BRIGGS wrote:We are already a very decent team

We need tweaks then a revamp in 2015.

But the east is weak and with solid tweaks and Anthony back this could all turn around.

To invest in that much money into a 31 year old I wouldn't do it it's not wise. I'm praying the Knicks do a sign and trade and get the type of players that fit the system.

If PHil can paint a picture with melo in it that is a winning scenario and Melo buys in, with a discount he said he would do BEFORE phil was even hired, then that is good for the knicks.

Good for the knicks, good with me.

knicks1248 wrote:

Nalod wrote:Melo taking a pay cut where ever he goes. If he stays because we offer more money, then we should not.

If PHil can paint a picture with melo in it that is a winning scenario and Melo buys in, with a discount he said he would do BEFORE phil was even hired, then that is good for the knicks.

Good for the knicks, good with me.

I think thats already been done with him saying (I HAD GREAT MEETING WITH PHIL AND I LKE WHAT HE'S DOING) so I think that picture has been painted pretty darn well. Thats why I don't understand the rush to become a FA, it's like he knows something..

This dude just gave up $23.3 million, thats enough for 2 life times for the avg person.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Nalod wrote:Melo taking a pay cut where ever he goes. If he stays because we offer more money, then we should not.

If PHil can paint a picture with melo in it that is a winning scenario and Melo buys in, with a discount he said he would do BEFORE phil was even hired, then that is good for the knicks.

Good for the knicks, good with me.

I think thats already been done with him saying (I HAD GREAT MEETING WITH PHIL AND I LKE WHAT HE'S DOING) so I think that picture has been painted pretty darn well. Thats why I don't understand the rush to become a FA, it's like he knows something..

This dude just gave up $23.3 million, thats enough for 2 life times for the avg person.

Well see. There is a diffeence between saying it and doing it. Also the reason he opted out is because he could possibly mak even more money frm te Knicks if tat is what he really wants

Opting out was sensible for him at his age. It allows him to parlay his talents into a 5 year deal, making the most of his prime years. If he waits a year and gets injured, that plan falls apart.

Personally, I'd rather rebuild as I tend to agree that Melo is not a good fit for "system" hoops, particularly the triangle (i.e., he does't play team ball well and doesn't move well without the ball).

That said, I would welcome him back at a reasonable price (i.e., one that allows us to build a real contender) because he is an elite scorer (difficult to replace his clutchness), which we'll need to get through the ECF.

Dream scenario: Lebron and Melo colluding to go to Cavs and we get that number one pick, plus Varejao and filler.

I'd be ok with the two picks from Chicago as well.

BRIGGS wrote:We are already a very decent team

We need tweaks then a revamp in 2015.

But the east is weak and with solid tweaks and Anthony back this could all turn around.

You lost me after the first sentence. We're an older version of a .450 team and we have fewer resources for off-season improvement than most teams.

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Melo & Dolan's history suggests that he would get the player option and no trade claus. New York Knicks be dammed

do NBA contracts have no trade clauses? Im not sure thats in the CBA. I think once we sign him he ours to trade away.

I think the Knicks have talent, but like Phil said its a clumsy mix. Our parts dont work together, but some decent guard play will fix that.

well if you look at the CBA fish, I think trade clauses were eliminated in 1983, it had a very short shelf life..

BUT.. they do exist and there are stipulations... it is negotiated on a per contract basis.. here is the info.. from the CBA....

A "no-trade" clause prevents the team from trading the player without the player's consent. A no-trade clause can be negotiated into a new contract1 if the player has been in the NBA for at least eight seasons, and has played for the team with which he is signing for at least four seasons. They don't have to be the four most recent seasons -- for example, Horace Grant received a no-trade clause from Orlando when he signed with them in 2001. He had played for Orlando for the requisite four seasons, but had played for Seattle and Los Angeles in the interim. Very few players actually have one of these negotiated no-trade provisions (currently only Kobe Bryant, Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett and Dirk Nowitzki have them).

I find it odd you did research on Tim Duncan's salary, because it suited your argument, I am sure you could have googled this info... But hey, I hope this helped..

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:We are already a very decent team

We need tweaks then a revamp in 2015.

But the east is weak and with solid tweaks and Anthony back this could all turn around.

You lost me after the first sentence. We're an older version of a .450 team and we have fewer resources for off-season improvement than most teams.

Bonn
Lets be fair
We were poor last year but we also showed signs of being good.
The year before we were good.
Its easier to have major pieces in place than to start over.
We need a new PG some quality youth and then in 2015 we can retool with major free agents--to have one in place already is the easiest path.

This is me--this is guys who have to go---JR Smith Felton Bargnanai Chandler---I like Amare and hope he stays healthy and we can resign him to a 2 years 10mm contract or something very cheap next year.

We need to execute and acquire 3 quality rookies--we need assets and youth. If that means trade for a 1 and buy 2 's or buy a 2 and 1 undrafted player---Im down.

From there we need to see who we can get rid of. A combination of quality youth and quality cheap vets sets us up nicely.