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VDesai
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7/2/2014  1:06 PM
Doesn't it make sense for it to go the other way around?

Here me out:

1) We know LA can't give Melo as much money as he wants
2) LA's roster outside of Kobe is much worse than NY's outside of Melo, especially if Pau is on his way out
3) LAL is badly in need of a rebuild and the Knicks have the expiring contracts to open up even more room
4) Kobe loves Phil Jax and probably DFish
5) Given Kobe's age and injury history, does LA have the resources to be competetive around him for the rest of his career or does he need to be all in now?
6) What is the perfect team that can best afford the risk to go all in and do something this...Knicks?

Amare+ some combo of Larkin, Early, Shumpert etc. would probably work financially. I think its a longshot, but who knows what zen Phil is working.
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7/2/2014  1:24 PM
Would potentially come down to how badly Kobe wants to retire a Laker. Clearing up $25 M off the books for Summer 2015 must be attractive to LA.
If Kobe wasn't ready to waive his no trade clause, inquire again after the dust has settled on Pau.

I'm not sure I'd really want to trade for Kobe at this stage, but could be the motivation Melo needs to stay in NY.
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7/2/2014  1:27 PM
A pipedream, but hey, we've got a thread about Bargs and Stat opting out for the love of the franchise, so...

Why do the Lakers, who have 8 guards, want some more? If the Lakers were to entertain this, then they would be in full-on tank mode, and maybe we get a little of the Ainge/McHale lovefest effect between PJax and his beloved.

Stat and Cole and the Steve Blake trade exception works moneywise straight up for Kobe. I don't see the Lakers giving up anything else.
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7/2/2014  1:31 PM
if we're going to dream, may as well dream big. If that's a possibility we should definitely explore it. I don't think Kobe would go for it though. I think he wants his Derek Jeter style celebration.
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7/2/2014  1:45 PM
The thesis here is that LA would be in tank/rebuild mode, since they have very little opportunity to build a contender around Kobe at this point.

In terms of all the guards on LA's roster, honestly its irrelevent. In rebuilding mode they'd basically be looking for bodies back- young cheap talent. Unfortunately all the young cheap talent we could add to a deal are guards- Larkin, Shumpert, Early, Hardaway Jr. are our best pieces and 3 of those guys are guards.

Its a pipe dream, but IMO it makes a lot more sense than Melo signing in LA. Kobe has a no-trade clause. He has to determine whether finishing out (and not winning much) in LA matters to him more than finishing his career with a chance to potentially contend. He is a believer in Phil, so it would seem that this would be a destination where he would follow.

IF somehow we could make it happen, it would certainly increase our likelihood of getting someone like Pau. Again, a pipe dream, but not a 0% possibility with Phil Jax here.
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7/2/2014  1:55 PM
Kobe and Melo on same team. Not sure I see how that would work. They'd eat each other for lunch.

Let's focus on something that makes triangle better for us...POW POW Gasol.
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7/2/2014  1:57 PM
Moonangie wrote:Kobe and Melo on same team. Not sure I see how that would work. They'd eat each other for lunch.

Let's focus on something that makes triangle better for us...POW POW Gasol.

JR's worst nightmare.
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7/2/2014  4:36 PM
Sorry VD...didn't notice this thread before I bumped up my old one.
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7/2/2014  5:02 PM
Kobe stress fracture the first game out in a Knick's uni - out 40 games!

He has more mileage than probably any other player in the history of the NBA.

I doubt he plays a combined 82 games over his last two years on his contract.
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7/2/2014  5:14 PM
Bump

Phil is too calm. He's like Melo could stay or go whatever.

The Lakers are do or die this summer. They want to try and get Melo and or Lebron or tear it down.

My thing is its already tore down. They only have kobe and Nash on the books anyone else isn't worth mentioning.

The knicks can offer Amare and filler for Kobe....Kobe wasting massive cap space just to miss the playoffs in the west kinda doesn't make any sense. Sure they can put together a rag tag bunch to play with Kobe but again the west is deep. Why not save the money and just rebuild towards the next dynasty.

Kobe will always be a Laker. If he's going anywhere it can only be the Mecca to play with Melo. That shot would work and it would send shockwaves through the east. Having to deal with a Melo and Kobe, maybe Pau with Calderón and dalembert. Add odom, and any mix of our young guns off the bench.

How ****ing epic does this sound?

from my thread....I guess we can use this one since VD started it back up

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7/2/2014  5:20 PM
franco12 wrote:Kobe stress fracture the first game out in a Knick's uni - out 40 games!

He has more mileage than probably any other player in the history of the NBA.

I doubt he plays a combined 82 games over his last two years on his contract.

Knicks could D-Wade him....Kobe is smart. He would defer to Melo and pick his spots. The Key to this idea is the Knicks don't lose all their youth or picks to do it.

Melo and Amare contracts are just about identical except Amare expires a year sooner.

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7/2/2014  6:03 PM
If we are trying to do a cluster instead of a rebuild this would definitely the easy to go. Two ball dominant me first scorers and people are suggesting trading what we got on the Tyson trade to get one of them. It will ensure we have two completely redundant players on the team accounting for two thirds of the cap space. Terrible idea with disaster written all over it.
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7/2/2014  6:13 PM
meloshouldgo wrote:If we are trying to do a cluster instead of a rebuild this would definitely the easy to go. Two ball dominant me first scorers and people are suggesting trading what we got on the Tyson trade to get one of them. It will ensure we have two completely redundant players on the team accounting for two thirds of the cap space. Terrible idea with disaster written all over it.

technically Amare and Kobe make the same salary so it could be a straight up salary dump...maybe the Knicks can sprinkle in somebody, but if this is a favor to Kobe than I doubt the lakers would make a big deal. they paid him out of respect, so maybe they trade him for the same reason

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7/2/2014  6:48 PM
EnySpree wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:If we are trying to do a cluster instead of a rebuild this would definitely the easy to go. Two ball dominant me first scorers and people are suggesting trading what we got on the Tyson trade to get one of them. It will ensure we have two completely redundant players on the team accounting for two thirds of the cap space. Terrible idea with disaster written all over it.

technically Amare and Kobe make the same salary so it could be a straight up salary dump...maybe the Knicks can sprinkle in somebody, but if this is a favor to Kobe than I doubt the lakers would make a big deal. they paid him out of respect, so maybe they trade him for the same reason

I don't get it. Maybe the numbers work out but why is that a reason to do this trade? What is the proper or goal of making a trade like this? I honestly don't care what Melo or Kobe ' s wishes are I only care about what's best for the Knicks. Kobe may end up playing 20 - 30 games next season and get injured again. He is on his last legs, his production had declined and he is even more overpaid than Melo. This doesn't make us contenders doesn't make us better in the long term and doesn't even land us a prospect.

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7/2/2014  7:16 PM
Kobe's contract is a killer if he is not vintage Kobe.
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7/2/2014  7:19 PM
Nalod wrote:Kobe's contract is a killer if he is not vintage Kobe.

the problem is he is 'vintage' Kobe.

The problem is there is now way to create a supporting cast when two of your players take up 80& of your cap.
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7/2/2014  7:31 PM
The starphuch of Melo and Kobe in NY would make me question Phil's sanity.
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7/2/2014  7:56 PM
The question is whether you have a better shot at winning with 1 year left of an injury prone Amare or 2 yrs left of an injury prone Kobe. Personally I'd rather take my chances with the latter, but I definitely understand the cap implications, but I'd take my chances with a player like Kobe. I think Pau would follow and you'd have a decent chance in the east with a Melo/Kobe/Pau/Calderon/JR core squad.
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7/2/2014  11:59 PM
I think it's shortsighted and high risk low reward type scenario that has defined who the Knicks are for the last 40 years. It's so bad that our fans have grown accustomed to it and associate this with acceptable improvement
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7/3/2014  12:18 AM
meloshouldgo wrote:I think it's shortsighted and high risk low reward type scenario that has defined who the Knicks are for the last 40 years. It's so bad that our fans have grown accustomed to it and associate this with acceptable improvement

exactly

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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