its as if there's a constant narrative that they all work along with as if they could, through their concerted efforts, wish what they write to become reality. so when Carmelo re-signed with the knicks this summer the writers and by extension most of the country just assumed it had to be for the money. they came to that conclusion part because of what they think of Melo but also because of what they think of the knicks. New York isn't where you sign if you want to win championships, Chicago wins championships, Los Angles wins championships and he didn't go to either so he must not have wanted one he must've just been looking for the biggest check to cash.

Jim Boeheim who won a championship in New York with Carmelo doesn't agree with them, in a recent interview he said referring to Carmelo, “The loyalty he’s shown in New York is a little under-observed,” Boeheim said. “I mean, everybody says the money. He would’ve gotten $100 million [elsewhere] instead of $120 [million]. OK, big deal. You make that up in endorsements.“He had a better chance to win in Chicago, he stayed in New York and I admire that. He stayed because he thinks Derek Fisher and Phil Jackson can get this done."

its amazing that in the same year as King James merciful return to Cleveland and after all the criticism players have received lately for signing elsewhere to win championships that any player would receive any negative response at all for doing the opposite and staying home and trusting ownership to build a contender around him. Lebron signed with a team that's years a way from being a title contender for max dollars and even had the nerve to sign basically a 1 year deal so that every year he can suck as much as possible out of the cavaliers cap yet that's some how more noble then Melo doing the same thing except he took what at first seemed like a small pay cut but that now combined with LeBron's greedy in intentions and the NBA's new TV deal is revealed to be a very helpful chunk of money he's leaving on the table for the knicks to work with.

Kobe has gotten help with Shaq and Pau but also decent overall talent on those teams. But look at how Kobe is talked about now and it's not too much different than Melo. It's tough to break media perceptions. Paul Pierce wasn't much loved until KG and Allen helped him get a title. It's tough in this league. IMO Melo hasn't done anything wrong off the court and doesn't deserve some of the negative reputation he's gotten. I think at the end of this run under Phil Melo will come out with a better reputation than he's had going in. Even despite the slump over the last 2 games. I think this team will get better and better and with that winning it will help Melo's status.

Vmart wrote:Melo is suppose to be the guy who is good a superstar the efficient one. The guy who buys in. Makes others better. He is suppose to be the guy who takes the system by the horn and learn every nook and cranny of it. He is the guy who is suppose to be the leader. For a $124 Million he is bringing none of it. He is without position can't guard sfs, undersized inefficient pf. If he's going to jack up shot he better hit half of them.

You bring up Jordan, do you not understand how efficient he was, he shot 50% FG for his career and his handle was point guard good. Same with Kobe their handles are tight they can get to any spot on the floor effortlessly. You can say that about LeBron too, but you can't say that about Melo.

I don't know what Phil was thinking giving a 31 year old downward spiral player $124 million. Superstars don't play like this.

kobe and mj were guards not forwards so their handle was obviously better.

while mj was super efficient, kobe was/is no more efficient than melo

Vmart wrote:Melo is suppose to be the guy who is good a superstar the efficient one. The guy who buys in. Makes others better. He is suppose to be the guy who takes the system by the horn and learn every nook and cranny of it. He is the guy who is suppose to be the leader. For a $124 Million he is bringing none of it. He is without position can't guard sfs, undersized inefficient pf. If he's going to jack up shot he better hit half of them.

You bring up Jordan, do you not understand how efficient he was, he shot 50% FG for his career and his handle was point guard good. Same with Kobe their handles are tight they can get to any spot on the floor effortlessly. You can say that about LeBron too, but you can't say that about Melo.

I don't know what Phil was thinking giving a 31 year old downward spiral player $124 million. Superstars don't play like this.

knickknack wrote:

Vmart wrote:Melo is suppose to be the guy who is good a superstar the efficient one. The guy who buys in. Makes others better. He is suppose to be the guy who takes the system by the horn and learn every nook and cranny of it. He is the guy who is suppose to be the leader. For a $124 Million he is bringing none of it. He is without position can't guard sfs, undersized inefficient pf. If he's going to jack up shot he better hit half of them.

You bring up Jordan, do you not understand how efficient he was, he shot 50% FG for his career and his handle was point guard good. Same with Kobe their handles are tight they can get to any spot on the floor effortlessly. You can say that about LeBron too, but you can't say that about Melo.

I don't know what Phil was thinking giving a 31 year old downward spiral player $124 million. Superstars don't play like this.

good to know that 5 games in a new system with new teammates is all we need to properly evaluate a 5 year deal I see your selective memory is acting up again so I'll help you out. in both the games we've won this year melo shot over 50% and had multiple assists to go along with over 25 points a piece and his usual helping of boards, yeah he's had 3 bad games as well but no one played very good in those 3 games. not that this has anything to do with anything we're talking about here but all great scorers typically have above average drippling skills and although melo isnt a very flashy dripple he can hold his own drippling considering he's also twice as good of a post scorer then lebron. also your counting skills need some atention as well since melo is currently 30 years of age not 31 I know you have trouble keeping up but its currently 2014 not 2015. also I wasn't comparing melo to jordan or kobe I was comparing kobe's reputation to the one we give jordan now that enough time has passed since his ball dominant playing days.

We have three years of sample on Melo. He dogged it for MDA turned it up for Woodson who catered to him.

I don't really see the point of your thread are you aren't you asking who Melo is suppose to be. There is no right or wrong because everyone has an opinion on who Melo is suppose to be.

knickknack wrote:The other day I was discussing with my dad how people in the media pick and choose who they consider to be a good guy and who's a bad guy, who's a team player and who's a ball hog or selfish, who's an all star caliber player and who doesn't play enough defense. For instance, kobe scored 30,000 points by being selfish but Jordan did it while healing the sick and feeding the poor. Then they proceed to use these notions as the primary variable in any situation involving these players like a handicap in golf that's constantly working for or against them depending on which label they've been given. Carmelo had zero turnovers in his 61 point game but who cares about that lets focus on his zero assists instead.

its as if there's a constant narrative that they all work along with as if they could, through their concerted efforts, wish what they write to become reality. so when Carmelo re-signed with the knicks this summer the writers and by extension most of the country just assumed it had to be for the money. they came to that conclusion part because of what they think of Melo but also because of what they think of the knicks. New York isn't where you sign if you want to win championships, Chicago wins championships, Los Angles wins championships and he didn't go to either so he must not have wanted one he must've just been looking for the biggest check to cash.

Jim Boeheim who won a championship in New York with Carmelo doesn't agree with them, in a recent interview he said referring to Carmelo, “The loyalty he’s shown in New York is a little under-observed,” Boeheim said. “I mean, everybody says the money. He would’ve gotten $100 million [elsewhere] instead of $120 [million]. OK, big deal. You make that up in endorsements.“He had a better chance to win in Chicago, he stayed in New York and I admire that. He stayed because he thinks Derek Fisher and Phil Jackson can get this done."

its amazing that in the same year as King James merciful return to Cleveland and after all the criticism players have received lately for signing elsewhere to win championships that any player would receive any negative response at all for doing the opposite and staying home and trusting ownership to build a contender around him. Lebron signed with a team that's years a way from being a title contender for max dollars and even had the nerve to sign basically a 1 year deal so that every year he can suck as much as possible out of the cavaliers cap yet that's some how more noble then Melo doing the same thing except he took what at first seemed like a small pay cut but that now combined with LeBron's greedy in intentions and the NBA's new TV deal is revealed to be a very helpful chunk of money he's leaving on the table for the knicks to work with.

You sir, are a doofus homer. You have no appreciation for advanced efficiency metrics. Melo had zero turnovers in his 62-point game because he was too busy chucking pointless shots against a jv team during the height of the meaningless jv season. Which of course, is where you amass your advanced efficiency stats, but I digress.

Who cares if Melo stayed with the Knicks? $24 mill is 24 mill and we of the internet fandom who've never met the man, his wife or kids, or even any of his retinue, know without a doubt that all this pri$$y, self-absorbed, oversmiling, overhyped, WarnerBros, makes the playoffs but never wins it all like Duncan, Shaq and Lebron (we hate Kobe, by the way) inefficent, team-cancre, coach-killing stooge is out for the money. It's the NBA, sir, inform your dad that this is not a business, it's about basketball the right way, as we see it and know it. San Antonio is the place to be, everyone knows that. Plus, he personally didn't make the playoffs last year, so that just goes to show you that the past decade was just a farce in weak Western conference, that's better than the East now that Melo's not there, but I digress again.

And he's hella fat. We know, because we look under his armor every frickin day. We know he loafs it in practice, that he's never touched a weight bar in his life, that he's a chicken lard swilling loser. How do we know all this? We just do, and we have the sabre metrics to prove it. And don't give us any of that HOF making bs. We can guarantee you he will not be in the HOF. How can we guarantee it? Easy, we know more than all those stupid sportswriters who know less than we do because we say so.

Jumping over chairs chasing loose balls? It's just a show, a sham to get hisself and his CAA posse more of Dolan's cash. Leading the team in steals? He's just tracking down his own fumbles! 15 assists in two games? They're not real, and don't get hung up on any of that hockey assist BS. He's a ball hogging hero balling iso chucker, no matter who he plays with, except when he played with HOF MVP GOAT Chauncey Billups, then he gets carried by a true alpha talent. Unless of course he tries to pass the ball to someone like Fishlips, then he's an idiot douche who knows deep inside (again, we read Melo brainwaves, what few there are of them) that he's a choke artist who can't hit a late game shot.

He doesn't dunk enough, he's just a pretty jumpshot, and he rebounds like a PG. Except when he's not, then he's an undersized PF with pansy shoulders who plays 16th century bully ball and absolutely zero defense. He also whines alot, except when he's smiling too much.

And that headband is so '70's it makes me want to puke.

Can somebody photoshop Melo's head in there? Batman already has the body armor so we are half way there?

knickknack wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

knickknack wrote:The other day I was discussing with my dad how people in the media pick and choose who they consider to be a good guy and who's a bad guy, who's a team player and who's a ball hog or selfish, who's an all star caliber player and who doesn't play enough defense. For instance, kobe scored 30,000 points by being selfish but Jordan did it while healing the sick and feeding the poor. Then they proceed to use these notions as the primary variable in any situation involving these players like a handicap in golf that's constantly working for or against them depending on which label they've been given. Carmelo had zero turnovers in his 61 point game but who cares about that lets focus on his zero assists instead.

its as if there's a constant narrative that they all work along with as if they could, through their concerted efforts, wish what they write to become reality. so when Carmelo re-signed with the knicks this summer the writers and by extension most of the country just assumed it had to be for the money. they came to that conclusion part because of what they think of Melo but also because of what they think of the knicks. New York isn't where you sign if you want to win championships, Chicago wins championships, Los Angles wins championships and he didn't go to either so he must not have wanted one he must've just been looking for the biggest check to cash.

Jim Boeheim who won a championship in New York with Carmelo doesn't agree with them, in a recent interview he said referring to Carmelo, “The loyalty he’s shown in New York is a little under-observed,” Boeheim said. “I mean, everybody says the money. He would’ve gotten $100 million [elsewhere] instead of $120 [million]. OK, big deal. You make that up in endorsements.“He had a better chance to win in Chicago, he stayed in New York and I admire that. He stayed because he thinks Derek Fisher and Phil Jackson can get this done."

its amazing that in the same year as King James merciful return to Cleveland and after all the criticism players have received lately for signing elsewhere to win championships that any player would receive any negative response at all for doing the opposite and staying home and trusting ownership to build a contender around him. Lebron signed with a team that's years a way from being a title contender for max dollars and even had the nerve to sign basically a 1 year deal so that every year he can suck as much as possible out of the cavaliers cap yet that's some how more noble then Melo doing the same thing except he took what at first seemed like a small pay cut but that now combined with LeBron's greedy in intentions and the NBA's new TV deal is revealed to be a very helpful chunk of money he's leaving on the table for the knicks to work with.

You sir, are a doofus homer. You have no appreciation for advanced efficiency metrics. Melo had zero turnovers in his 62-point game because he was too busy chucking pointless shots against a jv team during the height of the meaningless jv season. Which of course, is where you amass your advanced efficiency stats, but I digress.

Who cares if Melo stayed with the Knicks? $24 mill is 24 mill and we of the internet fandom who've never met the man, his wife or kids, or even any of his retinue, know without a doubt that all this pri$$y, self-absorbed, oversmiling, overhyped, WarnerBros, makes the playoffs but never wins it all like Duncan, Shaq and Lebron (we hate Kobe, by the way) inefficent, team-cancre, coach-killing stooge is out for the money. It's the NBA, sir, inform your dad that this is not a business, it's about basketball the right way, as we see it and know it. San Antonio is the place to be, everyone knows that. Plus, he personally didn't make the playoffs last year, so that just goes to show you that the past decade was just a farce in weak Western conference, that's better than the East now that Melo's not there, but I digress again.

And he's hella fat. We know, because we look under his armor every frickin day. We know he loafs it in practice, that he's never touched a weight bar in his life, that he's a chicken lard swilling loser. How do we know all this? We just do, and we have the sabre metrics to prove it. And don't give us any of that HOF making bs. We can guarantee you he will not be in the HOF. How can we guarantee it? Easy, we know more than all those stupid sportswriters who know less than we do because we say so.

Jumping over chairs chasing loose balls? It's just a show, a sham to get hisself and his CAA posse more of Dolan's cash. Leading the team in steals? He's just tracking down his own fumbles! 15 assists in two games? They're not real, and don't get hung up on any of that hockey assist BS. He's a ball hogging hero balling iso chucker, no matter who he plays with, except when he played with HOF MVP GOAT Chauncey Billups, then he gets carried by a true alpha talent. Unless of course he tries to pass the ball to someone like Fishlips, then he's an idiot douche who knows deep inside (again, we read Melo brainwaves, what few there are of them) that he's a choke artist who can't hit a late game shot.

He doesn't dunk enough, he's just a pretty jumpshot, and he rebounds like a PG. Except when he's not, then he's an undersized PF with pansy shoulders who plays 16th century bully ball and absolutely zero defense. He also whines alot, except when he's smiling too much.

And that headband is so '70's it makes me want to puke.

lol I gonna guess you were being silly on this one, if not I'm gonna let you keep on believing all that.

Please and thank you. Illusions are horrible things to not have come true. Ask anyone who's left the board because this Melo idiot didn't sign in Chicago or LA like he was supposed to.

Vmart wrote:

knickknack wrote:

Vmart wrote:

knickknack wrote:

Vmart wrote:Melo is suppose to be the guy who is good a superstar the efficient one. The guy who buys in. Makes others better. He is suppose to be the guy who takes the system by the horn and learn every nook and cranny of it. He is the guy who is suppose to be the leader. For a $124 Million he is bringing none of it. He is without position can't guard sfs, undersized inefficient pf. If he's going to jack up shot he better hit half of them.

You bring up Jordan, do you not understand how efficient he was, he shot 50% FG for his career and his handle was point guard good. Same with Kobe their handles are tight they can get to any spot on the floor effortlessly. You can say that about LeBron too, but you can't say that about Melo.

I don't know what Phil was thinking giving a 31 year old downward spiral player $124 million. Superstars don't play like this.

good to know that 5 games in a new system with new teammates is all we need to properly evaluate a 5 year deal I see your selective memory is acting up again so I'll help you out. in both the games we've won this year melo shot over 50% and had multiple assists to go along with over 25 points a piece and his usual helping of boards, yeah he's had 3 bad games as well but no one played very good in those 3 games. not that this has anything to do with anything we're talking about here but all great scorers typically have above average drippling skills and although melo isnt a very flashy dripple he can hold his own drippling considering he's also twice as good of a post scorer then lebron. also your counting skills need some atention as well since melo is currently 30 years of age not 31 I know you have trouble keeping up but its currently 2014 not 2015. also I wasn't comparing melo to jordan or kobe I was comparing kobe's reputation to the one we give jordan now that enough time has passed since his ball dominant playing days.

We have three years of sample on Melo. He dogged it for MDA turned it up for Woodson who catered to him.

I don't really see the point of your thread are you aren't you asking who Melo is suppose to be. There is no right or wrong because everyone has an opinion on who Melo is suppose to be.

I'm not necessarily asking who Melo really is as much as I'm commenting on my observation that we typically analyze most athletes decisions and actions with a preconceived bias based off what we've been fed about them by the media. Melo stayed in New York for max dollars in hope they can build a contender in the next 5 years. Lebron returned to Cleveland for max dollars in hopes they can build a contender in the next 5 years too but some how that's widely considered way more of a noble move then what melo did. even though they did the same thing Melo is said to have done it for the money even though lebron plans to basically take more and more of cleveland's money every summer until he retires.

I apologize for being sort of vague in my opening post.

You are right to some degree. Most do think what they are told to think about a player. But those that are real fans and scrutinize the team based on play formulate their own opinion. My opinion on Melo is based solely on his play. I think Melo is talented as hell, I believe he is selling the fans and himself short. His game probably has another level or two but he settles and its frustrating. The guys you mentioned Kobe, Jordan and LeBron they want more they want to be the best.

I want Melo to have animosity toward LeBron and Durant and who ever. You think Kobe likes to hear LeBron is the best that shyt eats at him. He wants to be the best, the other night he scores 20,000 points, he says I never thought I would score that many points. Kobe would never have said that or Jordan.

Well sounds like a personal problem for you Vmart

If you haven't discerned that's Humble Melo

The Superstar who doesn't care about where he rates with other Superstars

Keeps your ears open to the things he says, Melo is so sound in mind

Quite possibly the meekest of all Superstars past, present, and future

Vmart wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

Vmart wrote:

knickknack wrote:

Vmart wrote:

knickknack wrote:

Vmart wrote:Melo is suppose to be the guy who is good a superstar the efficient one. The guy who buys in. Makes others better. He is suppose to be the guy who takes the system by the horn and learn every nook and cranny of it. He is the guy who is suppose to be the leader. For a $124 Million he is bringing none of it. He is without position can't guard sfs, undersized inefficient pf. If he's going to jack up shot he better hit half of them.

You bring up Jordan, do you not understand how efficient he was, he shot 50% FG for his career and his handle was point guard good. Same with Kobe their handles are tight they can get to any spot on the floor effortlessly. You can say that about LeBron too, but you can't say that about Melo.

I don't know what Phil was thinking giving a 31 year old downward spiral player $124 million. Superstars don't play like this.

good to know that 5 games in a new system with new teammates is all we need to properly evaluate a 5 year deal I see your selective memory is acting up again so I'll help you out. in both the games we've won this year melo shot over 50% and had multiple assists to go along with over 25 points a piece and his usual helping of boards, yeah he's had 3 bad games as well but no one played very good in those 3 games. not that this has anything to do with anything we're talking about here but all great scorers typically have above average drippling skills and although melo isnt a very flashy dripple he can hold his own drippling considering he's also twice as good of a post scorer then lebron. also your counting skills need some atention as well since melo is currently 30 years of age not 31 I know you have trouble keeping up but its currently 2014 not 2015. also I wasn't comparing melo to jordan or kobe I was comparing kobe's reputation to the one we give jordan now that enough time has passed since his ball dominant playing days.

We have three years of sample on Melo. He dogged it for MDA turned it up for Woodson who catered to him.

I don't really see the point of your thread are you aren't you asking who Melo is suppose to be. There is no right or wrong because everyone has an opinion on who Melo is suppose to be.

I'm not necessarily asking who Melo really is as much as I'm commenting on my observation that we typically analyze most athletes decisions and actions with a preconceived bias based off what we've been fed about them by the media. Melo stayed in New York for max dollars in hope they can build a contender in the next 5 years. Lebron returned to Cleveland for max dollars in hopes they can build a contender in the next 5 years too but some how that's widely considered way more of a noble move then what melo did. even though they did the same thing Melo is said to have done it for the money even though lebron plans to basically take more and more of cleveland's money every summer until he retires.

I apologize for being sort of vague in my opening post.

You are right to some degree. Most do think what they are told to think about a player. But those that are real fans and scrutinize the team based on play formulate their own opinion. My opinion on Melo is based solely on his play. I think Melo is talented as hell, I believe he is selling the fans and himself short. His game probably has another level or two but he settles and its frustrating. The guys you mentioned Kobe, Jordan and LeBron they want more they want to be the best.

I want Melo to have animosity toward LeBron and Durant and who ever. You think Kobe likes to hear LeBron is the best that shyt eats at him. He wants to be the best, the other night he scores 20,000 points, he says I never thought I would score that many points. Kobe would never have said that or Jordan.

Well sounds like a personal problem for you Vmart

If you haven't discerned that's Humble Melo

The Superstar who doesn't care about where he rates with other Superstars

Keeps your ears open to the things he says, Melo is so sound in mind

Quite possibly the meekest of all Superstars past, present, and future

Humble Melo, true guy has a big heart. I don't want him so humble, I want the fight in the dog. That's the edge that is missing.

I feel the same way to a degree but at the same time that's part of why I admire Melo so much he's never tried to be Jordan or Kobe or Lebron, He doesn't even try to play like them he modeled his game after Bernard King but at the same time maybe that's why he has so many less achievements in his career. maybe he didn't spend enough time learning from those who won it all.