; possibly better.

As for Lala, Boston is only a 40 or so minute flight from NY or a 4 hour drive. That's an easy commute when you're a multi-millionaire. I don't even think that anything would change in their day-to-day, all things considered.

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11/24/2014  12:06 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
nixluva wrote:It's hard to really see ANY trade involving Melo to a team that isn't contending. He's not gonna agree to it and why should he? Melo is good as far as he's concerned. He's getting his money and really no pressure in a throw away year with low expectations.

Also, his son likes his school and his wife likes new York. I think Melo is willing to give it a year.

As a Knick fan, would you want to give it a year and risk injuring the only asset we possess?

As for Lala and son, Boston is just a 40 minute flight or a 4 hour drive. They are multi-millionaires and could easily make that work.

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11/24/2014  12:09 AM
nixluva wrote:It's hard to really see ANY trade involving Melo to a team that isn't contending. He's not gonna agree to it and why should he? Melo is good as far as he's concerned. He's getting his money and really no pressure in a throw away year with low expectations.

Are we contending? Because right now Boston is a better team and has more assets available to build a winner. Add to the fact that Danny Ainge has already built a champion and Brad Stevens is emerging as one of the better coaches in the league (better than Fisher at the very least), I think it becomes an easy argument that Boston outclasses us in every sense. So why wouldn't he prefer the Celtics and their rich history to us?

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11/24/2014  12:11 AM
NardDogNation wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
nixluva wrote:It's hard to really see ANY trade involving Melo to a team that isn't contending. He's not gonna agree to it and why should he? Melo is good as far as he's concerned. He's getting his money and really no pressure in a throw away year with low expectations.

Also, his son likes his school and his wife likes new York. I think Melo is willing to give it a year.

As a Knick fan, would you want to give it a year and risk injuring the only asset we possess?

As for Lala and son, Boston is just a 40 minute flight or a 4 hour drive. They are multi-millionaires and could easily make that work.

I don't think melo would accept a trade to Boston this year. I was just listing some of the factors that would keep him in NT.

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11/24/2014  12:20 AM
NardDogNation wrote:
nixluva wrote:It's hard to really see ANY trade involving Melo to a team that isn't contending. He's not gonna agree to it and why should he? Melo is good as far as he's concerned. He's getting his money and really no pressure in a throw away year with low expectations.

Are we contending? Because right now Boston is a better team and has more assets available to build a winner. Add to the fact that Danny Ainge has already built a champion and Brad Stevens is emerging as one of the better coaches in the league (better than Fisher at the very least), I think it becomes an easy argument that Boston outclasses us in every sense. So why wouldn't he prefer the Celtics and their rich history to us?

Is Boston contending? They're 4-8, after 25-57 last season, and we're 4-10. From Melo's point of view he'd be thinking, "What's the point?" Any Melo trade has to start with a list of teams he'd be willing to go to and that list, I would imagine, contains only teams that are currently above .500. Looking at the current standings, and having at least an idea of what Melo seems to be looking for, I would think the only teams he's willing to accept a trade to are Chicago, LA Clippers, Washington, maybe Golden State, maybe Houston, maybe Cleveland and I think that's it.

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11/24/2014  7:54 AM
Not a month into the season and we already decided that he can't be a part of the triangle?
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11/24/2014  11:12 AM
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Nalod wrote:Not a month into the season and we already decided that he can't be a part of the triangle?


I think many fans have decided that Carmelo Anthony is a DEPRECIATING ASSET.
No different than when you buy a brand new car off the lot, and then watch it's actual value plummet the minute you sign the contract and leave the dealer lot. Except the Knicks didn't get a brand new car, they paid a brand new car plus more price for a used car. Denver got the benefit of all of Melo's cost controlled years.

Several years ago, the Knicks might have gotten a nice Taj Gibson/Jimmy Butler package, before the Bulls traded off Deng. They might have been able to get a package centered around Chandler Parsons before he signed with the Mavericks. There were various trade scenarios when Melo didn't have a No Trade Clause, was younger and didn't have this coach killer/can't deal with team mates in conflict/keeps saying stupid things in the media millstone around his neck.

1) He spent most of his career out of shape. That always catches up to a player eventually.

2) He is poor mix of don't care/don't try/don't understand on defense. If you can't even defend your own weight in the NBA, as you age, your value plummets, even if you have a marketable skill set ( see Ray Allen)

3) He's horrible in the press

4) He offers zero leadership

5) He has established a reputation as a coach killer.

6) Team mates who can actually help the team win, he's driven off the franchise

7) His desire to get paid first and foremost has compromised his team's ability to build a strong roster around him

8) Instead of eating, drinking, living the game ( not everyone can be as consumed as Peyton Manning and Michael Jordan), he clearly sees his basketball career as a means to an end and nothing else.

9) He doesn't move well off the ball, he has poor shot selection, he has limited court vision/savvy as a passer, he's generally a low BB IQ player.

10) He has shown little to no propensity to thrive in a team basketball system/environment.

He's a great one on one player who offers lethal offense and can create his own shot. He'd be a great sixth man or hired gunner for a team needed an offensive push. It's a valuable skill set, but one that has limited utility when discussing the qualities needed for a "franchise player"

He's a poor fit for the current state of the franchise ( he makes the Knicks a treadmill team, he's set to play for a team ready to contend now, to amass the assets needed to build a team around him, Melo will be out of his prime and at the end of his current contract, and that's if the Knicks do every single thing right from now to the end of said contract)

As each day passes, his trade value diminishes. The Knicks holding on to him is like the Cowboys holding onto Herschel Walker a few more years than they did and then trying to trade him to the Vikings.

All his negative intangibles become more highlighted as Melo gets older, this is true for all players who other NBA players don't want to play with, not if they have a choice ( i.e. Kobe Bryant and Dwight Howard)

"Better to get rid of a player a year too early than a year too late" - Bill Walsh.

This is the sad state of our fan base. Most cities would embrace a star player in their prime as just that. We view our's as a depreciating asset.

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11/24/2014  11:18 AM
TripleThreat wrote:
Nalod wrote:Not a month into the season and we already decided that he can't be a part of the triangle?


I think many fans have decided that Carmelo Anthony is a DEPRECIATING ASSET.

No different than when you buy a brand new car off the lot, and then watch it's actual value plummet the minute you sign the contract and leave the dealer lot. Except the Knicks didn't get a brand new car, they paid a brand new car plus more price for a used car. Denver got the benefit of all of Melo's cost controlled years.

Several years ago, the Knicks might have gotten a nice Taj Gibson/Jimmy Butler package, before the Bulls traded off Deng. They might have been able to get a package centered around Chandler Parsons before he signed with the Mavericks. There were various trade scenarios when Melo didn't have a No Trade Clause, was younger and didn't have this coach killer/can't deal with team mates in conflict/keeps saying stupid things in the media millstone around his neck.

1) He spent most of his career out of shape. That always catches up to a player eventually.

2) He is poor mix of don't care/don't try/don't understand on defense. If you can't even defend your own weight in the NBA, as you age, your value plummets, even if you have a marketable skill set ( see Ray Allen)

3) He's horrible in the press

4) He offers zero leadership

5) He has established a reputation as a coach killer.

6) Team mates who can actually help the team win, he's driven off the franchise

7) His desire to get paid first and foremost has compromised his team's ability to build a strong roster around him

8) Instead of eating, drinking, living the game ( not everyone can be as consumed as Peyton Manning and Michael Jordan), he clearly sees his basketball career as a means to an end and nothing else.

9) He doesn't move well off the ball, he has poor shot selection, he has limited court vision/savvy as a passer, he's generally a low BB IQ player.

10) He has shown little to no propensity to thrive in a team basketball system/environment.

He's a great one on one player who offers lethal offense and can create his own shot. He'd be a great sixth man or hired gunner for a team needed an offensive push. It's a valuable skill set, but one that has limited utility when discussing the qualities needed for a "franchise player"

He's a poor fit for the current state of the franchise ( he makes the Knicks a treadmill team, he's set to play for a team ready to contend now, to amass the assets needed to build a team around him, Melo will be out of his prime and at the end of his current contract, and that's if the Knicks do every single thing right from now to the end of said contract)

As each day passes, his trade value diminishes. The Knicks holding on to him is like the Cowboys holding onto Herschel Walker a few more years than they did and then trying to trade him to the Vikings.

All his negative intangibles become more highlighted as Melo gets older, this is true for all players who other NBA players don't want to play with, not if they have a choice ( i.e. Kobe Bryant and Dwight Howard)

"Better to get rid of a player a year too early than a year too late" - Bill Walsh.

Wall Poster Material.

There will always be a couple of psychos left who lose their lunch over these points, but it is just a short window of time left before almost everyone agrees with the majority of these points even if they were once staunch Melo defenders.

Everything this franchise has become is a reflection of Melo. Anyone who still lives in denial of this is incapable of seeing him for what he is. We'll always have those who think it is all purely subjective, but when there's smoke, there's fire is one thing. This is a bonfire of the vanities and the team is going up in smoke.

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11/24/2014  12:49 PM
Melo ensured that no matter what he will be the Knicks highest paid player for 5yrs. Had they resigned Lin it would've took some of the spotlight away from him and hurt him in his pocket. He wants to have his cake and eat it too. That's why the best you are going to get it that is another TYSON chandler/Marc Gasol type. Playoffs but no cigar
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11/24/2014  3:39 PM
This is stupid. Trade Melo and let me guess get draft picks and hope a guy thats hates college basketball make the right choice. Sounds Stupid
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11/24/2014  3:40 PM
Welcome to the Hotel Melofornia.

He can check out, but he will never leave.

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11/24/2014  10:53 PM
Let's trade Bargnani to Celts for sullinger and Jeff Green
Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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11/24/2014  11:08 PM
Knicks1969 wrote:Let's trade Bargnani to Celts for sullinger and Jeff Green

"Lets"! Yeah us!!!

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11/25/2014  9:50 AM
Nalod wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:Let's trade Bargnani to Celts for sullinger and Jeff Green

"Lets"! Yeah us!!!

Hurry, before Bargs recovers and starts stealing limelight from our Resident Evil!

Option 2: Trade Melo to the Celtics...

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