djsunyc wrote:trade dalembert to the cavs for a future first round pick.

Why help Cleveland get even better and fill their holes? There's so many other teams we can trade with.

1. Bulls
2. Cavs
3. Knicks
4. Wiz
5. Raps

None of the Knicks have to try and play hero ball and that is going to be the key. Fish getting them to trust each other and play as a team is important and having Jose, Prigs and Larkin will help that. This is a solid PG contingent.

Phil has added a few high energy and effort guys which I think is important for team chemistry. Jason, THJ, Larkin, Early and Acy will play their usual uptempo game which should get the other players to pick up their effort in practice and in games.

I think we'll get a good year from our SG's. JR, THJ and Shump should do very well in the Triangle. All the off ball motion leading to back cuts, shots off screens, PnR, with lots of driving lanes due to the spacing. For a very athletic group like our SG's this is a great offense. People underestimate how athletic we are at SG. Then you add Early and Acy to the party and it's a pretty good look for scoring in the Triangle of hand offs on cuts where they can get a running start at the basket and fast breaks.

STAT, Bargs and Jason can all score in this offense and if they bring effort and energy they'll be just fine this year. They can all defend the rim but need to make sure to play team defense. Stay alert in the paint. I think this is what Fish will have to focus on in Training Camp.

gunsnewing wrote:Bulls over the Cavs? Bulls under Thibs are gritty as hell but why are they always picked to finish with the best record?

I just like the addition of DRose and Pau. McDermott and Mirotic might help a bit as well. They have a good team.

Cavs
Bulls
Nyets
Wiz
Miami
Charlotte
Tor
Knicks

Atl
Indy

Cavs got Miller, James Jones, likely Shawn Marion and Maybe Ray Ray. Dave Blatt is the Chosen one! Took the job thinking he got Kyrie and yoots. Instead he got Uncle Drew, Pops and now Wes!!!!

mreinman wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Cavs
Bulls
Wizards
Heat
Knicks
Hornets
Hawks
Raptors

Hawks and Raptors at the bottom? And worse than the knicks? How??

I have Knicks at 9 in the East may move them to 8 after Preseason.

6 teams in the East are clearly better than us and a case for 7 is equally strong

mreinman wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

mreinman wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Cavs
Bulls
Wizards
Heat
Knicks
Hornets
Hawks
Raptors

Hawks and Raptors at the bottom? And worse than the knicks? How??

I have Knicks at 9 in the East may move them to 8 after Preseason.

6 teams in the East are clearly better than us and a case for 7 is equally strong

Barring injuries to other teams, I would agree. But I don't see why its important, this is a rebuilding year even if the nutty diehards are being silly.

If Phil makes a trade getting the needle to jump to the right

I may reconsider

nixluva wrote:You guys are really funny. The Knicks ended the season 16-7 and that was with Woody still running things. I find it laughable that any of you guys placing the Knicks low on the totem pole in the East will be right. Please explain why the Knicks should not be able to have a good year much like they had 2 seasons ago when they won 54 games?

Phil has come in and started fixing the biggest issues we had with Poor Coaching, leadership, Culture, tactics and a lousy performance from our guards who were the strength of the team when we won 54 games. We still have the core players from that team plus a huge improvement in terms of depth, balance and fit. This roster will better fit the system we intend to play and that system is superior to the ISO Ball style we played last year. The teams around the Knicks did improve but not as much as some are trying to make it sound. Tell us why any of these teams will have a huge improvement over last year.

     Wins
Tor  48
Wash 44
Nets 44
Char 43
ATL  38
NY   37

I can make a case for the Knicks because we know that the Knicks severely underperformed last year. It's more likely that they will get back to playing at a level of a 50 win team rather than for them to stay down at the bottom as they were last year. The way the Knicks ended the season kind of shows that they had much greater potential than they showed earlier in the year.

We had so many players perform well below their career avg's. It's not realistic to think that will happen again. We won't have Tyson to break his leg again. Felton with his wifey issues and horrid performance. JR will be eager to shed the bad rep he had last year. Shump wants to be free of the mind games of Woody last year and his poor play. Bargs and STAT are playing for their next contract and have Jose here to help them perform better rather than Felton. The entire team is excited to be playing for Phil and Fish now. There's a pride that comes with being represented as Phil Jackson's team. They know he expects to win and that will have a positive effect on the team.

Nix--I agree with you in saying lets not forget that we were 54 wins just two years ago and that this team has potential to be good. BUUT the east is MUCH better now. People are sleeping on teams like Wash Atlanta and Toronto Clev might be the new Miami yet Miami will still be very good. Milwaukee and Orlando are improved.Chicago is an awesome team Detoit will be better Charlotte went to round 2 and added a lottery pick PF and Lance Stephenson. Indiana will still be tough Bucks improved.... Lets get real here---the east is going to be a nightmare and we need EVERYTHING right to happen for us.

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:You guys are really funny. The Knicks ended the season 16-7 and that was with Woody still running things. I find it laughable that any of you guys placing the Knicks low on the totem pole in the East will be right. Please explain why the Knicks should not be able to have a good year much like they had 2 seasons ago when they won 54 games?

Phil has come in and started fixing the biggest issues we had with Poor Coaching, leadership, Culture, tactics and a lousy performance from our guards who were the strength of the team when we won 54 games. We still have the core players from that team plus a huge improvement in terms of depth, balance and fit. This roster will better fit the system we intend to play and that system is superior to the ISO Ball style we played last year. The teams around the Knicks did improve but not as much as some are trying to make it sound. Tell us why any of these teams will have a huge improvement over last year.

     Wins
Tor  48
Wash 44
Nets 44
Char 43
ATL  38
NY   37

I can make a case for the Knicks because we know that the Knicks severely underperformed last year. It's more likely that they will get back to playing at a level of a 50 win team rather than for them to stay down at the bottom as they were last year. The way the Knicks ended the season kind of shows that they had much greater potential than they showed earlier in the year.

We had so many players perform well below their career avg's. It's not realistic to think that will happen again. We won't have Tyson to break his leg again. Felton with his wifey issues and horrid performance. JR will be eager to shed the bad rep he had last year. Shump wants to be free of the mind games of Woody last year and his poor play. Bargs and STAT are playing for their next contract and have Jose here to help them perform better rather than Felton. The entire team is excited to be playing for Phil and Fish now. There's a pride that comes with being represented as Phil Jackson's team. They know he expects to win and that will have a positive effect on the team.

Nix--I agree with you in saying lets not forget that we were 54 wins just two years ago and that this team has potential to be good. BUUT the east is MUCH better now. People are sleeping on teams like Wash Atlanta and Toronto Clev might be the new Miami yet Miami will still be very good. Milwaukee and Orlando are improved.Chicago is an awesome team Detoit will be better Charlotte went to round 2 and added a lottery pick PF and Lance Stephenson. Indiana will still be tough Bucks improved.... Lets get real here---the east is going to be a nightmare and we need EVERYTHING right to happen for us.

I think Indy misses the playoffs. They struggled last year down the stretch, tuned out Vogel and cant score. Minus Lance and PG they are not a very good team. Miami... we have seen Bosh put up big #s on 30 win teams. Wade has so little in the tank and what else are they working with?

I have the Knicks 6th because the other teams deserve to be ranked higher until proven otherwise.