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So we've been looking to move almost every guard this offseason.

I wonder who remains when the season starts, if Phil is capable of moving any

BRIGGS wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Wow. Great find. Celtics are trying to move Bass. I beleive bass makes 6 mil. I think bass tightens up the frontline. I also think he defends Bron well ad he is expiring. I wonder if te Knicks could put a package together to get bass that works for the celtics.

Bass makes 7mm Pablo and Ellington make 4.1--pretty far off.

BRIGGS wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Wow. Great find. Celtics are trying to move Bass. I beleive bass makes 6 mil. I think bass tightens up the frontline. I also think he defends Bron well ad he is expiring. I wonder if te Knicks could put a package together to get bass that works for the celtics.

Bass makes 7mm Pablo and Ellington make 4.1--pretty far off.

I know. I messed around with trade checker. The knickscdont really have the contracts to get that deal done. Stat and pieces (don't remember the guys I plugged in) works for Green, Wallace, and Bass.

Im surprised the Knicks cant trade Ellington or Pablo(or even both) straight to the Sixers who have very little shooting(and also veteran leadership needs) for a couple of future 2nd rounders. They are far from the minimum salary threshold--they need to spend.

Finestrg wrote:Hard to believe there's no interest out there in Wayne Ellington. Still fairly young, dead-eye shooter (pretty good offensive player overall) and he's on a very reasonable contract. And Pablo as a sweetener?? I can understand Larkin (who I don't want to give up unless it's for something substantial) but what team would require Pablo to take Ellington? If anything, I would think it would be the other way around, no? Strange. Up to me, I'd trade (or even buy out) Prigioni and replace him with a 2nd younger understudy ball-handler to go along with Larkin (if nothing else, I like Seth Curry or Kalin Lucas here). Also wouldn't mind holding onto Ellington for the time being unless there was a deal out there that made sense...Ellington's an asset and a NBA rotation player in my book -- I wouldn't give him away for nothing.

Regarding the Bass idea: I think we could do that deal if we wanted to. About a $3mm difference but isn't that the $ amount trades can be off and still get done -- $3mm? Plus, we could kick in some cash to offset. I doubt we used our entire cash allotment to purchase that Labeyrie pick from the Pacers. There's gotta be some money left over to include in a trade...Having said that, I'd pass on Brandon Bass -- I can understand the attraction (he'd fit---I'd like to see them add another big for depth myself), but for a role player like Bass, I'd just assume we take a chance on Richard Howell who's very similar, about 5 years younger, has a brighter future and more upside (what if we turned out to be better than Brandon Bass?) and who would come for the league minimum (wouldn't have to trade anyone to get him--just create a roster spot). Or Daniel Orton -- same deal, only this guy's even bigger---we could add quality depth at PF & C with Orton. My criteria for adding an additional big at this point: needs to be better than either Howell/Orton. Not sure Bass is better than either of those guys. Me personally, I'd cut Jeremy Tyler, sign Howell or Orton to replace him and keep Ellington.

Finestrg wrote:Hard to believe there's no interest out there in Wayne Ellington. Still fairly young, dead-eye shooter (pretty good offensive player overall) and he's on a very reasonable contract. And Pablo as a sweetener?? I can understand Larkin (who I don't want to give up unless it's for something substantial) but what team would require Pablo to take Ellington? If anything, I would think it would be the other way around, no? Strange. Up to me, I'd trade (or even buy out) Prigioni and replace him with a 2nd younger understudy ball-handler to go along with Larkin (if nothing else, I like Seth Curry or Kalin Lucas here). Also wouldn't mind holding onto Ellington for the time being unless there was a deal out there that made sense...Ellington's an asset and a NBA rotation player in my book -- I wouldn't give him away for nothing.

Regarding the Bass idea: I think we could do that deal if we wanted to. About a $3mm difference but isn't that the $ amount trades can be off and still get done -- $3mm? Plus, we could kick in some cash to offset. I doubt we used our entire cash allotment to purchase that Labeyrie pick from the Pacers. There's gotta be some money left over to include in a trade...Having said that, I'd pass on Brandon Bass -- I can understand the attraction (he'd fit---I'd like to see them add another big for depth myself), but for a role player like Bass, I'd just assume we take a chance on Richard Howell who's very similar, about 5 years younger, has a brighter future and more upside (what if we turned out to be better than Brandon Bass?) and who would come for the league minimum (wouldn't have to trade anyone to get him--just create a roster spot). Or Daniel Orton -- same deal, only this guy's even bigger---we could add quality depth at PF & C with Orton. My criteria for adding an additional big at this point: needs to be better than either Howell/Orton. Not sure Bass is better than either of those guys. Me personally, I'd cut Jeremy Tyler, sign Howell or Orton to replace him and keep Ellington.

I agree- don't get why no team is interested in Ellington- good contract and a good 3pt shooter. Package him with Pablo, and we're giving away 2 40% 3pt shooters. Not sure I like that idea, especially since we have no idea who we want to add to the roster. However, I'm pretty sure there would be a lot of interest- OKC and the Clips could make use of them.

Plus we can't package Ellington with any other player in a trade until 2 or 3 months after we traded for him, under cba rules.

CrushAlot wrote:
I think Pablonis seen as a very solid back up point. He doesn't mess up. He just needs to shoot a bit more. I like Ellington. I am hoping some of the dysfunctional bunch from last season is moved. Shump, JR, or Amare are the guys I want to move.

In my heart I fell the same way. It's just too hard to find teams that want to make a good deal.

I would love to get more experience in the locker room. Start fresh. No lingering bull****

gunsnewing wrote:How can we trade 6th man of the year to come Duke Ellington?