CrushAlot wrote:I think that makes sense. However, what I have read about Stat to Philly is that they would want to do that deal at the deadline so that they only had to pay Stat about 7 mil of his salary. Stats salary bumps their cap # up enough so that they don't have to pay penalties for their pay roll being too low. I believe it saves them close to 20 mil. They did the same thing with Granger last year.

That makes a lot of sense. If we do this, we really need to try to get a decent 2nd rounder out of it. (Imagine saying that a few years back)

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BRIGGS wrote:Amare Stoudemire and 3mm$ to Philly for Jason Richardson and their 2015 2nd round pick. They really could use the tough veteran NBA player Amare is. He could play starting PF and allow Noel to freelance and take pressure off of him. It would really give Philly fans somethingt o watch. It brings Philly above the minimum threshold and gives Amare all the minutes he can handle to do his thing--to show leadership to the younger players on Philly and to help make them competitive.. We can simply waive Richardson.

The only reason the 76ers would trade for STAT is for reaching the salary floor mandated by the CBA.

Philly is clearly in tank mode. The 76ers aren't looking to be competitive. At all. STAT is going to be playing for his next contract, which means he will actually try ( as much as is possible for him) on defense and to establish himself a 3rd or 4th big on a contender ( he's probably a 5th big in reality at this point for any team) He also will chew up minutes from younger players ( Moultrie, Grant, Davies) that the 76ers will either try to develop or feature for trade purposes.

If STAT makes it to the 76ers, odds are he will be firmly planted on their bench. Since the money savings roll both ways, I don't see how the Knicks get assets, but I guess they can get a heavily protected conditional 2nd ( which would likely end up as no pick) for face saving purposes.

I suppose an argument could be made that STAT would help Philly lose more than win, which would help their end goal. Sadly, he's a ball stopper. Every shotjack is an opportunity to develop Noel and Sims wasted. He will also clog up the paint, which hinders Noel's development in the post. Helping you lose to tank is great. Doing such at the cost of minutes and development to players that the Sixers want in their future core is not.

If the Sixers wanted to be competitive, they wouldn't have offloaded Hawes and Turner at the last deadline. And wouldn't have jettisoned Thaddeus Young this offseason.

Yes and no, I don't see STAT getting 30m per night
Playing on a team with NO talent and NOT enough talent to win is completely different
In some sense, play competitive basketball for 3quarters, and throw the 4th quarter by putting in combinations that do not work, achieves the same result, PING PONG BALLS
With STAT's DEFENSE, he will give up more points than he actually can score, though that would allow Noel to work on his HELP DEFENSE

I just don't think STAT would be able to help that team actually win games
Noel, Sims, and Moultrue will still get 20-30minutes a game, which is quite a lot

Finestrg wrote:I don't know -- I like STAT, man. Always have. I know a lot of you don't. My friend Al hates the guy. I have to hear about it all the time. Lol.

I see a guy that, as long as he stays healthy for the most part (which I think he will esp. with the way they plan to monitor his mins.), is still a productive big man. I think he's still a legit weapon to feature in the offense. Everyone's been all over this guy lately that he's a ballstopper, refuses to pass the ball, still can't play with Melo, etc.. I don't see any of that at all. I see a guy that for all intent & purposes is still our 2nd best overall player. I see a very talented big man (when did he become a guy we want passing up opportunities to score the ball??), a guy that's a team player, doesn't cause problems and has a terrific work ethic...I'd like to think we could get something better in return than a throw-away vet wing player we'd look to dump instantly and a 2nd round pick. As for the $3mm you're proposing to include wouldn't it be wiser to save that amount for the draft and just buy a 2nd round pick? And that's if we don't need the money for a more important/more significant trade, either by the deadline or during the off-season. I'd hesitate to blow our full cash allotment on something like this.

While I wouldn't be against dealing him in the right move, honestly I wouldn't mind seeing us just play this thing out with Amar'e---let him play out the season and feature him heavily in the offense (as much as his health will allow---maybe he can go 30 mins a night with a day off here and there, reduced practice time, etc.), let him expire off the cap and then maybe once we sort some stuff out and hopefully add at least 1 major piece, execute our draft pick, maybe we bring Amar'e back next year if the price is right. Let's see how he plays (I think he's gonna play well), how he holds up, etc.. He very well may have infinitely more value by the deadline than what's being discussed here. No rush to deal him now. If the idea is really to win this year, have a competitive season, make the playoffs and try to make some noise, etc., we have a better chance with Amar'e still in the fold I feel.

I'm on your side with this. good post.

Finestrg wrote:If anything, maybe we look to make a deal like this for Bargnani. He's the guy I wouldn't mind simply unloading in the name of alleviating some congestion at the 4 spot. STAT has more value to us right now imo.

VDesai wrote:

Finestrg wrote:I don't know -- I like STAT, man. Always have. I know a lot of you don't. My friend Al hates the guy. I have to hear about it all the time. Lol.

I see a guy that, as long as he stays healthy for the most part (which I think he will esp. with the way they plan to monitor his mins.), is still a productive big man. I think he's still a legit weapon to feature in the offense. Everyone's been all over this guy lately that he's a ballstopper, refuses to pass the ball, still can't play with Melo, etc.. I don't see any of that at all. I see a guy that for all intent & purposes is still our 2nd best overall player. I see a very talented big man (when did he become a guy we want passing up opportunities to score the ball??), a guy that's a team player, doesn't cause problems and has a terrific work ethic...I'd like to think we could get something better in return than a throw-away vet wing player we'd look to dump instantly and a 2nd round pick. As for the $3mm you're proposing to include wouldn't it be wiser to save that amount for the draft and just buy a 2nd round pick? And that's if we don't need the money for a more important/more significant trade, either by the deadline or during the off-season. I'd hesitate to blow our full cash allotment on something like this.

While I wouldn't be against dealing him in the right move, honestly I wouldn't mind seeing us just play this thing out with Amar'e---let him play out the season and feature him heavily in the offense (as much as his health will allow---maybe he can go 30 mins a night with a day off here and there, reduced practice time, etc.), let him expire off the cap and then maybe once we sort some stuff out and hopefully add at least 1 major piece, execute our draft pick, maybe we bring Amar'e back next year if the price is right. Let's see how he plays (I think he's gonna play well), how he holds up, etc.. He very well may have infinitely more value by the deadline than what's being discussed here. No rush to deal him now. If the idea is really to win this year, have a competitive season, make the playoffs and try to make some noise, etc., we have a better chance with Amar'e still in the fold I feel.

I'm on your side with this. good post.

I don't see how this trade is a good trade for either team.

This is my sentiment exactly. Amar'e was money from the mid range game 2/3 years ago. If he can regain that, he has a role to play on a winning team.

jrodmc wrote:What exactly makes Amare tough, at this point in his career? His way with fire extinguishers? It's been 4 years since Amare was NBA tough.

I would hope Philly makes this trade and would be dumb enough to give us a great 1st round pick. But I don't think Dolan has any controlling interest in the Sixers.

Guys are big fans of his...

what do we need Amare to do? Stick a mid range jumper? Bargs and Quincy Acy Got that covered. Both of those guys are more mobile don't have to change their games. We also don't need a center because Dalembert and Cole are holding it down. Jason smith is the floater right now cuz he hadn't played yet. He could fill in the blanks.

So we don't need Amare...we got a guy like Travis wear in the wings as well. Tko for Amare

franco12 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

jrodmc wrote:What exactly makes Amare tough, at this point in his career? His way with fire extinguishers? It's been 4 years since Amare was NBA tough.

I would hope Philly makes this trade and would be dumb enough to give us a great 1st round pick. But I don't think Dolan has any controlling interest in the Sixers.

Guys are big fans of his...

what do we need Amare to do? Stick a mid range jumper? Bargs and Quincy Acy Got that covered. Both of those guys are more mobile don't have to change their games. We also don't need a center because Dalembert and Cole are holding it down. Jason smith is the floater right now cuz he hadn't played yet. He could fill in the blanks.

So we don't need Amare...we got a guy like Travis wear in the wings as well. Tko for Amare

do you want to bet money on either Bargs or Quincy Acy being able to hit big shots in the play offs?

Pressure on, I'll take Amar'e every day.

Now- I will agree that we probably have too many dubious, overlapping parts on the roster.

And given that this team is more rebuilding than contending, keeping someone like a Travis Wear over Amar'e might, if the numbers dictate, be the better move.

But why trade Amar'e & 3 Million dollars just for a player we would release and a second round pick? Because we could just release Amar'e ourselves - probably save some dough & buy a better 2nd round pick for less.

We'd be changing the culture. Amare keeps talking about himself in interviews. We need guys talking about team. I personally have Amare out of the big man rotation already. What if that's what Fisher Sees Too? Amare on the bench when he had all start and hall of fame goals? Not gonna fly too well.

But today -- for every STAT dunk or spinning jump hook or 15 foot face-up jumper --- you get a travel, or a bad pass or a missed defensive assignment, a slow reaction to a high screen and roll, a turnover or some other net-negative player.

At this point in his career (on this Knick team) I think STAT is a net-negative player.

Put him on the Spurs and he'll probably look like SuperMan but with the Knicks - his weaknesses always seemed magnified.