knicks1248 wrote:when we looked loss last season and loss to boston by 30, i said we are in big trouble, and all i heard was, "ITS A MEANINGLESS preseason game..We were in preseason mode until the all star break.

But if were able to bounce back in our next game, i'll feel much better. It looks like brad went in and said these fckrs look lost, just keep pushing the ball and swarming them..cmon 28 turnovers

the difference is this year we looked terrible because its a new system and we have several new rotation players, last year we brought back the same team and the same coach running the same offense as the year prior and still looked lost and confused, you're right though fish can only play the "its just one preseason game" card once after that there's probably some other reason that needs to be addressed.

CrushAlot wrote:

misterearl wrote:"When we start to reach our goals and objectives, we won't remember the score from the first preseason game." - Derek Fisher

Awesome quote. Nice to keep things in perspective. I predict the Celts get smoked on Saturday.

I would be shocked. This is going to be a major work in progress

misterearl wrote:Pre Season Word Salad

F500ONE wrote:I don't think other teams
Want to start off losing their
First preseason game so they can reflect back yrs later
Brad Stevens probably told his team they have goals too
Starting with winning your first preseason game

F500ONE - the Knicks roster has been together for a week, installing a new system, and you are counting pre season wins as essential?

That is just plain crazy talk. Rotations need to be established and men need to get acquainted, (and learn to trust) in battle.

Please get a grip. It will be at least January before the new system becomes intuitive.

HMM I dont see basketball as rocket science. Travis Wear played exactly 0 NBA minutes but looked more fluid and in tune than some guys who have made tens of millions of $$. I dont see why it wouldnt take 10 adult people 2 weeks to learn how to play a system of basketball. If you cant grasp something simple after two weeks you wont grasp it 3 months later. In Phil Jackson's first year with the Lakers they won 67 games and a championship. Doesnt seem like they had to wait 3-4 months to get anything down. Saying it takes lengthy time is excuse for we dont have the players.

nixluva wrote:It no longer bothers me that the naysayers have already jumped ship. Mark Jackson once got in trouble saying somethin about Rats and ships. The naysayers couldn't wait for the 1st poor performance or underperforming stretch of games. The naysayers don't think coaching means a damn and think it's all about players. It's a combination of all aspects of the franchise. The quality of players but also the coaching and leadership. For this team there is a major shift in the approach on both ends of the floor. It seems fair to give it time to fully set in. This isn't a sprint...

the knicks have to win 45-46 games and have a strong showing in the playoffs. that is the perspective to keep in mind. if a knucklehead in the rotation says it'll be until january when the squad gets it then guess what-- that's 30 regular-season games.

if this knucklehead is speaking accurately about the offense and the knicks defense is substandard-- a given really-- what do you predict the record will be as of january 1st?

last season it was 10-20. care to hazard a guess about the record this season? last season it would have meant going 35-17 from january 1st forward, or finally clicking to go .667 the rest of the way.

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

nixluva wrote:It no longer bothers me that the naysayers have already jumped ship. Mark Jackson once got in trouble saying somethin about Rats and ships. The naysayers couldn't wait for the 1st poor performance or underperforming stretch of games. The naysayers don't think coaching means a damn and think it's all about players. It's a combination of all aspects of the franchise. The quality of players but also the coaching and leadership. For this team there is a major shift in the approach on both ends of the floor. It seems fair to give it time to fully set in. This isn't a sprint...

the knicks have to win 45-46 games and have a strong showing in the playoffs. that is the perspective to keep in mind. if a knucklehead in the rotation says it'll be until january when the squad gets it then guess what-- that's 30 regular-season games.

if this knucklehead is speaking accurately about the offense and the knicks defense is substandard-- a given really-- what do you predict the record will be as of january 1st?

last season it was 10-20. care to hazard a guess about the record this season? last season it would have meant going 35-17 from january 1st forward, or finally clicking to go .667 the rest of the way.

Fisher said it could take up to 8 weeks.

"I do think collectively as a group, we can expect to take several weeks," he said. "Whether it's four weeks, six weeks, eight weeks, I'm not sure. A lot of it is how guys come together as a team, and I think in a large way, that's the most important part."

8 weeks still puts us at january 1st. anyone want to hazard a guess about the record as of january 1st now that both the knucklehead and the rookie coach have weighed in?

Oct 29, 2014
8:00 PM ET      VS Chicago
Oct 30, 2014
8:00 PM ET	@ Cleveland
Nov 2, 2014
7:30 PM ET	VS Charlotte
Nov 4, 2014
7:30 PM ET	VS Washington
Nov 5, 2014
7:30 PM ET	@ Detroit
Nov 7, 2014
7:30 PM ET	@ Brooklyn
Nov 8, 2014
7:30 PM ET	@Atlanta
Nov 10, 2014
7:30 PM ET	VS Atlanta
Nov 12, 2014
7:30 PM ET	VS Orlando
Nov 14, 2014
7:30 PM ET	VS Utah
Nov 16, 2014
1:00 PM ET	VS Denver
Nov 18, 2014
8:00 PM ET	@ Milwaukee
Nov 19, 2014
8:00 PM ET	@ Minnesota
Nov 22, 2014
7:30 PM ET	VS Philadelphia
Nov 24, 2014
8:00 PM ET	@ Houston
Nov 26, 2014
7:30 PM ET	@ Dallas
Nov 28, 2014
8:00 PM ET	@ Oklahoma City
Nov 30, 2014
7:30 PM ET	VS Miami
Dec 2, 2014
7:30 PM ET	VS Brooklyn
Dec 4, 2014
8:00 PM ET	VS Cleveland
Dec 5, 2014
7:00 PM ET	@Charlotte
Dec 7, 2014
7:30 PM ET	VSPortland
Dec 9, 2014
8:00 PM ET	@New Orleans
Dec 10, 2014
8:00 PM ET	@San Antonio
Dec 12, 2014
7:30 PM ET	@Boston
Dec 14, 2014
7:30 PM ET	VSToronto
Dec 16, 2014
8:00 PM ET	VSDallas
Dec 18, 2014
8:00 PM ET	@Chicago
Dec 20, 2014
1:00 PM ET	VSPhoenix
Dec 21, 2014
3:30 PM ET	@Toronto
Dec 25, 2014
12:00 PM ET	VSWashington
Dec 27, 2014
10:00 PM ET	@Sacramento
Dec 28, 2014
9:00 PM ET	@Portland
Dec 31, 2014
6:00 PM ET	@L.A. Clippers

17 games at home and only 13 games on the road by my count-- very kind scheduling but a lot of playoff-caliber teams which is not kind. with the ongoing leadership vacuum i can see the whole thing falling apart unless fisher can maintain belief as a corollary of culture change.

i can see them losing as many as 23 games if i am an outright pessimist but since i am not i can see a 11-19 or 12-18 record.

does this guesstimate constitute naysaying?

Enjoy the ride.

Stop whining.

misterearl wrote:If Fisher says it will take up to eight weeks, it will take up to eight weeks.

Enjoy the ride.

Stop whining.

i didn't detect any whining. take a look at the schedule and make a prediction.

BRIGGS wrote:

misterearl wrote:Pre Season Word Salad

F500ONE wrote:I don't think other teams
Want to start off losing their
First preseason game so they can reflect back yrs later
Brad Stevens probably told his team they have goals too
Starting with winning your first preseason game

F500ONE - the Knicks roster has been together for a week, installing a new system, and you are counting pre season wins as essential?

That is just plain crazy talk. Rotations need to be established and men need to get acquainted, (and learn to trust) in battle.

Please get a grip. It will be at least January before the new system becomes intuitive.

HMM I dont see basketball as rocket science. Travis Wear played exactly 0 NBA minutes but looked more fluid and in tune than some guys who have made tens of millions of $$. I dont see why it wouldnt take 10 adult people 2 weeks to learn how to play a system of basketball. If you cant grasp something simple after two weeks you wont grasp it 3 months later. In Phil Jackson's first year with the Lakers they won 67 games and a championship. Doesnt seem like they had to wait 3-4 months to get anything down. Saying it takes lengthy time is excuse for we dont have the players.

Melo said after one his first conversations with Phil

He handed him a playbook on the triangle

And said study it

First game of preseason Melo's

Still jab steppin high post and

Doing bounce back dribbles ISO chucks

Same with Amar'e going mano-a-mano

Against Brandon Bass in the post

J.R. Smith it's as if he was on Rucker's Island

Both thinking about getting theirs and potential big payday

You're exactly right Travis Wear looked like

A guy who gets it, because he has IT

I said early on this is the wrong system for this roster

It will work once we quarantine and eradicate some of the disease(s)