Gotta hold on to our 1st round picks.

We trade em all! Lottery picks included!

and we will probably do it again. We will trade who ever we draft this year. You can already sense the panic. The media is pushing for a "2nd star"

They will overpay for one via trade of lottery picks or free agency.
They will be back in cap hell
back to being mediocre with no real chance for a deep playoff run

Hate to be so negative but its the way the Knicks operate no matter who is in charge. We are looking at another 20-30 before we contend again

smackeddog wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Lack of guys who can dribble drive to the hoop has been a problem for years now.

These are 4 guys who were effective with penetration of recent memory:
Lin
Nate
Crawford
Marbury

A huge reason why its been is a problem is we just haven't had enough quality 1st round picks. The Shumpert pick at 17 was the highest pick we've had. More than half the time we haven't even had our 1st round pick.

Just complete ineptitude from the Knicks organization. If only there was a blow it up button.

Well there was this past off-season but for whatever reason they are reluctant to pull the trigger. No matter who is in charge in the front office.

Its amazing that every team in New York professional sports has endured a period of success except our Knicks. Even the frickin Islanders!!!

so F'N embarrassing!!

No point in blowing it all up when we didn't have our 2016 pick.

Plus, Knick fans are hypocrites- they always want to blow it up and draft young players, and blast Dolan for trading away so many number one picks. Then they turn around and give any young players we do have about 1 season to become perfect players (the basic cycle is: blast the pick, overhype them when they start playing surprisingly better than anticipated, then when they don't meet the over hype, blast them for being trash in year two- demand they are traded for a second rounder). Oh and then once their gone, a few years later once they've developed into a meaningful contributor, begin hero-worshipping them again and blame Dolan for letting another fantastic player go.

Correction: Most Knick fans are hypocrites.

Regardless fans don't make the decisions and deals

BRIGGS wrote:I had/have high hopes for THJ. And I think what we have is a massive flaw in what we did draft-wise with our many of our picks over the last decade. Watching Fourmier shows you what is wrong with players like THJ and Early right away.

Not sure it's quite fair to compare THJ and Early to Fournier, as the Evan Fournier you see now was not the same player he was a couple of years back.

THJ was a late first rounder. Early was a 2nd rounder. If the Knicks can get rotation contributors from these guys, awesome. Many players picked in their areas just don't pan out. If both can give you solid long range shooting, albeit with other flaws in their games, I don't see that as a negative. They are young cost controlled labor with room to develop.

Critically, I'm more concerned about their defense than their offense. Ever see NFL rookie running backs? When they can pass protect, they can play. Until they can, who cares if they can rip off 10 yards at a time if they get their 20 million a year QB1 killed every snap? Can't block, can't play.

For THJ and Early, these guys need to develop, but they need to develop defensively. THJ will never be a plus defender. Probably not even an average one. But given the roster locks of Melo and Calderon for the next three years, any young Knick needs to push out as much defense as possible.

To be fair to THJ and Early, not sure this is the best environment for a young player to thrive.

I don't think its time to give up on THJ. Let's give the kid a little time. As for Early, whether the Knicks should have taken Spencer Dinwiddie instead will be something to figure out down the road, but again, I think it's too early to assess what Early can or can't do for the Knicks. But as a 2nd rounder, with different leverage, the Knicks need to get Early onto the floor.

StarksEwing1 wrote:Before last night hardaway had a bunch of good offensive games. Last night he didnt play at all in the first half so tough to get your rhythm going. Defensively we know he is limited but for where he was drafted we got good value plus he is still developing

Thank you... Why fisher didn't play him in the first half is mind blowing.. But it's still early... We need Jose and brags healthy before we can truly evaluate the team..

I was already disappointed with him last year when it was obvious that he does not rebound or defend (at all) and that at best he was a very streaky shooter.

May be the most disappointing part of the season

Even Clyde was flabbergasted at Fisher starting

Him the second half when he didn't play a lick of minutes in the first

What coach does this to a young player

Or any player for the matter, and he's done it multiple times this yr

It's absolutely uncalled for and absurd

BRIGGS wrote:I had/have high hopes for THJ. And I think what we have is a massive flaw in what we did draft-wise with our many of our picks over the last decade. Watching Fourmier shows you what is wrong with players like THJ and Early right away.

Fourmier is has an outside game BUT has the use of a dribble drive game--THJ and Early do not. They are both athletic spot up shooters with no middle game at a time when the middle game has become very important--we have not drafted very well over the last decade for guys who can control the dribble. The ONLY player we have drafted in the last ten years who can control the dribble is Shumpert and for the first 3 years he could not shoot it. The reason why we dont shoot FT's--we simply do not have players with dribble drive skills who can draw fouls nor do we have a starting player post game.

Were back to the same Dolanesgue team 100mm spent and we stink. The trade we couldve made that we didnt--Lowry---the guy can control the dribble but this guy makes every other trade that makes no sense. I think Phil Jackson has to think about moves the rest of the way--don't think about who can play the triangle--think about guys who have full skill sets--who than can adapt to a system. Guys like JR THJ even Carmelo--they dont handle the ball like Jordan Kobe or Pippen. The main guys who played for the Bulls and Lakers were great ball-handlers. We don't have that.

I think other than Melo because we are married and maybe Shump--that everyone else might be available for us to trade starting in Dec.

THJ struggles are attributed to Fisher. He can't find consistent minutes for the kid, because he is adamant about giving JR minutes. Play THJ 25 minutes consistently, he will produce.