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EnySpree
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5/27/2004  9:46 PM
I'm asking this after I posted something on that Livingston thread.

Frank according to Slam magazine(i trust their staff) Frank is somewhat of a playground legend in Illinois.

I've been seeing clips of him on the net and my dad found this playground dvd it's pretty old and they show Frank as a teenager or something put this sick move on this kid and do a two handed behind the back pass to some dude that was not open until he some how got the ball. They didn't say it was him but it was him you could tell. It was some tourney out there. That was the only clip of him on it. When i find out the name of the DVD I'll post it.

Well the question is if Frank is still a Knick next season and all of a sudden finds his mojo.....Would anyone trade Marbury?
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5/27/2004  10:01 PM
ofcourse. any player on our team is tradeable.

i am still one of the few who dont think you need a star pg on a team to win. i think you are better of having a good pg and a 2 guard who can bring the ball up. ALTHOUGH it would take an awfully sweet deal to move marbury. who would take on his huge $$$$$$$? and if they would take on his $$$$$$$ then they would have no problem taking on andersons $$$$$$$$.
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5/27/2004  10:01 PM
Well the question is if Frank is still a Knick next season and all of a sudden finds his mojo.....Would anyone trade Marbury?
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5/27/2004  10:03 PM
Posted by turtle33:

ofcourse. any player on our team is tradeable.

i am still one of the few who dont think you need a star pg on a team to win. i think you are better of having a good pg and a 2 guard who can bring the ball up. ALTHOUGH it would take an awfully sweet deal to move marbury. who would take on his huge $$$$$$$? and if they would take on his $$$$$$$ then they would have no problem taking on andersons $$$$$$$$.
Well, yeah for a few players I would trade Marbury. But that has nothing to do with Frank Williams.

I agree you don't have to have a star PG to win a championship. In fact, there is no single position where you must have a star. You can win a championship even if you have role players at a few of ANY of the five positions.
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5/27/2004  10:13 PM
Well, yeah for a few players I would trade Marbury. But that has nothing to do with Frank Williams.

sure it does, stephon would only be tradeable if williams
finds his mojo
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okay............i've been hitting the home made beer preety good so far tonight so go easy on this but.........

New York trades: PF Mike Sweetney (4.3 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 0.3 apg in 11.8 minutes)
SF Tim Thomas (14.7 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 1.9 apg in 31.6 minutes)
PG Stephon Marbury (20.2 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 8.9 apg in 40.2 minutes)
New York receives: SG Tracy McGrady (28.0 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 5.5 apg in 39.9 minutes)
SG Grant Hill (28.0 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 5.5 apg in 39.9 minutes)


and we get their pick.

we ofcourse draft okafor and we have

pg-williams
sg-houston
sf-mcgrady
pf okafor
c- nazr

and it still leaves alot of other players to try and trade for a centre.

does orlando do it to get rid of hill's contract??????

do we do it and take on hill's contract

actually i must be sobering up cause i dont know if orlando would do it.

i'll leave this post up so we can diss.......debate it.
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5/27/2004  10:55 PM
sure it does, stephon would only be tradeable if williams

No, I'd trade Steph for only a few players (the ones at the KG, Duncan, Lebron level). And I'd do that even if our backup PG was a guy who wasn't good enough to play in the CBA.
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5/27/2004  11:36 PM
I am a huge Frank williams fan but this choice is easy. Steph is on the cusp of being an elite player.... nuff said...

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5/27/2004  11:53 PM
Rafer Alston's also a street legend, and he's a backup in Miami.

Let's not get crazy, Marbury's the best all-around point guard in the game I'd say, with Kidd quickly declining with his injuries. I'd still pick Kidd over him, but let's see Marbury w/ IT's help. I think we're in for a big year.
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5/28/2004  1:06 AM
I think Baron and Marbury are tied for being the best all around players, but that's not the point. Teams need superstars to win championships, anc clearly, Marbury is that player. If we can get him for another superstar, consider it, but for now, he's out guy.
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5/28/2004  3:55 AM
IT will never trade marbury. It is his signature move, no way he could do that now.
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5/28/2004  7:29 AM
That discussion is mainly stupid. If anyone of you can name one team in this league thas has won the big prize without a super-star, then I will say trade Marburry. One of the reason why Ewing didn't win a championship is because he didn't a star PG like Marburry in his team. Some of you are simply blind by size, and you remind me a lot of a woman who just don't know what she wants in life. We are on the right track now, all we need is a decent big man with a postup move and energy. We will also need a coach that a la Larry Brown that can bring the best out of players here in N.Y.
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5/28/2004  8:08 AM
what i find sad is that a lot of guys here want to tear in down without even trying to see our team works after one full season together.

I agree with you on that did, for years, we've been burnt by all teams that had a good pg. Now we got one, and we hear that we should've kept frank as our main pg, though he doesnt' have 10% of stephon's talent.

sometimes I wonder what some fans like in nba basketball, the game or the trades ? why trading for the sake of changing ? different is not always better.
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5/28/2004  8:20 AM
Posted by diderotn:

That discussion is mainly stupid. If anyone of you can name one team in this league thas has won the big prize without a super-star, then I will say trade Marburry. One of the reason why Ewing didn't win a championship is because he didn't a star PG like Marburry in his team. Some of you are simply blind by size, and you remind me a lot of a woman who just don't know what she wants in life. We are on the right track now, all we need is a decent big man with a postup move and energy. We will also need a coach that a la Larry Brown that can bring the best out of players here in N.Y.

no, the reason why ewing did not win a championship was the overall talent surrounding him not just a pg. houston beat us with kenny "the jet" smith as their primary point guard. he was clearly the bottom half of the starting point guards but that team knew their role. but i sitll do think old school in which there are postions on the floor that are more important than others namely the 5 and 1 positions. if you have those two positions established with all-stars, then you have an advantage. true, the 4 position has been the creme of the crop postion as of the last five or six years. but only one team won with power forward as their best player: the spurs: even then, they needed robinson to win those two championships. i think we have the pg position in capable hands. i think in a year or two, he will be the best point guard in the league. now we need that 5 who can establish the paint for us ( ilgauskus or dampier?).
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5/28/2004  8:36 AM
Posted by turtle33:

i am still one of the few who dont think you need a star pg on a team to win.

oh, not one of the few. I think the league has shown us over the past 10-15 years that an all-star PG is definitely not necessary. I think the best combo of players is solid defense all the way around, with at least one all-star (or whatever) defender, 2 all-star offensive players.
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5/28/2004  8:37 AM
Posted by turtle33:


okay............i've been hitting the home made beer preety good so far tonight so go easy on this but.........

New York trades: PF Mike Sweetney (4.3 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 0.3 apg in 11.8 minutes)
SF Tim Thomas (14.7 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 1.9 apg in 31.6 minutes)
PG Stephon Marbury (20.2 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 8.9 apg in 40.2 minutes)
New York receives: SG Tracy McGrady (28.0 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 5.5 apg in 39.9 minutes)
SG Grant Hill (28.0 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 5.5 apg in 39.9 minutes)


and we get their pick.

we ofcourse draft okafor and we have

pg-williams
sg-houston
sf-mcgrady
pf okafor
c- nazr

and it still leaves alot of other players to try and trade for a centre.

does orlando do it to get rid of hill's contract??????

do we do it and take on hill's contract

actually i must be sobering up cause i dont know if orlando would do it.

i'll leave this post up so we can diss.......debate it.

wow, this is an interesting trade. I kinda like it for both teams.
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5/28/2004  8:42 AM
Posted by EnySpree:

Well the question is if Frank is still a Knick next season and all of a sudden finds his mojo.....Would anyone trade Marbury?

IF he can lead the team and a trade makes the team better, why the hell not. Unprobable, but Isiah would be irresponsable not to consider it.
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5/28/2004  8:44 AM
Posted by raven:

IT will never trade marbury. It is his signature move, no way he could do that now.

talent is talent is talent. Isiah is a cold-hearted man. Just the way we should all like our GM's. If he could somehow get T-Mac for Marb, I think he would go for it. McGrady is a first line, top-5 player in the NBA who can carry a team for months at a time. I would think Isiah recognizes this.
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5/28/2004  9:20 AM
My 1st choice, is to keep Marbury.but if we get an offer we can't refuse, we have to go for it.never say never.
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5/28/2004  9:27 AM
Posted by martin:
Posted by raven:

IT will never trade marbury. It is his signature move, no way he could do that now.

talent is talent is talent. Isiah is a cold-hearted man. Just the way we should all like our GM's. If he could somehow get T-Mac for Marb, I think he would go for it. McGrady is a first line, top-5 player in the NBA who can carry a team for months at a time. I would think Isiah recognizes this.

I'd hope the same, but I fear he wouldn't.
I'm full ready to see marb go provided we get someone better, I'm just not sure IT could do a U turn.
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5/28/2004  9:43 AM
Posted by spreeeewell:

My 1st choice, is to keep Marbury.but if we get an offer we can't refuse, we have to go for it.never say never.

I agree with that.

I started this post just to get a good chat going. It's worked.

I wanna see a Knick team with Stephonas the point guard win the championship.

Knicks already have some good pieces.

Houston actually fits the shooting guard role perfectly. Make the outside shots and attack from the mid-range.

Marbury is that guy that can do everything on the court. Your point guard needs to be able to score, rebound, pass, run, play defense, play psychologist. Marbury is that guy.

Timmy is what the small forward looks like these days. He's 6'10" and can run the floor like he is 6'5". Plus he scores within the flow of the offense. His game is from the foul line in but he can hit the three consistantly. His length helps out on defense and helps provide presence down low just because he's 6'10" and 240lbs.

The Knicks need to build on that. That's where Isaih makes his money.
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