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9/10/2014  9:46 PM
The NBA’s Most Underrated Point Guards


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Updated: September 2, 2014

As it goes with just about everything in life, someone or something doesn’t get mentioned nearly as often as they should and are often viewed as underrated or under looked. In the music scene, for example, certain artists or bands are viewed as more talented than maybe their record sales show or which awards they lose out on at the Grammy’s.

In the NBA, there are plenty of capable players at each position and more often than not there are only a certain number of players being talked about. When it comes to the point guard position, it seems like Chris Paul, Stephen Curry, John Wall, Damian Lillard and Kyrie Irving are among the names that are mentioned most often. While those players have earned the right to dominate those conversations, there are a number of other point guards that should be receiving more praise than they are.

Here are five point guards (in no particular order) that are often overlooked and deserve to be talked about more:

Mike Conley, Memphis Grizzlies – Conley has been climbing the ranks in the NBA ever since he began his career seven seasons ago. Conley has had steady improvement in points per game and field goal percentage in just about each of his seven seasons in the league and remains a big part of the Grizzlies’ success. Conley’s improvement is the result of relentless work watching game film and a better understanding of what it takes to win and to play well.

Conley showed last season the ability to become a great player on the both sides of the ball as he increased his points per game from 14.6 points per game two seasons ago to 17.2 points per game last season. A big part of that increase was due to Conley shooting a career-high 45 percent from the field and 36 percent from three-point range. The improvement on the offensive side of the ball complements his ability to play on the other end of the court. Conley has long been known as a defensive-minded point guard as he earned a spot on the All-Defensive Second Team two seasons while averaging 2.18 steals per game.

It was Conley’s Grizzlies that nearly pulled off an improbable upset of the second-seeded Oklahoma City Thunder in last season’s playoffs. Conley averaged nearly 16 points and eight assists in that series, including a near triple-double of 19 points, 12 assists and seven rebounds in Game 2. Conley will be entering next season coming off of another great showing during the playoffs.

Jose Calderon, New York Knicks – With Calderon in New York City now, the Knicks may very well be a much improved team just by adding his services. The Knicks have long missed a point guard that can run the show and Calderon adds superb passing, shooting and a veteran presence. Calderon is a career 48 percent shooter from the field, including 46 percent last season in Dallas. He finished second among qualified point guards in three-point shooting by shooting 46 percent from beyond the arc. Perhaps one of the most important stats that stands out is Calderon’s 3.66 assists per turnover, which was third in the league last season behind only Chris Paul and Pablo Prigioni.

Sharing the court with Carmelo Anthony this season may have an effect on his numbers, but Calderon shared the court with Monta Ellis last season in Dallas and still managed to remain effective. Knicks head coach Derek Fisher will be able to get Calderon plenty of open looks in the triangle offense from behind the arc and his play could even mimic that of Fisher. Calderon isn’t a player that will light it up with a ton of points, but he is a player that consistently remains one of the most effective in the league and could be one of the Knicks’ unsung heroes by the end of the season.

Ty Lawson, Denver Nuggets – It’s hard to imagine a player with averages of 17.6 points, 8.8 assists and 3.5 rebounds per game getting overlooked much, but that’s exactly what has happened to Lawson. With so much of the conversation focused on Chris Paul, Stephen Curry and Kyrie Irving, it’s easy to see how Lawson is overlooked. Much like Mike Conley, Lawson has shown steady improvement in each year in the league. Lawson’s 17.6 points per game was good for 10th-best in the league and his 8.8 assists per game were tied for second-most in the league with Kendall Marshall and John Wall.

When Lawson has been healthy he has proven to be a top-10 point guard. The problem has been that he has battled injuries throughout his career and hasn’t completed a full season in his five seasons in the league, but he still hasn’t missed more than 21 games in a season. With Kenneth Faried having a great summer playing with Team USA and the Nuggets bringing Arron Afflalo back, the Nuggets should begin the season healthy and have the opportunity to compete for a playoff spot which will help Lawson’s chances of entering the conversation among the league’s best point guards.

Tony Parker, San Antonio Spurs – Of course no underrated point guard list is complete without listing Parker. The 13-year veteran is still dropping 16.7 points on nearly 50 percent shooting (best in the league among point guards) and 5.7 assists on a nightly basis and is just two seasons removed from averaging 20.3 points and 7.6 assists per game. At this point in Parker’s career, there should be no reason that he is being overlooked among the league’s best point guards. Parker has led the Spurs to four titles during his 13 seasons and has made the playoffs in each of those 13 seasons. In comparison, Chris Paul has yet to advance past the second-round of the playoffs and Paul is widely considered the best point guard in the league.

Goran Dragic, Phoenix Suns – The Suns were under no pressure last season to make the playoffs, but nearly locked in a playoff spot largely in part to Dragic’s season. The Most Improved Player of the Year increased his scoring from 14.7 to 20.3 points per game, which was the result of shooting 51 percent from the field and 41 percent from three-point range. The most impressive thing with Dragic’s improvement last season is that his role mostly remained the same with the Suns. His minutes only increased on average by two per game from the previous season but he still made significant jumps in key statistical areas. It’ll be tough to predict whether or not Dragic is in store for another season like that with Eric Bledsoe remaining on the team (for now) and the arrival of Isaiah Thomas, but teams will surely be watching Dragic whenever he’s on the floor.

Last season proved that there are point guards capable of being effective without having to score 20-25 points per game like Stephen Curry, Damian Lillard and Kyrie Irving. These players have proven that the top point guard conversations should be expanded to include 8-10 players, rather than the same four or five players.

Which point guards do you think should be included as most underrated in the NBA? Let us know below!

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9/10/2014  11:56 PM
I concur with the thrust of this article! . Really tho it was IMO a great move by PJax to get such great value for essentially 2 players that didn't really fit into the way this team plans to play. Regardless of how some try to compare Felton vs Jose it remains clear that Jose is a far superior shooter and passer. Jose is a more efficient player and last year playing with volume shooter Monta Ellis he STILL was highly efficient at a 120 offensive rating!!!

Even with Jose being a poor defender he is still a plus 8 in efficiency. Felton was a minus 8 last year. Jose proved he could still be effective despite not being the primary ball handler. We also gain a higher BB IQ which was a huge problem. Sure with Kidd on the floor or Prigs it made up for Felton's lack of BB IQ, but it is great to go from Jose to Prigs to Larkin who all have good PG instincts. We will have great shooting and passing and yes poor D from Jose but at least he's excellent at things the team will need offensively. Just gotta get him to play a role he can handle defensively. Perhaps use more ball pressure early.

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9/11/2014  9:07 AM
It's a travesty that Lin is does not appear on that list!

Calderon’s 3.66 assists per turnover, which was third in the league last season behind only Chris Paul and Pablo Prigioni.

Will now wait to read about how assists per turnover is a totally useless, archaic stat, since two Knicks are on the leaderboard.

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9/11/2014  12:31 PM
I think Calderon is a case of guy who has been underrated for so long that he is now being overrated lol. Also have a hard time seeing how Dragic is underrated at this point. Everyone knows he's good. He just plays in a conference loaded with PGs. Jeff Teague is someone I consider underrated along with Kemba Walker. Isaiah Thomas is another guy who gets overlooked.
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9/11/2014  6:23 PM
jrodmc wrote:It's a travesty that Lin is does not appear on that list!

Calderon’s 3.66 assists per turnover, which was third in the league last season behind only Chris Paul and Pablo Prigioni.

Will now wait to read about how assists per turnover is a totally useless, archaic stat, since two Knicks are on the leaderboard.

Apparently he is still being underrated.
Byron Scott has four of the five players penciled in for his Lakers starting unit, which includes both Steve Nash and Carlos Boozer.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/lakers-starting-lineup-features-steve-155253654.html
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9/11/2014  7:30 PM    LAST EDITED: 9/11/2014  7:30 PM
jrodmc wrote:It's a travesty that Lin is does not appear on that list!

Calderon’s 3.66 assists per turnover, which was third in the league last season behind only Chris Paul and Pablo Prigioni.

Will now wait to read about how assists per turnover is a totally useless, archaic stat, since two Knicks are on the leaderboard.

It will be an epic struggle to see who's higher on the list; Jeremy or Ray

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9/11/2014  7:36 PM
Bledsoe should also be on the list, along with Lowry
Though he was injured last season I think Jrue Holiday and MKW should have consideration, also with Lilliard
I have Elfrid Payton being this year's ROY, as a triple double threat, as a BIG PG

I don't see why there is a need to knock Lin on this thread
As for Lin, he is the best PG right now on the Lakers, much better than Nash, Kendall Marshall, and combo guard Jordan Clarkson

In response to Jrod, he always feels the need to bring up past Knick players for low blows every chance he gets, stop the trolling and stick with the topic
Houston traded Lin, along with Asik, for the chance to solidify another max player to go with Harden, D12, Chandler Parsons, role players Terrence Jones, Patrick Beverely, a MLE pickup, DMO, and Jeff Adrien
They knew they only had 3 days to make a decision and had to free up their salary cap in order to offer a contract to a MAX player
After using Lin's number, 7, to persue CA, it was inevitable to trade him

They were unable to convince CA, Lebron, and even Bosh to join them, but if they did, it would have been a dynasty built with signing FA's, and asset's/draft picks attained
Not sure if our draft pick in Kostas Papanikolaou would have signed for just the MINI MLE, who is making 4.8m, 4.6m (2nd year), for a 2-3 year deal (team option in 3rd I believe)
He shot 50% from 3pt range in Euro League and is one of the better players in Europe, age 22, and is a 6-9 SF, who will replace Chandler Parsons role among with Trevor Ariza

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9/11/2014  7:37 PM
Caldeorn is most underrated #1
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9/12/2014  9:56 AM    LAST EDITED: 9/12/2014  9:57 AM
RonRon wrote:I don't see why there is a need to knock Lin on this thread
As for Lin, he is the best PG right now on the Lakers, much better than Nash, Kendall Marshall, and combo guard Jordan Clarkson

In response to Jrod, he always feels the need to bring up past Knick players for low blows every chance he gets, stop the trolling and stick with the topic
Houston traded Lin, along with Asik, for the chance to solidify another max player to go with Harden, D12, Chandler Parsons, role players Terrence Jones, Patrick Beverely, a MLE pickup, DMO, and Jeff Adrien
They knew they only had 3 days to make a decision and had to free up their salary cap in order to offer a contract to a MAX player
After using Lin's number, 7, to persue CA, it was inevitable to trade him

Here's some ideas RonRon:
1) how about you stop your overblown police posting directions to other posters? I need your permission to knock a player?
2) Stick to typing out 14 paragraph posts, and stop worrying about what needs I feel. Linlove is annoying and DLee never played any D. What else you got on me, officer?
3) You sound much more intelligent clicking out trade and salary specifics, while making yourself look stupid by touting the worth of your $24mil backup PG who got outplayed by said "role player" Patrick Beverly.
4) Houston had to use a #1 pick to unload your boy.
5) The thread's about a PG list, Lin isn't on said list. See how that's on topic?

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9/12/2014  10:48 AM
IronWillGiroud wrote:Caldeorn is most underrated #1

But deservedly so- his teams have performed pretty badly over the years. I think last year with the Mavs was the first year he had a winning team (could be wrong- I forget how bad those Raptor teams were). It might just have been a case of his teammates being bad, but that's the one thing that makes me wary of him.

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9/12/2014  11:09 AM    LAST EDITED: 9/12/2014  11:13 AM
jrodmc wrote:
RonRon wrote:I don't see why there is a need to knock Lin on this thread
As for Lin, he is the best PG right now on the Lakers, much better than Nash, Kendall Marshall, and combo guard Jordan Clarkson

In response to Jrod, he always feels the need to bring up past Knick players for low blows every chance he gets, stop the trolling and stick with the topic
Houston traded Lin, along with Asik, for the chance to solidify another max player to go with Harden, D12, Chandler Parsons, role players Terrence Jones, Patrick Beverely, a MLE pickup, DMO, and Jeff Adrien
They knew they only had 3 days to make a decision and had to free up their salary cap in order to offer a contract to a MAX player
After using Lin's number, 7, to persue CA, it was inevitable to trade him

Here's some ideas RonRon:
1) how about you stop your overblown police posting directions to other posters? I need your permission to knock a player?
2) Stick to typing out 14 paragraph posts, and stop worrying about what needs I feel. Linlove is annoying and DLee never played any D. What else you got on me, officer?
3) You sound much more intelligent clicking out trade and salary specifics, while making yourself look stupid by touting the worth of your $24mil backup PG who got outplayed by said "role player" Patrick Beverly.
4) Houston had to use a #1 pick to unload your boy.
5) The thread's about a PG list, Lin isn't on said list. See how that's on topic?


this isn't the first time, you consistently take cheap shots at ex Knick players any chance you get
It is the definition of "TROLLING" it isn't needed, nor am I the police
At times you do make some good posts but I am just saying, you don't have to constantly take cheap shots and it is part of the reason why the circle of attacks goes back and forth

You brought up Lin to take a cheap shot at him and his supporters
You do the same with Gallo/MosGoV or whoever, always causing drama when not even needed, keep it at basketball

All I sam saying is,
Same with you, same with TFK akd DKTH, let it go

Also don't act "TOUGH" behind a moniter

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9/12/2014  11:53 AM
RonRon wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
RonRon wrote:I don't see why there is a need to knock Lin on this thread
As for Lin, he is the best PG right now on the Lakers, much better than Nash, Kendall Marshall, and combo guard Jordan Clarkson

In response to Jrod, he always feels the need to bring up past Knick players for low blows every chance he gets, stop the trolling and stick with the topic
Houston traded Lin, along with Asik, for the chance to solidify another max player to go with Harden, D12, Chandler Parsons, role players Terrence Jones, Patrick Beverely, a MLE pickup, DMO, and Jeff Adrien
They knew they only had 3 days to make a decision and had to free up their salary cap in order to offer a contract to a MAX player
After using Lin's number, 7, to persue CA, it was inevitable to trade him

Here's some ideas RonRon:
1) how about you stop your overblown police posting directions to other posters? I need your permission to knock a player?
2) Stick to typing out 14 paragraph posts, and stop worrying about what needs I feel. Linlove is annoying and DLee never played any D. What else you got on me, officer?
3) You sound much more intelligent clicking out trade and salary specifics, while making yourself look stupid by touting the worth of your $24mil backup PG who got outplayed by said "role player" Patrick Beverly.
4) Houston had to use a #1 pick to unload your boy.
5) The thread's about a PG list, Lin isn't on said list. See how that's on topic?


this isn't the first time, you consistently take cheap shots at ex Knick players any chance you get
It is the definition of "TROLLING" it isn't needed, nor am I the police
At times you do make some good posts but I am just saying, you don't have to constantly take cheap shots and it is part of the reason why the circle of attacks goes back and forth

You brought up Lin to take a cheap shot at him and his supporters
You do the same with Gallo/MosGoV or whoever, always causing drama when not even needed, keep it at basketball

All I sam saying is,
Same with you, same with TFK akd DKTH, let it go

Also don't act "TOUGH" behind a moniter

Ha! You tell 'em Ron Ron!

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9/12/2014  12:11 PM
RonRon wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
RonRon wrote:I don't see why there is a need to knock Lin on this thread
As for Lin, he is the best PG right now on the Lakers, much better than Nash, Kendall Marshall, and combo guard Jordan Clarkson

In response to Jrod, he always feels the need to bring up past Knick players for low blows every chance he gets, stop the trolling and stick with the topic
Houston traded Lin, along with Asik, for the chance to solidify another max player to go with Harden, D12, Chandler Parsons, role players Terrence Jones, Patrick Beverely, a MLE pickup, DMO, and Jeff Adrien
They knew they only had 3 days to make a decision and had to free up their salary cap in order to offer a contract to a MAX player
After using Lin's number, 7, to persue CA, it was inevitable to trade him

Here's some ideas RonRon:
1) how about you stop your overblown police posting directions to other posters? I need your permission to knock a player?
2) Stick to typing out 14 paragraph posts, and stop worrying about what needs I feel. Linlove is annoying and DLee never played any D. What else you got on me, officer?
3) You sound much more intelligent clicking out trade and salary specifics, while making yourself look stupid by touting the worth of your $24mil backup PG who got outplayed by said "role player" Patrick Beverly.
4) Houston had to use a #1 pick to unload your boy.
5) The thread's about a PG list, Lin isn't on said list. See how that's on topic?


this isn't the first time, you consistently take cheap shots at ex Knick players any chance you get
It is the definition of "TROLLING" it isn't needed, nor am I the police
At times you do make some good posts but I am just saying, you don't have to constantly take cheap shots and it is part of the reason why the circle of attacks goes back and forth

You brought up Lin to take a cheap shot at him and his supporters
You do the same with Gallo/MosGoV or whoever, always causing drama when not even needed, keep it at basketball

All I sam saying is,
Same with you, same with TFK akd DKTH, let it go

Also don't act "TOUGH" behind a moniter

RonRon, normally, I enjoy your posts, when they're less than a full page long, so please take this as constructive criticism, and maybe you might want to read my posts before responding.

No one said it was the first time; again, I don't need your permission to knock a player, do I? Or do I? Talking about how seemingly overrated a particular PG, whether ex-Knick or not, was, the last time I checked, considered "keeping it basketball". Or maybe you have rules for when talking about a basketball player's perceived skillset is not considered talking basketball? I am not saying Lin is a bad person, that I hate his face, that he plays some version of wussyball from the 1960's, that he's a greedy bastid or that when he was here, those 2 weeks weren't stunning. Kobe's quote is still one of the best lines I've heard about a Knick in years. I can disagree with you and Lin's supporters that he's overrated as a basketball player. As Crush pointed out, and despite your opinion, Byron Scott's got him behind 57 year old Steve Nash on the depth chart.

I brought up Lin because it's a listing about PG's, and if Lin's skillset was as stellar as some supporters on here would make it out to be, you would think Lin would be somewhere on the list instead of our boy Prigs, right? See the basketball stuff there?

The list obviously has alot to do with the importance and measurement of turnovers, but rather than refute any of my points, you go on a panty-bunching rant.

I comment about Gallo on the endless threads that mention the Melo trade, I talk about Moz when people opine endlessly about the mistake we made letting him go 4 effing years ago. This is a Knicks board, I respond to posts as I see and actually read them. Read things a little closer and you'll see I don't bring the drama for the sake of drama. I have a strong, demented John Sterling-type Knicks opinion. Sue me. Or ignore me. Just don't give me the arrogant, "please don't post that because I disagree with your take on things."

Also you just might notice that you're one typing in "CAPS", tough guy.

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9/12/2014  1:55 PM
LinSanity was unsustainable at any price. At 25mil it was a bad contract.

Hate the contract, Love the kid!

In NY we'd have crushed him. He has yet to prove he could extropolate Linsanity beyond a few weeks.

In JRods Defense, he makes fun of Melo Haters by sarcastically implying Gallo/Mosgove love out of proportion.

LIke your love for Wroten, its redundat and stale by now but we all tend to take a concept a bit too far. Lord knows I do.

Linsanity now goes Hollywood and gets a crack at working with Nash. I think nobody dislikes Lin but some do take that contract a bit personal.
In two years he has not proven to live up that kind of money.

That said I'd welcome him back in a minute at a decent price are if his play can sustain. I think could play very well in the triangle.

Being of asian decent with a degree from Harvard I would imagine he is good at geometry!!! (get it, Asians good at math, From Harvard, Phish employs the "Triangle") Sarcasim.

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9/14/2014  9:37 AM
jrodmc wrote:No one said it was the first time; again, I don't need your permission to knock a player, do I? Or do I? Talking about how seemingly overrated a particular PG, whether ex-Knick or not, was, the last time I checked, considered "keeping it basketball". Or maybe you have rules for when talking about a basketball player's perceived skillset is not considered talking basketball? I am not saying Lin is a bad person, that I hate his face, that he plays some version of wussyball from the 1960's, that he's a greedy bastid or that when he was here, those 2 weeks weren't stunning. Kobe's quote is still one of the best lines I've heard about a Knick in years. I can disagree with you and Lin's supporters that he's overrated as a basketball player. As Crush pointed out, and despite your opinion, Byron Scott's got him behind 57 year old Steve Nash on the depth chart.

I brought up Lin because it's a listing about PG's, and if Lin's skillset was as stellar as some supporters on here would make it out to be, you would think Lin would be somewhere on the list instead of our boy Prigs, right? See the basketball stuff there?

The list obviously has alot to do with the importance and measurement of turnovers, but rather than refute any of my points, you go on a panty-bunching rant.

I don't think so. Not that it matters, I don't think it needs policing, but don't pretend to be simply talking objective basketball. There's no way in hell that Lin could EVER be considered underrated after being a global sensation and appearing on the cover of Sports Illustrated, among others. You wanted to take a shot at him and did. So what. At least own that.

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jrodmc wrote:No one said it was the first time; again, I don't need your permission to knock a player, do I? Or do I? Talking about how seemingly overrated a particular PG, whether ex-Knick or not, was, the last time I checked, considered "keeping it basketball". Or maybe you have rules for when talking about a basketball player's perceived skillset is not considered talking basketball? I am not saying Lin is a bad person, that I hate his face, that he plays some version of wussyball from the 1960's, that he's a greedy bastid or that when he was here, those 2 weeks weren't stunning. Kobe's quote is still one of the best lines I've heard about a Knick in years. I can disagree with you and Lin's supporters that he's overrated as a basketball player. As Crush pointed out, and despite your opinion, Byron Scott's got him behind 57 year old Steve Nash on the depth chart.

I brought up Lin because it's a listing about PG's, and if Lin's skillset was as stellar as some supporters on here would make it out to be, you would think Lin would be somewhere on the list instead of our boy Prigs, right? See the basketball stuff there?

The list obviously has alot to do with the importance and measurement of turnovers, but rather than refute any of my points, you go on a panty-bunching rant.

I don't think so. Not that it matters, I don't think it needs policing, but don't pretend to be simply talking objective basketball. There's no way in hell that Lin could EVER be considered underrated after being a global sensation and appearing on the cover of Sports Illustrated, among others. You wanted to take a shot at him and did. So what. At least own that.

I think I did own taking a shot at Lin. See the big words? I took a shot because he's not on the list. End of story.

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9/15/2014  10:15 AM    LAST EDITED: 9/15/2014  10:16 AM
jrodmc wrote:
RonRon wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
RonRon wrote:I don't see why there is a need to knock Lin on this thread
As for Lin, he is the best PG right now on the Lakers, much better than Nash, Kendall Marshall, and combo guard Jordan Clarkson

In response to Jrod, he always feels the need to bring up past Knick players for low blows every chance he gets, stop the trolling and stick with the topic
Houston traded Lin, along with Asik, for the chance to solidify another max player to go with Harden, D12, Chandler Parsons, role players Terrence Jones, Patrick Beverely, a MLE pickup, DMO, and Jeff Adrien
They knew they only had 3 days to make a decision and had to free up their salary cap in order to offer a contract to a MAX player
After using Lin's number, 7, to persue CA, it was inevitable to trade him

Here's some ideas RonRon:
1) how about you stop your overblown police posting directions to other posters? I need your permission to knock a player?
2) Stick to typing out 14 paragraph posts, and stop worrying about what needs I feel. Linlove is annoying and DLee never played any D. What else you got on me, officer?
3) You sound much more intelligent clicking out trade and salary specifics, while making yourself look stupid by touting the worth of your $24mil backup PG who got outplayed by said "role player" Patrick Beverly.
4) Houston had to use a #1 pick to unload your boy.
5) The thread's about a PG list, Lin isn't on said list. See how that's on topic?


this isn't the first time, you consistently take cheap shots at ex Knick players any chance you get
It is the definition of "TROLLING" it isn't needed, nor am I the police
At times you do make some good posts but I am just saying, you don't have to constantly take cheap shots and it is part of the reason why the circle of attacks goes back and forth

You brought up Lin to take a cheap shot at him and his supporters
You do the same with Gallo/MosGoV or whoever, always causing drama when not even needed, keep it at basketball

All I sam saying is,
Same with you, same with TFK akd DKTH, let it go

Also don't act "TOUGH" behind a moniter

RonRon, normally, I enjoy your posts, when they're less than a full page long, so please take this as constructive criticism, and maybe you might want to read my posts before responding.

No one said it was the first time; again, I don't need your permission to knock a player, do I? Or do I? Talking about how seemingly overrated a particular PG, whether ex-Knick or not, was, the last time I checked, considered "keeping it basketball". Or maybe you have rules for when talking about a basketball player's perceived skillset is not considered talking basketball? I am not saying Lin is a bad person, that I hate his face, that he plays some version of wussyball from the 1960's, that he's a greedy bastid or that when he was here, those 2 weeks weren't stunning. Kobe's quote is still one of the best lines I've heard about a Knick in years. I can disagree with you and Lin's supporters that he's overrated as a basketball player. As Crush pointed out, and despite your opinion, Byron Scott's got him behind 57 year old Steve Nash on the depth chart.

I brought up Lin because it's a listing about PG's, and if Lin's skillset was as stellar as some supporters on here would make it out to be, you would think Lin would be somewhere on the list instead of our boy Prigs, right? See the basketball stuff there?

The list obviously has alot to do with the importance and measurement of turnovers, but rather than refute any of my points, you go on a panty-bunching rant.

I comment about Gallo on the endless threads that mention the Melo trade, I talk about Moz when people opine endlessly about the mistake we made letting him go 4 effing years ago. This is a Knicks board, I respond to posts as I see and actually read them. Read things a little closer and you'll see I don't bring the drama for the sake of drama. I have a strong, demented John Sterling-type Knicks opinion. Sue me. Or ignore me. Just don't give me the arrogant, "please don't post that because I disagree with your take on things."

Also you just might notice that you're one typing in "CAPS", tough guy.


what was Kobe's quote that you are referring about?

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9/15/2014  11:41 AM

Reporter: "Kobe, do you think you can give Jeremy Lin any suggestions for his future?"

Kobe: "I'm not giving no damn suggestions, he only got 40 points against us he's fine."

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9/15/2014  4:59 PM
jrodmc wrote:
Panos wrote:
jrodmc wrote:No one said it was the first time; again, I don't need your permission to knock a player, do I? Or do I? Talking about how seemingly overrated a particular PG, whether ex-Knick or not, was, the last time I checked, considered "keeping it basketball". Or maybe you have rules for when talking about a basketball player's perceived skillset is not considered talking basketball? I am not saying Lin is a bad person, that I hate his face, that he plays some version of wussyball from the 1960's, that he's a greedy bastid or that when he was here, those 2 weeks weren't stunning. Kobe's quote is still one of the best lines I've heard about a Knick in years. I can disagree with you and Lin's supporters that he's overrated as a basketball player. As Crush pointed out, and despite your opinion, Byron Scott's got him behind 57 year old Steve Nash on the depth chart.

I brought up Lin because it's a listing about PG's, and if Lin's skillset was as stellar as some supporters on here would make it out to be, you would think Lin would be somewhere on the list instead of our boy Prigs, right? See the basketball stuff there?

The list obviously has alot to do with the importance and measurement of turnovers, but rather than refute any of my points, you go on a panty-bunching rant.

I don't think so. Not that it matters, I don't think it needs policing, but don't pretend to be simply talking objective basketball. There's no way in hell that Lin could EVER be considered underrated after being a global sensation and appearing on the cover of Sports Illustrated, among others. You wanted to take a shot at him and did. So what. At least own that.

I think I did own taking a shot at Lin. See the big words? I took a shot because he's not on the list. End of story.


Of course, he's not on the list! How could someone that was the subject of global "Linsanity" be UNDERrated?!

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9/16/2014  10:43 AM
Panos wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
Panos wrote:
jrodmc wrote:No one said it was the first time; again, I don't need your permission to knock a player, do I? Or do I? Talking about how seemingly overrated a particular PG, whether ex-Knick or not, was, the last time I checked, considered "keeping it basketball". Or maybe you have rules for when talking about a basketball player's perceived skillset is not considered talking basketball? I am not saying Lin is a bad person, that I hate his face, that he plays some version of wussyball from the 1960's, that he's a greedy bastid or that when he was here, those 2 weeks weren't stunning. Kobe's quote is still one of the best lines I've heard about a Knick in years. I can disagree with you and Lin's supporters that he's overrated as a basketball player. As Crush pointed out, and despite your opinion, Byron Scott's got him behind 57 year old Steve Nash on the depth chart.

I brought up Lin because it's a listing about PG's, and if Lin's skillset was as stellar as some supporters on here would make it out to be, you would think Lin would be somewhere on the list instead of our boy Prigs, right? See the basketball stuff there?

The list obviously has alot to do with the importance and measurement of turnovers, but rather than refute any of my points, you go on a panty-bunching rant.

I don't think so. Not that it matters, I don't think it needs policing, but don't pretend to be simply talking objective basketball. There's no way in hell that Lin could EVER be considered underrated after being a global sensation and appearing on the cover of Sports Illustrated, among others. You wanted to take a shot at him and did. So what. At least own that.

I think I did own taking a shot at Lin. See the big words? I took a shot because he's not on the list. End of story.


Of course, he's not on the list! How could someone that was the subject of global "Linsanity" be UNDERrated?!

Well, let's see, CBS Sports rated 31 point guards ahead of him, Hollinger rated 35 others ahead of him... and he actually doesn't even appear on any lists of OVERrated point guards!

BBAll Insiders: The NBA's Most Underrated Point Guards

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