I think Phil Jackson can see this I think he already has--thats why he wants Melo to stay. I think any team--the model is build your team deep diversified have guys who can pass dribble shoot and staple of quality big men that can finish it off. Miami's other players have failed miserably and this years mantra will be while thye have some goods--they really need to fully retool.

The spurs should be the model teams follow..

tkf wrote:DON'T MEAN to sound like a jerk here Briggs, but this is nothing new, I have been screaming this over the past few years.. while fans got caught up in starphuching, I always wanted diversity, depth, and flexibility. I believe in putting 5 good and diverse players on the floor at any given time...

The spurs should be the model teams follow..

Agree with the general concept, but i find it funny how people act like it's that easy. Teams are always trying to replicate the Spurs model, but having your star player injured during a year which Tim Duncan is going into the draft, and winning the lottery is not necessarily a model easy to follow. Let's not pretend this team exists without that incredibly odd scenario. The Spurs are a great franchise who has figured out how to build successfully around one of the greatest players in the game and got a lot of luck as well. They are what happens when great management and planning and a lot of luck meet. I agree that we need to find Kawhi Leonard's and Tiago Splitters in the mid to late first round, and identify great diamond in the rough role players in Danny Green and Boris Diaw. Also, we need to have a real system, which it's obviously Phil brings to NY. The Spurs model isn't much unlike the Miami model, the star players just got their different, and the Spurs are far ahead of Miami in terms of developing a system and role players who compliment in that system. But the finals has taught us you need a combination of both great players and complimentary players, and it doesn't matter how you get them. The Spurs have done that to perfection.

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:DON'T MEAN to sound like a jerk here Briggs, but this is nothing new, I have been screaming this over the past few years.. while fans got caught up in starphuching, I always wanted diversity, depth, and flexibility. I believe in putting 5 good and diverse players on the floor at any given time...

The spurs should be the model teams follow..

Agree with the general concept, but i find it funny how people act like it's that easy. Teams are always trying to replicate the Spurs model, but having your star player injured during a year which Tim Duncan is going into the draft, and winning the lottery is not necessarily a model easy to follow. Let's not pretend this team exists without that incredibly odd scenario. The Spurs are a great franchise who has figured out how to build successfully around one of the greatest players in the game and got a lot of luck as well. They are what happens when great management and planning and a lot of luck meet. I agree that we need to find Kawhi Leonard's and Tiago Splitters in the mid to late first round, and identify great diamond in the rough role players in Danny Green and Boris Diaw. Also, we need to have a real system, which it's obviously Phil brings to NY. The Spurs model isn't much unlike the Miami model, the star players just got their different, and the Spurs are far ahead of Miami in terms of developing a system and role players who compliment in that system. But the finals has taught us you need a combination of both great players and complimentary players, and it doesn't matter how you get them. The Spurs have done that to perfection.

Luck is where preperation meets opportunity... the spurs were lucky to get Duncan, but what they did after that made them the franchise that they are today... of course it is not easy... it's like taking a diet pill because getting in shape takes a lot of work and sacrifice...

Look at how the spurs treat their assets, their draft picks, they value them. they are not trying to pair up stars, while mortgaging their future overpaying for guys who are not worth it..

the heat are cowards, lebron, wade and bosh. I can't stand those guys... they colluded and tried to stack the deck.. good for them, but that is not a model to follow and teams have tried that and it hasn't work.. miami pretty much took 3 of the best guys you could put together and it worked for them, maybe not to the level they though, but 2 rings is not bad at all.. LOL

The key is, to put together a team, develop a culture of winning, guys with high iq's, guys who are not selfish, who are dedicated to winning and playing basketball... guys with integrity.. I guarantee you , success will follow.. it may not result in a ring, but it will consistently put you in position to legitimately contend and that is all you can ask for.

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:DON'T MEAN to sound like a jerk here Briggs, but this is nothing new, I have been screaming this over the past few years.. while fans got caught up in starphuching, I always wanted diversity, depth, and flexibility. I believe in putting 5 good and diverse players on the floor at any given time...

The spurs should be the model teams follow..

Agree with the general concept, but i find it funny how people act like it's that easy. Teams are always trying to replicate the Spurs model, but having your star player injured during a year which Tim Duncan is going into the draft, and winning the lottery is not necessarily a model easy to follow. Let's not pretend this team exists without that incredibly odd scenario. The Spurs are a great franchise who has figured out how to build successfully around one of the greatest players in the game and got a lot of luck as well. They are what happens when great management and planning and a lot of luck meet. I agree that we need to find Kawhi Leonard's and Tiago Splitters in the mid to late first round, and identify great diamond in the rough role players in Danny Green and Boris Diaw. Also, we need to have a real system, which it's obviously Phil brings to NY. The Spurs model isn't much unlike the Miami model, the star players just got their different, and the Spurs are far ahead of Miami in terms of developing a system and role players who compliment in that system. But the finals has taught us you need a combination of both great players and complimentary players, and it doesn't matter how you get them. The Spurs have done that to perfection.

Luck is where preperation meets opportunity... the spurs were lucky to get Duncan, but what they did after that made them the franchise that they are today... of course it is not easy... it's like taking a diet pill because getting in shape takes a lot of work and sacrifice...

Look at how the spurs treat their assets, their draft picks, they value them. they are not trying to pair up stars, while mortgaging their future overpaying for guys who are not worth it..

the heat are cowards, lebron, wade and bosh. I can't stand those guys... they colluded and tried to stack the deck.. good for them, but that is not a model to follow and teams have tried that and it hasn't work.. miami pretty much took 3 of the best guys you could put together and it worked for them, maybe not to the level they though, but 2 rings is not bad at all.. LOL

The key is, to put together a team, develop a culture of winning, guys with high iq's, guys who are not selfish, who are dedicated to winning and playing basketball... guys with integrity.. I guarantee you , success will follow.. it may not result in a ring, but it will consistently put you in position to legitimately contend and that is all you can ask for.

The Spurs tanked to get Duncan and Robinson
I do agree that they are able to retain their talents because they convince them ALL to take less, sacrificing for the better of the team, and NOT trading them the second they are able to when both Manu and Parker have struggled
They value development, something we are working on and building a "winning culture"

I disagree about the Miami thing, if Lebron colluded to join The Knick's in 2010 I don't think ANYONE here would have complained about it
However, as good as he is, even if he does win 5-8 rings, he still cannot be compared to what Jordan went through to get there under those circumstances
It doesn't make him any less of a talent HOF though, it just discredits his accomplishments vs some other players, especially Jordan

RonRon wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:DON'T MEAN to sound like a jerk here Briggs, but this is nothing new, I have been screaming this over the past few years.. while fans got caught up in starphuching, I always wanted diversity, depth, and flexibility. I believe in putting 5 good and diverse players on the floor at any given time...

The spurs should be the model teams follow..

Agree with the general concept, but i find it funny how people act like it's that easy. Teams are always trying to replicate the Spurs model, but having your star player injured during a year which Tim Duncan is going into the draft, and winning the lottery is not necessarily a model easy to follow. Let's not pretend this team exists without that incredibly odd scenario. The Spurs are a great franchise who has figured out how to build successfully around one of the greatest players in the game and got a lot of luck as well. They are what happens when great management and planning and a lot of luck meet. I agree that we need to find Kawhi Leonard's and Tiago Splitters in the mid to late first round, and identify great diamond in the rough role players in Danny Green and Boris Diaw. Also, we need to have a real system, which it's obviously Phil brings to NY. The Spurs model isn't much unlike the Miami model, the star players just got their different, and the Spurs are far ahead of Miami in terms of developing a system and role players who compliment in that system. But the finals has taught us you need a combination of both great players and complimentary players, and it doesn't matter how you get them. The Spurs have done that to perfection.

Luck is where preperation meets opportunity... the spurs were lucky to get Duncan, but what they did after that made them the franchise that they are today... of course it is not easy... it's like taking a diet pill because getting in shape takes a lot of work and sacrifice...

Look at how the spurs treat their assets, their draft picks, they value them. they are not trying to pair up stars, while mortgaging their future overpaying for guys who are not worth it..

the heat are cowards, lebron, wade and bosh. I can't stand those guys... they colluded and tried to stack the deck.. good for them, but that is not a model to follow and teams have tried that and it hasn't work.. miami pretty much took 3 of the best guys you could put together and it worked for them, maybe not to the level they though, but 2 rings is not bad at all.. LOL

The key is, to put together a team, develop a culture of winning, guys with high iq's, guys who are not selfish, who are dedicated to winning and playing basketball... guys with integrity.. I guarantee you , success will follow.. it may not result in a ring, but it will consistently put you in position to legitimately contend and that is all you can ask for.

The Spurs tanked to get Duncan and Robinson
I do agree that they are able to retain their talents because they convince them ALL to take less, sacrificing for the better of the team, and NOT trading them the second they are able to when both Manu and Parker have struggled
They value development, something we are working on and building a "winning culture"

I disagree about the Miami thing, if Lebron colluded to join The Knick's in 2010 I don't think ANYONE here would have complained about it
However, as good as he is, even if he does win 5-8 rings, he still cannot be compared to what Jordan went through to get there under those circumstances
It doesn't make him any less of a talent HOF though, it just discredits his accomplishments vs some other players, especially Jordan

I disagree about the Miami thing, if Lebron colluded to join The Knick's in 2010 I don't think ANYONE here would have complained about it

what is there to disagree about here? I feel the same way, which is why I find it hypocritical that people are now upset about miami talking about a "big 4"..

However, as good as he is, even if he does win 5-8 rings, he still cannot be compared to what Jordan went through to get there under those circumstances

The Spurs tanked to get Duncan and Robinson

not sure about robinson, but they didn't tank to get duncan, actually they were trying to win games which is why they even went out and got guys like dominique wilkins who played pretty well for them, they just were not good enough, but they were not tanking.. which IMO is "trying to lose"..

StarksEwing1 wrote:The Spurs didnt intentionally take to get Duncan. That season they had a tremdous amount of injuries to tehir best player like robinson. The injuries turned out to be a blessing in disguise. But other than Duncan they were able to get guys like parker ginobli who were both late round draft picks

Exactly, the year they won their first ring essentially came at our expense, had ewing been healthy, it would have been a different story..

RonRon wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:The Spurs didnt intentionally take to get Duncan. That season they had a tremdous amount of injuries to tehir best player like robinson. The injuries turned out to be a blessing in disguise. But other than Duncan they were able to get guys like parker ginobli who were both late round draft picks

From what I remember they could have played Robinson more but chose to sit him out, therefore was tanking and losing purposely for the chance of the #1 pick in Duncan

That is exactly as I remembered it. It was a planned tanking.

But they are not stupid

tkf wrote:DON'T MEAN to sound like a jerk here Briggs, but this is nothing new, I have been screaming this over the past few years.. while fans got caught up in starphuching, I always wanted diversity, depth, and flexibility. I believe in putting 5 good and diverse players on the floor at any given time...

The spurs should be the model teams follow..

I've never been more impressed with a coach, team or organization than I am with Spurs right now.

If I'm an owner and my team doesn't look like the Spurs on the court (particularly on the offensive end of the court) -- I am firing my coach and GM immediately.

This is the closest thing I've seen to the great Bill Walton Trail Blazer teams that ran all over the SUPER talented 76ers. Very unselfish - fast paced - helter skelter attack - very beautiful to watch.