gunsnewing wrote:I agree. I like that extra effort if being put into teaching defense. And not no gimmicky Michael J. Woodson defense.

Not enough switching for my liking!

http://www.msg.com/shows/spike-lee-what-is-the-triangle-offense/triangle-offense-tutorial.html

EDITOR'S NOTE:
Catch "What is the Triangle Offense: A Spike Lee Orange and Blue Skies Joint" Friday, Oct 24 at 10:30 PM on MSG.

ARE THERE NO "SET" POSITIONS WITHIN THIS FORMATION?

That is partially true. The offense calls for two post players and three perimeter players. While that is similar to most starting lineups, no one is pigeonholed in one particular spot.

WHAT MAKES IT DIFFERENT THAN OTHER OFFENSES?

As opposed to most offenses that run set plays and put the pressure on defenses, the triangle philosophy is different. In the triangle offense, a team creates constant ball movement to see how the opposing defense reacts and then operates based off the defensive formation. There are counters for just about everything the defense could show.
WHAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PRINCIPLE TO THE TRIANGLE?

Spacing is probably the most important principle of the triangle. There should always be three players that form a triangle. Players should be about 15-20 feet away from each other. Proper spacing makes it hard for the defense to defend the whole court, which in turn should create easy looks when the defense tries to help or trap. Spacing is also beneficial for when the shot clock is running down, giving the player with the ball plenty of space to create for themselves/teammates.
DOES THE TRIANGLE FEATURE PICK-AND-ROLLS?

Yes it can, but the main goal of the pick-and-roll in the triangle is to create mismatches and draw double-teams.

WHAT TYPES OF TRAITS ARE IDEAL FOR PLAYERS IN THE TRIANGLE?

Players that are versatile, have a high basketball IQ, unselfish and can score in isolation should all theoretically thrive in this offense.

HOW DID IT ORIGINATE?

The key ideas of the system were created by Sam Barry, then the coach at the University of Southern California, in the first half of the 20th century. One of Barry's players, Tex Winter, went on to further develop the concept at Kansas State University before bringing it to the NBA in the 70's as the coach of the Houston Rockets. When Phil Jackson became coach of the Bulls in 1989, Winter was an assistant coach and helped Jackson implement it.

HOW SUCCESSFUL HAS IT BEEN?

Phil Jackson has won 11 championships running the triangle, with Knicks head coach Derek Fisher point-guarding five of those championship teams.
DO ANY OTHER TEAMS CURRENTLY RUN THE TRIANGLE OFFENSE?

The Golden State Warriors, under new coach Steve Kerr, who played for Phil Jackson with the Bulls, are expected to run parts of the triangle offense.

For more about the triangle offense, we recommend reading this breakdown of specific triangle sets or watching this in-depth video. But mainly, Spike Lee will have it all covered Friday, Oct 24 at 10:30 PM on MSG Network.

GALLERY: FAMOUS FACES OF THE TRIANGLE OFFENSE

Jordan/Pippen/Kukoc

With some solid role players that are versatile, skilled shooters/passers/defenders/and high IQ to spread the floor

as we currently have 15 spots locked already
though trades by the deadline could free spots up

If you watch the video, you can see why Gasol was so high on Phil Jackson's #1 target this summer
It also shows why we shut done Cole Aldrich in the summer, with him showing improvements in his post up game/passing ability/ability to initiate off the post
Also why he was willing to give Odom a shot at the roster, with possibly Bynum in the future, with their knowledge of the system, will probably look to recruit Kobe after 2 seasons later when his contract ends
He will look to use the media to stir the Kobe/Jordan/Lebron debates and manipulate Kobe to consider coming to NYK for the vet min or part of a the MLE

It shows how if executed and run correctly

options MUST be open
With the constent need for player movement/ball movement/quick decisions/ability to post up/versatile talents/ floor spacing etc
with the consistent need to think/analyis match ups/anticipate open players/ our opponents DEF etc

nixluva wrote:Here ya go guys!

Thanks!

He looks somewhat Davidleeish

With cheetah like swiftness

Probably EATS Amar'e's minutes

I'm so hoping so

We have a solid rotation of BIGS, with a possible mini clone to Rodman/Faried in the development of Acey
With both Travis Wear and

Though, he lacks the quickness to play SG on defense on most nights, even SF on many nights, if you watch the drills he does
He is going to have to learn to be an efficient player versus a high volume scorer
He will have to learn to conserve his energy, get others involved, at times take some charges because he is not a shot blocker, defender, or top athlete like those STAR wings

It seems like JR Smith is going to have a break out year as well, with him bringing back to skills he learned as a 6th man of the year with Kidd on the floor
He looks like he has regained some of the speed/quickness that he missed for most of last season, I cannot tell if he has the same explosivensss/athleticism prior to his knee injury though
But he certainly seems to understand that he has to be able to create for others and will have to develop a mid range game/not being able to penetrate all the way in the system

In my opinion, it also seems like STAT and Iman are currently the black sheep of the team
With AB getting the nod at backup Center, possibly a long term rotation big even if he is traded this season, he can be brought back as he is a UFA
Or just isn't as impressive as a unit or fit for Fisher's current line up or Phil Jackson's vision of the future, though it can change within the season, especially with injuries possible

It also seems like both Wear and Sanchez being great fits and cheap solid options in our near future, either this year if we clear roster spots
Even Galloway has a chance as he does have great length for a G with his long arms

Just some comparisions or roles I see playing out from a combined Lakers/Bulls Triangle team

Calderon = Ron Harper/Brian Shaw/Fisher type of role
JR Smith = Brian Shaw/Scotty Pippen at SF type of role but without the ability to do all the same things that Pippen brought, basically saying he could provide shooting, facilitating, defense, rebounding, and steals
CA = don't want to call him Jordan but playing the alpha for now

Acey = Rodman

AB = Horry/ Poor mans Gasol if he can improve his all round game/initiate on the post/ and facilitating/passing game while using his length/quickness like Pau did

Cole Aldrich = a cheap Pau Gasol, maybe closer to Brian Williams/Wennington/Luc Longley

Jason Smith = Horace Grant

Giannis Antetokounmpo aka Tenacious = Jud Buechler

Tim Hardway JR = Kerr/Kukoc type of role, obviously without the size of them, maybe Shannon Brown's former role

Early is still developing but I don't see him being a Pippen, I do see him being a Leon Pouwe/Shane Battier type of role though, though I don't know if he will ever be able to play PF and maybe even play some G/F role if he can work on his handle/quickness/speed/abiilty to create his own shot and for others

I really like what I have seen from the team and how detailed Fisher is, explaining the philosophies from the bottom up, reworking some of the fundamentals before going in to deeper Triangle sets

Although I like Larkin and think other players such as STAT, Iman, Dalembert, being contributers this season, they are not guarantee's as part of Phil Jackson's future with the roster
As I have said in other posts, I believe Phil Jackson will eventually trade STAT to Philly with a 2020 or 2022 (if possible) 1st rounder and 2nd rounders, with us acquiring some assets from some of the above if presentable

I also believe that Phil Jackson will target Durant in a trade with the trade exemption gained by sending STAT to Philly, though he has to save enough assets to trade for Durant and need Durant to want to come to NYK by pushing a deal like Kevin Love did

just a quick possible roster for our roster of the future

Calderon
JR Smith *resigned with close to full MLE this summer, could potentially be one of our backup PG's in this system as a spot up shooter and has the ability to facilitate shown in his 6th man of the year*
CA
Durant *with a deal being made closer to 2015/16's trade deadline or on draft night but fully announced later though agreed upon earlier, as we will have 1 year to use a trade exemption if we do trade STAT to Philly, also we must make NYK an attractive/talented roster that plays TEAM BALL, that will be contenders next season so players like Ray Allen, Marion, KG, or whatever, will come for the vet min*

We could deal the draft rights for our 2015 pick, along with 2018 1st rounder, 2018 and after 2nd rounders, and any other asset's we may acquire in the future

Cole Aldrich *will be resigned, as he is earning the vet min this year, and we will have his early bird rights, a move that would put us over the top to get the MLE, as he also has a low cap hold*

Larkin *could go with or without him*
Tim Hardaway JR

Tenacious *could be starter if he works hard, he has quite a high ceiling and tremendous energy*
Early
Acey

These 3, could be potentially requested by OKC with 2 1st rounders, 2 2nd rounders, and a 20m trade exemption

Jason Smith resigned to a 2 year vet min deal *with player option for 2nd year, which would give us his early bird rights by next season, as he takes less money to play in a system that fits his skillset and potentially grow with the team, similar to what OKC did with Nick Collison, paying him more first, then less as he got older, which is a solid role player
It would explain why we used the 3m MLE on Jason Smith this year, Phil Jackson thinking of a realistic cheap option/role player for our future, in a sense overpaying for him in year 1 which is this year

AB resigned to a cap friendly deal, like 2-3m per year, on a 2year deal

OUTLAW, STAT, Dalembert will all have to impress Fisher/Phil Jackson, depending on other moves, though at the vet min, especially STAT if he is traded, allowing him to rejoin The Knick's as he started it all in 2010 when no one else wanted to come, giving him a chance to win a ring on the bench but I see Outlaw contributing this year on a contract year as well, his length could be usefull to use against Lebron/Paul George/Wiggons/ DeRozan/ Rudy Gay, possibly even other positions like James Johnson was used last year on multiple players with his length/athleticism, especially if they see him as a fit with Tenacious/Acey

Off Season moves next summer

Front Office
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Brian Shaw added to our coaching staff, if he is mutually let go by Denver who would have experience as head coach and lead assistant, with a high paying job
Adding some of development coaches that were previously players to help develop the skills that would translate, though not necessarily former Triangle students

Robert Horry/ Rasheed Wallace *who had a great impact on CA and is one of the players that has tremendous respect still with players, with his ability to stretch the floor, post up, defend, rebound/blcok shots, score, understood how to play with and without the ball, fundamentals on footwork/fakes/position etc

Scotty Pippen/Kukoc/Battier, helping the development of our DEFENSE and SACRIFICING for the better of the team, with the ability to spread the floor/shoot in Kukoc

Kapono *as a shooting coach*

Billups/Ron Harper in the development of the point guard as a shooter, using their size/strength on DEF

Trainers that will work on the in game shape and ability to read the opponents defense, analyze in the game, in addition to strength/condition without giving up speed/quickness
I brought up in another post, to bring "The Professor" in who seems to be able to translate his handle/counter's/fakes of And1 Street Ball, who has mimiced some of his game of Jason Williams aka White Chocolate
In the triangle, being able to make plays, handle the ball, and create is a skill needed for all positions, I believe with the tutorials and watching him play, he can do just that as a trainer and development staff

Players, in addition to the above
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With the cap predicted to be about 68m, 5m raise each year, possibly even more with The TV DEAL's, a reason why Lebron chose a 2 year deal instead of more, because The NBA will draw even greater network deals
We could have about 30m to spend, assuming JR Smith opts out, and

Marc Gasol/Al Jefferson/Millsap/ Dragic from 10-12m deal, 4 years with raises
Rudy Gay or Monta Ellis, could be broken up for B - B+ players for 2-3 players or a Center like Asik 8m-12m, with short term deal for this type of contract, leaving room to force OKC to trade Durant to use, with the cap raising, leaving the possiblity of signing Durant as a bluff in 2017 or Noah

sign Tenacious to a 3/4 year team option deal for 3rd year, with a starting salary of about 1m versus under 500k, with either cap space or part of the MLE or LLE
JR Smith will opt out, renounce his rights, and offer most of the full MLE for him if not all, Iman could be brought back in a 2-4m range if he isn't traded to a short term deal, 2 years

players 2-4m range, especially if JR Smith leaves to another team offering more money which is a possiblity....
Either signing 2 players, breaking up the MLE which will be about 6m, or offering it for some of the below

Wesley Matthews, not sure if we would pay Gereld Green that same money

Randy Foye, has a team option, if he is let go, I can see Foye being a great fit as a player to stretch the floor in the 2-3m range

other possible players being Gereld Green, Danny Green, Draymond Green, and KJ McDaniels who signed a 1 year deal with the Sixers this off seasons gambling instead of 2 year guaranteed deal with 4 year team options

With role players willing to take less for the rest

Amir Johnson/Boozer
Speights/Hickson/MoSGoV/Koufus
Jermaine Oneil
JJ Barea
Darrius Morris/Tourre Murry
KG
Matt Barnes *team option*

Travis Wear/Sanchez signed to a 2 year vet min deal with partial guarantees, as they develop with Tencious in The D League Knicks

With Andrew Bynum being a possiblity on an unguaranteed deal with his familiarity in the Triangle and ability to score in the paint

In 2017

sign Kobe to tag along to generate revenue/fans/help guide CA/Durant in the Triangle, with a vet min offer, as money should not be a motive anymore, and creating the buzz with Kobe vs Lebron's possibly career rings, to add to his legacy, a 2 year vet min player option deal, maybe part of the MLE, and would no be surprsied if we still used it on Pau Gasol who has a player option for the 3rd year, reuniting him with Kobe/NY/Phil Jackson/Fisher, possibliy Bynum, to go along CA/Durant/Calderon, especially if we get his brother Marc

BRIGGS wrote:One of the things I come away with is we will have tremendous quality length up front. We have quality depth all over the roster and a big time player. I can easily see us with reasonable health get back somewhat close to the level of 2years ago

I agree about the depth and balance the roster has now. Phil is doing a good job of filling out the roster with meaningful role players. They have to go out and prove it but I like the makeup of the players he's been choosing. With the proper preparation and the new system I think this team can really be a legit playoff team in the East.