fishmike wrote:saw that. Max deal would be overpaying but he's a great great fit in the triangle. Not much of a rim protector but a good rebounder and excellent offensive player. He's also durable. Locking him in at 26 years old (ish) would be a nice piece moving forward.

if he has a break out yr (not sure if they have enough minutes for break out statistical yr) but we can grab him for about 3 yr 40 mill

djsunyc wrote:monroe is not as good as what you would have to pay him to come. solid player but he's looking for max.

I'm not a fan of his, but him being a FA helps us whether we are interested in him or not, simply because the more players that are available, the higher the chances of us landing one we want (e.g. a competing team with cap space may target him as their first option instead of Millsap, where as if Millsap was the only PF available, every team needing a PF would target him).

gunsnewing wrote:Bledsoe for Monroe swap would be good for both Detroit and Phoenix

I don't know- the Morris brothers seem to be the kind of unspectacular players that just help their team win- I'd rather play them and Miles Plumlee than bring in Monroe (who hasn't shown he can help his team win yet)- see what Len can do too.

That is why having YOUNG talent is very important, look Brook Lopez, the Nets were able to RESIGN their rookie deals to long term contracts, and go over to CAP at the same time to gain another 5-6m MLE by next summer to add another talent

We need solid role 2nd/3rd tier talents but ALSO need ALL STAR's to go with them
How can it all fit?

A deal on NEXT seasons draft night could make it happen for Vucevic or another YOUNG talent
With the draft rights to the 2015 draft pick, another 1st rounder in 2018, along with fill ins, it could be somehow be possible especially if we can rid our 2015 contracts outside of Melo, especially with JR/Iman

On theory

In the 10-12m range start salary
if we can get

Bledsoe
Vucevic

5-6m MLE to a SF/PF like a
Wilson Chandler *team option, with a trade being more likely/ 2 2nd rounders and fill ins/trade exemption ??*
Jeff Green *preferably but don't think the MLE would be enough for him*
Thad Young type talent

Wesley Mathews seems to be the most realistic option

Battum in a trade? great versatile TEAM defender that could get hot in the 3pt line and is very skilled and long/athletic

VDesai wrote:Man...I don't understand why Monroe took the qualifying offer. He should've signed a lucrative RFA deal. If he couldn't get a good offer sheet than he's probably not getting a big contract next year. Did anyone even try to give him an offer sheet?

Seems that he was never offered a contract according to him, so he cant sign what he wasnt offered.

And likely if a team did offer him a deal, the Pistons likely would match.

But for him this could be a great move, especially if his game improves even more, the the Pistons very well could lose him for nothing.

knickscity wrote:

VDesai wrote:Man...I don't understand why Monroe took the qualifying offer. He should've signed a lucrative RFA deal. If he couldn't get a good offer sheet than he's probably not getting a big contract next year. Did anyone even try to give him an offer sheet?

Seems that he was never offered a contract according to him, so he cant sign what he wasnt offered.

And likely if a team did offer him a deal, the Pistons likely would match.

But for him this could be a great move, especially if his game improves even more, the the Pistons very well could lose him for nothing.

It sucks being a restricted free agent with a small market team, especially for players of his caliber who aren't clear max players. Detroit held him hostage and no other teams will offer knowing they will match after 3 days.

Knixkik wrote:Taking the qualifying offer in Detriot. That is a big win for us. Ensures a very good big man option next summer that we didn't expect to be there. He is a great fallback to M Gasol, and still has a ton of upside in the right system.

1) While Monroe is a rare player in todays time as a young big who has some well developed low post moves/offense for his experience level, he offers no rim protection and he cannot space the floor as a shooter. That means, along with his mobility, that he's got almost no value as a hybrid PF, he's only functional with the right kind of power forward next to him. Basically you need a player like Taj Gibson, a young athletic PF with length who can defend the rim and is a plus defender and who has a passable jump shot to pair with him.

2) He took the qualifying offer because he's betting on himself and on positional value of center in the league, he's seeking the full max for his tenure level

3) He's going to get traded by the Pistons this season. They aren't going to just let a young big walk without any compensation. While he has leverage in terms of being able to say Yes or No to a new extension with a new team ( thus changing their desire to trade for him), the Pistons still hold his Bird Rights, which is valuable to Monroe to have shipped with him to a new team versus an outright free agent signing.

For the Knicks to get Monroe, he would need to be traded to another team, which is likely, then decide to NOT resign with them ( likely breaking his word with that team and generally destroying his agent's reputation since no team will want to part assets on a rental unless they get a verbal commit to an extension) and then sign with the Knick at less than the full max possible.

I would say his chances of being a Knick are near impossible.

It's ok to be defensively limited as a big in the NBA, but you have to be able to SHOOT long range to get away with that. To be able to draw a big out to the perimeter and open up driving lanes for your slashers. Channing Frye can't defend the rim, but he's a legit Stretch 5, which makes him versatile because he can shoot.

If Monroe was a max type center, he'd have been offered a max offer sheet already.

The Knicks are better off finding a big in the draft, having those critical early cost controlled years, and develop him themselves.

The Knicks need, they desperately NEED to get past the "Let's gun for the latest name on the market" type acquisition and be willing to take the time to build through the draft.

TripleThreat wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Taking the qualifying offer in Detriot. That is a big win for us. Ensures a very good big man option next summer that we didn't expect to be there. He is a great fallback to M Gasol, and still has a ton of upside in the right system.

1) While Monroe is a rare player in todays time as a young big who has some well developed low post moves/offense for his experience level, he offers no rim protection and he cannot space the floor as a shooter. That means, along with his mobility, that he's got almost no value as a hybrid PF, he's only functional with the right kind of power forward next to him. Basically you need a player like Taj Gibson, a young athletic PF with length who can defend the rim and is a plus defender and who has a passable jump shot to pair with him.

2) He took the qualifying offer because he's betting on himself and on positional value of center in the league, he's seeking the full max for his tenure level

3) He's going to get traded by the Pistons this season. They aren't going to just let a young big walk without any compensation. While he has leverage in terms of being able to say Yes or No to a new extension with a new team ( thus changing their desire to trade for him), the Pistons still hold his Bird Rights, which is valuable to Monroe to have shipped with him to a new team versus an outright free agent signing.

For the Knicks to get Monroe, he would need to be traded to another team, which is likely, then decide to NOT resign with them ( likely breaking his word with that team and generally destroying his agent's reputation since no team will want to part assets on a rental unless they get a verbal commit to an extension) and then sign with the Knick at less than the full max possible.

I would say his chances of being a Knick are near impossible.

It's ok to be defensively limited as a big in the NBA, but you have to be able to SHOOT long range to get away with that. To be able to draw a big out to the perimeter and open up driving lanes for your slashers. Channing Frye can't defend the rim, but he's a legit Stretch 5, which makes him versatile because he can shoot.

If Monroe was a max type center, he'd have been offered a max offer sheet already.

The Knicks are better off finding a big in the draft, having those critical early cost controlled years, and develop him themselves.

The Knicks need, they desperately NEED to get past the "Let's gun for the latest name on the market" type acquisition and be willing to take the time to build through the draft.