Regarding the Knicks I think in the end they will improve enough to be a playoff team and that's what Phil wants for this year. I don't think he's as focused on the draft as some Knick fans. I think he want some success so he can make deals and convince FA's to come. The draft will be a part but not the centerpiece of his remaking of this team.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:There is a contingent of folks around here that would disagree with you. I think it's a tough transition from bad to consistently good. There are a lot of young teams in the East. It's gonna take some time for some of these teams to really hit their stride. Some may never find it but some will.

Regarding the Knicks I think in the end they will improve enough to be a playoff team and that's what Phil wants for this year. I don't think he's as focused on the draft as some Knick fans. I think he want some success so he can make deals and convince FA's to come. The draft will be a part but not the centerpiece of his remaking of this team.

nix i know you are a very optimistic fan but even if by some miracle we get in it will most likely be the 8th spot. I hate to lose but i try to be objective in regards to this year. There is nothing wrong with getting a top draft pick AND signing free agents. It will help us get better quicker

How many lottery teams this yr landed a top FA, and how many draft picks in the last 3 seasons have turn their respective teams fortune around yet.

The only way this team gets better this yr is through a trade.

knicks1248 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:There is a contingent of folks around here that would disagree with you. I think it's a tough transition from bad to consistently good. There are a lot of young teams in the East. It's gonna take some time for some of these teams to really hit their stride. Some may never find it but some will.

Regarding the Knicks I think in the end they will improve enough to be a playoff team and that's what Phil wants for this year. I don't think he's as focused on the draft as some Knick fans. I think he want some success so he can make deals and convince FA's to come. The draft will be a part but not the centerpiece of his remaking of this team.

nix i know you are a very optimistic fan but even if by some miracle we get in it will most likely be the 8th spot. I hate to lose but i try to be objective in regards to this year. There is nothing wrong with getting a top draft pick AND signing free agents. It will help us get better quicker

How many lottery teams this yr landed a top FA, and how many draft picks in the last 3 seasons have turn their respective teams fortune around yet.

The only way this team gets better this yr is through a trade.

We should land a great free agent between gasol, Millsap, Jefferson, Monroe, Harris, Dragic, and Jackson. And having our own draft pick plus some solid young pieces puts us in good position to finally improve. We just need to find the 2nd star and the right pieces to put around them.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:The east has won 19 out of 63 matchups against western teams right now!
If you can't make the playoffs in the east, maybe it's time to shut down the franchise. I wouldn't want that to happen with the Knicks but I'm sure most people will remember the Knicks of this century as being mostly rosters that didn't even belong in the NBA.

since 2000 it hasnt been pretty. Even the few times we made the playoffs it was forgettable. Dolan obviously is the biggest culprit

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knickscity wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:The east has won 19 out of 63 matchups against western teams right now!
If you can't make the playoffs in the east, maybe it's time to shut down the franchise. I wouldn't want that to happen with the Knicks but I'm sure most people will remember the Knicks of this century as being mostly rosters that didn't even belong in the NBA.

since 2000 it hasnt been pretty. Even the few times we made the playoffs it was forgettable. Dolan obviously is the biggest culprit

Correct he should have been a cheapskate and not allow any of those GM's to mess up the way they did.

thats why i envy spurs management. They are probably the best run organization. Even as their guys get older they find guys in the draft to surround them well

StarksEwing1 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:The east has won 19 out of 63 matchups against western teams right now!
If you can't make the playoffs in the east, maybe it's time to shut down the franchise. I wouldn't want that to happen with the Knicks but I'm sure most people will remember the Knicks of this century as being mostly rosters that didn't even belong in the NBA.

since 2000 it hasnt been pretty. Even the few times we made the playoffs it was forgettable. Dolan obviously is the biggest culprit

Correct he should have been a cheapskate and not allow any of those GM's to mess up the way they did.

thats why i envy spurs management. They are probably the best run organization. Even as their guys get older they find guys in the draft to surround them well

No doubt, but they certainly have quite a bit of top tier talent. if they didnt have Duncan especially I seriously doubt they'd have the success they have enjoyed.

for sure. However duncan and parker have gotten older and yet they still find guys that help them stay elite. Not a easy task

Time to rest MElo

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:There is a contingent of folks around here that would disagree with you. I think it's a tough transition from bad to consistently good. There are a lot of young teams in the East. It's gonna take some time for some of these teams to really hit their stride. Some may never find it but some will.

Regarding the Knicks I think in the end they will improve enough to be a playoff team and that's what Phil wants for this year. I don't think he's as focused on the draft as some Knick fans. I think he want some success so he can make deals and convince FA's to come. The draft will be a part but not the centerpiece of his remaking of this team.

nix i know you are a very optimistic fan but even if by some miracle we get in it will most likely be the 8th spot. I hate to lose but i try to be objective in regards to this year. There is nothing wrong with getting a top draft pick AND signing free agents. It will help us get better quicker

I'm actually not being overly optimistic. I look at the East and the Knicks and What I see is that the Knicks still have potential to actually get it together and play at a much higher level. They have vet experience and when they get healthier and more acclimated to the system and each other I can see them going on a run at some point this season. They'll likely lose a bit more early on, but eventually they're gonna get hot. It should happen earlier than it did last year when they closed the season 16-7. I can see it happening much earlier this year and lasting for a few months rather than just a small period of time like last year.

nixluva wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:There is a contingent of folks around here that would disagree with you. I think it's a tough transition from bad to consistently good. There are a lot of young teams in the East. It's gonna take some time for some of these teams to really hit their stride. Some may never find it but some will.

Regarding the Knicks I think in the end they will improve enough to be a playoff team and that's what Phil wants for this year. I don't think he's as focused on the draft as some Knick fans. I think he want some success so he can make deals and convince FA's to come. The draft will be a part but not the centerpiece of his remaking of this team.

nix i know you are a very optimistic fan but even if by some miracle we get in it will most likely be the 8th spot. I hate to lose but i try to be objective in regards to this year. There is nothing wrong with getting a top draft pick AND signing free agents. It will help us get better quicker

I'm actually not being overly optimistic. I look at the East and the Knicks and What I see is that the Knicks still have potential to actually get it together and play at a much higher level. They have vet experience and when they get healthier and more acclimated to the system and each other I can see them going on a run at some point this season. They'll likely lose a bit more early on, but eventually they're gonna get hot. It should happen earlier than it did last year when they closed the season 16-7. I can see it happening much earlier this year and lasting for a few months rather than just a small period of time like last year.

Health certainly cant be relied upon, depth is..which the Knicks have very little of. They didnt have a replacement for Calderon, imagine if Melo does take some time off which will happen sooner or later.