BRIGGS wrote:and not known for his D. Why cant Amare work for us? If we have THJ with Melo and Amare(Dalembart/Calderon) JR Smith back to 6th man etc.. it should work????

David Lee is far more multi-faceted than Amare and also more team-conscious. If Amare isn't scoring off some variant of an isolation play, he is useless. David Lee on the other hand can rebound, is a deft passer and can score in a number of positions, which forces the defense to always be mindful of him.

Lee is the typical Knicks fan story. The majority hated on him and said he was the most atrocious defender in the world while simultaneously jizzing on themselves about Stat who just happens to be far worse as a defender.

They said Lee was overpaid (typical scenario for the Knicks since we never really showed any interest in retaining him for what may have been less than what he finally got from GS), yet Stat with his production has been a financial albatross. Lee would have been a fine value by comparison.

Lee has a brain on the court. Amare has no BB IQ.

The Knicks have been a fine source of players for other teams. We don't seem to know how to hold on to some of the better ones.

Splat wrote:David Lee is twice the player Stat is. He is ambidextrous and can pass and board in a variety of ways Amare couldn't even dream of. Plus, he evolved into a more diverse offensive player who can play within a system.

Lee is the typical Knicks fan story. The majority hated on him and said he was the most atrocious defender in the world while simultaneously jizzing on themselves about Stat who just happens to be far worse as a defender.

They said Lee was overpaid (typical scenario for the Knicks since we never really showed any interest in retaining him for what may have been less than what he finally got from GS), yet Stat with his production has been a financial albatross. Lee would have been a fine value by comparison.

Lee has a brain on the court. Amare has no BB IQ.

The Knicks have been a fine source of players for other teams. We don't seem to know how to hold on to some of the better ones.

I was one of those guys. Now I'm not. It's like I'm trapped in a just for men's commercial

Anyone who touted 4 years ago that DLee, who majored in posterization avoidance, was going to be an Allstar, was full of sheehit. He was the king of the empty calorie double double.

Funny, seems like posters who love/want the Knicks to play tough D also seem to have fond memories of DLee.
Life is full of contradictions.

fishmike wrote:yea.. kinda funny to read this stuff. Maybe we just see if Amare can pick up where he left off? You know... 15ppg, 6rebs, shoot 57% and the Knicks went 16-5? Not to mention now that the Acy experiment is winding down and Amare was in with the starters what happend? 24 minutes he shoots 5-7, 14pts, 6rebs, 3assists and yes SPLAT he was +4

When he's healthy as he is now he's our 2nd best player and easily most eff% scorer. Compain about his defense and lack off passing (both of which are totally blown out of proportion on this board) all you want. Only thing wrong with Amare right now is you cant count on his health. Until then run him out there and the Knicks are a better team.

Yep, I do love revisionist history. When Lee was a Knick, people just blasted him for his lack of defense. Now he's no longer a Knick, he is considered a god. meanwhile Amar'e is a Knick and so is blasted for his defense.

Warrior fans hated, HATED Lee up until last season- no idea if they still do, but I think this Lee over Amar'e stuff is just a case of "the grass is always greener..."

BRIGGS wrote:and not known for his D. Why cant Amare work for us? If we have THJ with Melo and Amare(Dalembart/Calderon) JR Smith back to 6th man etc.. it should work????

I think taking the dynamic play out of the equation

David Lee is a better PLAYER than Amar'e

We can argue the injuries derailed Amar'e

But when has someone as athletically gifted as him

Stopped well short of using it to it's potential

If D'Antoni inflated the numbers of players he coached

Then Amar'e career hasn't been all that special considering

Heck one could argue an in shape Diaw is a better PLAYER than Amar'e

I hated Lee's lack of defensive presence but it's no worse than Amar'e

With Lee you can put him on any team with any player and he'll be effective

I also like him at the better price tag

BRIGGS wrote:

Splat wrote:David Lee is twice the player Stat is. He is ambidextrous and can pass and board in a variety of ways Amare couldn't even dream of. Plus, he evolved into a more diverse offensive player who can play within a system.

Lee is the typical Knicks fan story. The majority hated on him and said he was the most atrocious defender in the world while simultaneously jizzing on themselves about Stat who just happens to be far worse as a defender.

They said Lee was overpaid (typical scenario for the Knicks since we never really showed any interest in retaining him for what may have been less than what he finally got from GS), yet Stat with his production has been a financial albatross. Lee would have been a fine value by comparison.

Lee has a brain on the court. Amare has no BB IQ.

The Knicks have been a fine source of players for other teams. We don't seem to know how to hold on to some of the better ones.

Isiah Thomas was a poor GM but he did at one point have Jamal Crawford David Lee Wilson Chandler Gallo Zach Randolph on the same team 6 years ago. If we made moves to enhance the team--find the right bunch for the rest of the team--that was the foundation of a highly competitive group. We have MUCH more to work with there then we have moving 4ward now. This all relates back to the owner. He does not sit tight so it's almost impossible to strategize or let a team come together as he impatiently wants the next best thing available. He believes just spending money will equal success and I think he may have just done it again.

This is exactly why I thought Isiah was not the problem. It was management / owner who placed too much responsibility on one person. If Isiah was still around, I'm confident that we would've had more healthy young talent than we have now.

BRIGGS wrote:

Splat wrote:David Lee is twice the player Stat is. He is ambidextrous and can pass and board in a variety of ways Amare couldn't even dream of. Plus, he evolved into a more diverse offensive player who can play within a system.

Lee is the typical Knicks fan story. The majority hated on him and said he was the most atrocious defender in the world while simultaneously jizzing on themselves about Stat who just happens to be far worse as a defender.

They said Lee was overpaid (typical scenario for the Knicks since we never really showed any interest in retaining him for what may have been less than what he finally got from GS), yet Stat with his production has been a financial albatross. Lee would have been a fine value by comparison.

Lee has a brain on the court. Amare has no BB IQ.

The Knicks have been a fine source of players for other teams. We don't seem to know how to hold on to some of the better ones.

Isiah Thomas was a poor GM but he did at one point have Jamal Crawford David Lee Wilson Chandler Gallo Zach Randolph on the same team 6 years ago. If we made moves to enhance the team--find the right bunch for the rest of the team--that was the foundation of a highly competitive group. We have MUCH more to work with there then we have moving 4ward now. This all relates back to the owner. He does not sit tight so it's almost impossible to strategize or let a team come together as he impatiently wants the next best thing available. He believes just spending money will equal success and I think he may have just done it again.

why are you trying to defend that train wreck? All we really need is Jerome James and Larry Brown... oh wait, I meant Eddy Curry.