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The Years of terrible terrible drafting, trade em all
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knicks1248
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5/20/2014  7:15 PM
We have know idea how to draft, David Lee is the only All star in about 30 draft picks and he made it in by default (forgot the player he replace)

1988 1 19 Rod Stricklandx United States PG DePaul
1988 2 37 Greg Butler United States C Stanford
1989 2 50 Brian Quinnett United States PF Washington State
1990 1 17 Jerrod Mustaf United States PF/C Maryland
1991 1 12 Greg Anthony United States PG UNLV
1992 1 20 Hubert Davis United States SG North Carolina
1994 1 24 Monty Williams United States SF Notre Dame
1994 1 26 Charlie Ward United States PG Florida State
1996 1 18 John Wallace United States SF Syracuse
1996 1 19 Walter McCarty United States PF Kentucky
1996 1 21 Dontae' Jones United States PF Mississippi State
1997 1 25 John Thomas United States C Minnesota
1998 2 38 DeMarco Johnson United States PF UNC Charlotte
1998 2 44 Sean Marks New Zealand F/C California
1999 1 15 Frédéric Weis# France C CSP Limoges (France)
1999 2 46 J. R. Koch United States F Iowa
2000 1 22 Donnell Harvey United States SF Florida
2000 2 39 Lavor Postell United States SG St. John's
2001 2 38 Michael Wright United States PF Arizona
2001 2 42 Eric Chenowith United States C Kansas
2002 1 7 Nenê Brazil PF/C Vasco da Gama (Brazil)
2002 2 36 Miloš Vujanić Serbia and Montenegro PG KK Partizan (Serbia)
2003 1 9 Michael Sweetney United States PF Georgetown
2003 2 30 Maciej Lampe Poland F/C Real Madrid (Spain)
2003 2 39 Slavko Vraneš Serbia and Montenegro C Budućnost Podgorica (Montenegro)
2004 2 44 Trevor Ariza United States SF UCLA
2005 1 8 Channing Frye United States PF/C Arizona
2005 1 30 David Lee+ United States PF/C Florida
2005 2 54 Dijon Thompson United States SG/SF UCLA
2006 1 20 Renaldo Balkman United States SF/PF South Carolina
2006 1 29 Mardy Collins United States PG/SG Temple
2007 1 23 Wilson Chandler United States SF DePaul
2008 1 6 Danilo Gallinari Italy SF Olimpia Milano (Italy)
2009 1 8 Jordan Hill United States PF Arizona
2010 2 38 Andy Rautins Canada SG Syracuse
2010 2 39 Landry Fields United States SG Stanford
2011 1 17 Iman Shumpert United States SG/PG Georgia Tech
2012 2 48 Kostas Papanikolaou Greece PF Olympiacos (Greece)
2013 1 24 Tim Hardaway, Jr. United States G University of Michi

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VCoug
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5/20/2014  7:20 PM
Well, we have no idea how to make trades or sign free agents either so...
Now the joy of my world is in Zion How beautiful if nothing more Than to wait at Zion's door I've never been in love like this before Now let me pray to keep you from The perils that will surely come
holfresh
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5/20/2014  7:31 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/20/2014  7:34 PM
Rod Strickland was the best of the bunch and we traded him for Mo' Cheeks who was in his 14th season and played like it...Those days guys went to college for 4 years..
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5/20/2014  7:35 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/20/2014  7:35 PM
holfresh wrote:Rod Strickland was the best of the bunch and we traded him for Mo' Cheeks who was in his 14th season and played like it...Those days guys went to college for 4 years..

I'm not sure if that's an accomplishment, lol.

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5/20/2014  7:47 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
holfresh wrote:Rod Strickland was the best of the bunch and we traded him for Mo' Cheeks who was in his 14th season and played like it...Those days guys went to college for 4 years..

I'm not sure if that's an accomplishment, lol.


Maybe not for 34 years of drafting but Strickland was legit..He never got the credit for how good he was..
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5/20/2014  7:49 PM
holfresh wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
holfresh wrote:Rod Strickland was the best of the bunch and we traded him for Mo' Cheeks who was in his 14th season and played like it...Those days guys went to college for 4 years..

I'm not sure if that's an accomplishment, lol.


Maybe not for 34 years of drafting but Strickland was legit..He never got the credit for how good he was..

I respected Strickland and his career. The comment was made in jest, at the expense of our ****ty draft picks. I feel like a starting 5 of UK posters could beat any combination of those guys.

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5/20/2014  7:52 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
holfresh wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
holfresh wrote:Rod Strickland was the best of the bunch and we traded him for Mo' Cheeks who was in his 14th season and played like it...Those days guys went to college for 4 years..

I'm not sure if that's an accomplishment, lol.


Maybe not for 34 years of drafting but Strickland was legit..He never got the credit for how good he was..

I respected Strickland and his career. The comment was made in jest, at the expense of our ****ty draft picks. I feel like a starting 5 of UK posters could beat any combination of those guys.

It's a pretty sad tale all around..

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5/20/2014  8:08 PM
holfresh wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
holfresh wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
holfresh wrote:Rod Strickland was the best of the bunch and we traded him for Mo' Cheeks who was in his 14th season and played like it...Those days guys went to college for 4 years..

I'm not sure if that's an accomplishment, lol.


Maybe not for 34 years of drafting but Strickland was legit..He never got the credit for how good he was..

I respected Strickland and his career. The comment was made in jest, at the expense of our ****ty draft picks. I feel like a starting 5 of UK posters could beat any combination of those guys.

It's a pretty sad tale all around..

Would it be the Knicks if it wasn't?

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5/20/2014  10:50 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/20/2014  10:56 PM
We currently do not own any draft picks this summer

We own very limited draft picks in the near future

We were not the best in selecting potential players but in the past decade I think there have been some good talents, however none have been "ALL STAR, Franchise talets"

However, in my opinion, our problem has been

1- development of talent

2- chemistry/fit of players and draft choices

3- lack of identity, structure, team philosphy, a Head Coach and Managment working together, and most importanly patience

4- many times, not drafting our needs and forcing to draft for a franchise player when they are not that type with our poor development/medical team

5- poor usuage of cap space, with poor deals/trades, and missing out on gamble after each risk/reward taken

Nene
Ariza
Wilson Chandler
David Lee

Nate Robinson, Gallo, Frye, Jordan Hill are not bad players, though there were other talents that were better

Fields/Iman suffered from the above...

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5/21/2014  12:21 AM
holfresh wrote:Rod Strickland was the best of the bunch and we traded him for Mo' Cheeks who was in his 14th season and played like it...Those days guys went to college for 4 years..

Strickland was very good though better in his Portland years.

While Houston and Spree were way overrated in my opinion, Rod was extremely underrated by the knicks fan base.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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5/21/2014  12:56 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/21/2014  12:57 AM
RonRon wrote:We currently do not own any draft picks this summer

We own very limited draft picks in the near future

We were not the best in selecting potential players but in the past decade I think there have been some good talents, however none have been "ALL STAR, Franchise talets"

However, in my opinion, our problem has been

1- development of talent

2- chemistry/fit of players and draft choices

3- lack of identity, structure, team philosphy, a Head Coach and Managment working together, and most importanly patience

4- many times, not drafting our needs and forcing to draft for a franchise player when they are not that type with our poor development/medical team

5- poor usuage of cap space, with poor deals/trades, and missing out on gamble after each risk/reward taken

Nene
Ariza
Wilson Chandler
David Lee

Nate Robinson, Gallo, Frye, Jordan Hill are not bad players, though there were other talents that were better

Fields/Iman suffered from the above...

+1. We have seen to find a groove with picking players as of late. I just wish we were more shrewd about it because many of them could've been taken with a later pick. I think back to the 2008 draft for example and still can't understand why we didn't trade down and take the Nets picks at 10th and 21st. They could've picked Brook Lopez at 6th, which is who they wanted and where he was projected. We could've taken Gallo at 10 and then Ryan Andersen, Serge Ibaka or Nicolas Batum at 21st. We've continue to reach on players, year-after-year and that as hurt us just as much in the draft.

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5/21/2014  8:43 AM
HIndsight 20-20 gives the clairity.

Last nite someone lamented about Lance Stephanson but as a knick I think this young talented headcase would have melted in NYC. Dude is a young JR smith and in NY it would have been magnified. With INdy, he could develop and now we can see the benefits of patience. Its a contract year and he is all in and at the same time rumored to be a toxic presence on the team.

Knicks problem is not having the picks to take flyers on Euro's.

In the New CBA rookie contracts are very important. Teams can sustain a long time thru the draft by developing players and if the team can't afford them, then trade them for what you need or younger assets/Picks.

I the new CBA we basically have a final four of small market teams. Miami not so much but teams like Indy and OKC can sustain because the playing field is more level.

SAS was brilliant before but the process does enhance their efforts. Kwai and Splitter are beneficiaries of a patient system. They also love the work ethic of the international player and seek them to plug into their system.

Lets hope PHil can build a culture that not just wins, but respects the "System" and can have confidence in it. When you see a boris diaw type player shake free isn't it about "thats a guy that can play for us!" and obtaining them on the cheap? Bellinni is another example. Guys that fit the system and cost next to nothing to get. Phils teams in LA and CHI had a lot of that as well.

That is my hope.

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5/21/2014  9:09 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/21/2014  9:09 AM
And when we do take flyers on Euros, this is what happens:

1999 1 15 Frédéric Weis# France C CSP Limoges (France)
2002 1 7 Nenê Brazil PF/C Vasco da Gama (Brazil)
2002 2 36 Miloš Vujanić Serbia and Montenegro PG KK Partizan (Serbia)
2003 1 9 Michael Sweetney United States PF Georgetown
2003 2 30 Maciej Lampe Poland F/C Real Madrid (Spain)
2003 2 39 Slavko Vraneš Serbia and Montenegro C Budućnost Podgorica (Montenegro)
2008 1 6 Danilo Gallinari Italy SF Olimpia Milano (Italy)
2012 2 48 Kostas Papanikolaou Greece PF Olympiacos (Greece)

Nothing like having a draft defecit with the Continent.

I included Sweetney because turns out he's from Mars.

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5/21/2014  9:12 AM
This team has been a mismosh since Dolan took over. UNLIKE the SPURS OKC etc.. we really have only used the draft to facilitate trades. We also had a long period of time when IT was the coach GM where the fit of players the character of players did not come into the equation. Isiah Thomas may have been the worst GM in terms of the $$$$$ he had and the complete ignorance to character in the players he traded and drafted for.

And our proof is easy.
We have spent more money per win than any franchise in any sport for the last 15 years. 15 years and weve had 13 losing seasons. The culture here in NY is terrible has been will be if Dolan continues to make his destructive path.

I kind of like what the Jets did this year--now its not a good comparison football/basketball--but this year is a unique drafting year for the NBA. We have 8-9 open roster spots with 91m already spent. IF we did acquire 1-2 1st rounders--we can also put big effort in to find possibly 3-4 more guys in the 2nd round or undrafted to help provide serious competition between players that we bring back into camp with us. Set the tone from day 1--work to earn your job a job what can you do to help us win. This is how you find gems in the 2nd round or undrafted. A commitment to the process. A commitment to a winning culture.

RIP Crushalot😞
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5/21/2014  9:48 AM
jrodmc wrote:And when we do take flyers on Euros, this is what happens:

1999 1 15 Frédéric Weis# France C CSP Limoges (France)
2002 1 7 Nenê Brazil PF/C Vasco da Gama (Brazil)
2002 2 36 Miloš Vujanić Serbia and Montenegro PG KK Partizan (Serbia)
2003 1 9 Michael Sweetney United States PF Georgetown
2003 2 30 Maciej Lampe Poland F/C Real Madrid (Spain)
2003 2 39 Slavko Vraneš Serbia and Montenegro C Budućnost Podgorica (Montenegro)
2008 1 6 Danilo Gallinari Italy SF Olimpia Milano (Italy)
2012 2 48 Kostas Papanikolaou Greece PF Olympiacos (Greece)

Nothing like having a draft defecit with the Continent.

I included Sweetney because turns out he's from Mars.

He's large and round enough to be his own planet.

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5/21/2014  9:57 AM
NardDogNation wrote:
jrodmc wrote:And when we do take flyers on Euros, this is what happens:

1999 1 15 Frédéric Weis# France C CSP Limoges (France)
2002 1 7 Nenê Brazil PF/C Vasco da Gama (Brazil)
2002 2 36 Miloš Vujanić Serbia and Montenegro PG KK Partizan (Serbia)
2003 1 9 Michael Sweetney United States PF Georgetown
2003 2 30 Maciej Lampe Poland F/C Real Madrid (Spain)
2003 2 39 Slavko Vraneš Serbia and Montenegro C Budućnost Podgorica (Montenegro)
2008 1 6 Danilo Gallinari Italy SF Olimpia Milano (Italy)
2012 2 48 Kostas Papanikolaou Greece PF Olympiacos (Greece)

Nothing like having a draft defecit with the Continent.

I included Sweetney because turns out he's from Mars.

He's large and round enough to be his own planet.

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5/21/2014  10:02 AM
jrodmc wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
jrodmc wrote:And when we do take flyers on Euros, this is what happens:

1999 1 15 Frédéric Weis# France C CSP Limoges (France)
2002 1 7 Nenê Brazil PF/C Vasco da Gama (Brazil)
2002 2 36 Miloš Vujanić Serbia and Montenegro PG KK Partizan (Serbia)
2003 1 9 Michael Sweetney United States PF Georgetown
2003 2 30 Maciej Lampe Poland F/C Real Madrid (Spain)
2003 2 39 Slavko Vraneš Serbia and Montenegro C Budućnost Podgorica (Montenegro)
2008 1 6 Danilo Gallinari Italy SF Olimpia Milano (Italy)
2012 2 48 Kostas Papanikolaou Greece PF Olympiacos (Greece)

Nothing like having a draft defecit with the Continent.

I included Sweetney because turns out he's from Mars.

He's large and round enough to be his own planet.

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5/21/2014  10:27 AM
The fact that we employed a brain trust that drafted this guy says it all...
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5/21/2014  11:06 AM
holfresh wrote:The fact that we employed a brain trust that drafted this guy says it all...

I thought that he was the best of the rest in 2003. His main problem, was his eating problem. Had it not been for that, I think he would've been a really good pro in the stratosphere of a Chris Kaman (as far as effectiveness, not skill-set, goes).

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5/21/2014  11:12 AM
I remember all the stuff Postell used to say about how good he was and under appreciated.

Strickland forced a trade from NY because he didn't want to back up Jax. Later cost the Spurs a chance at a trip to the finals with a very risky no look, behind the back pass in crunch time that resulted in a turnover. Great talent but had his share of issues.

The Years of terrible terrible drafting, trade em all

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