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mreinman
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5/6/2014  10:57 AM
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/mariano-rivera-disses-robinson-cano-in-new-book--says-he-prefers-dustin-pedroia-053522331.html

Mariano Rivera isn't the type to throw shade at people — teammates, ex-teammates, rivals, whoever it may be. So it's a bit of an eyebrow-raiser to find out that Mo slams ex-New York Yankees teammate Robinson Cano in his new book, "The Closer," which is out Tuesday. It's not surprising, really. Just juicy.

Rivera, who retired from the Yankees last season as baseball's all-time saves leader, questions Cano's drive and passion in the book. It's not new criticism for Cano, who had a reputation for not hustling enough by the end of his tenure in New York. It is, however, new to hear this from Rivera, who's usually Mr. Say the Right Thing.


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From the New York Daily News (whose Wayne Coffey helped Rivera write the book):
In his new autobiography, “The Closer,” Rivera writes about how much affection he has for his former teammate, but adds, “This guy has so much talent I don’t know where to start... There is no doubt that he is a Hall-of-Fame caliber (player). It’s just a question of whether he finds the drive you need to get there. I don’t think Robby burns to be the best... You don’t see that red-hot passion in him that you see in most elite players.”
As for his favorite second baseman, Rivera says Red Sox Dustin Pedroia is “at the top of the list” of players he admires, adding: “Nobody plays harder, gives more, wants to win more. He comes at you hard for twenty-seven outs. It’s a special thing to see.”
He later writes, “If I have to win one game, I’d have a hard time taking anybody over Dustin Pedroia as my second baseman.”
Ouch. Of course, most Yankees fans hate Cano now too, since he left for $240 million to join the Seattle Mariners. So Rivera saying he prefers the Boston Red Sox second baseman isn't as blasphemous as it might seem.

This brings to mind a similar situation this spring, in which Yankees hitting coach Kevin Long questioned Cano's hustle publicly. Lloyd McClendon, Cano's new manager in Seattle, went to bat for his star afterward.

It'll be interesting to see who — if anyone — comes to Cano's defense against Rivera.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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5/6/2014  11:01 AM
I saw that and I feel the same way about Robby, even in spite of how good he is. I live in DC and the Caps fans are always heartbroken because Alexander Ovechkin is the same way. Your best player can't take plays off
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5/6/2014  11:02 AM
I was glad to see him go. The yankees did their real winning with hustle and clutch players which he is neither of.
so here is what phil is thinking ....
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5/6/2014  11:04 AM
river really likes cano, so I know he probably means no harm, but he is being honest.. mariano is a class act and we all know cano has all world talent, but at times didn't play to that level..

I wanted to keep him, but not at 240 mil. no way no how!!!! Later cano....

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5/6/2014  11:05 AM
SupremeCommander wrote:I saw that and I feel the same way about Robby, even in spite of how good he is. I live in DC and the Caps fans are always heartbroken because Alexander Ovechkin is the same way. Your best player can't take plays off

I don't really follow hockey as much as my friends do.. but Ovechkin is a hell of a talent, but I also hear, he takes plays off as you said.. very sad, because when I watch him play, even as novice hockey fan, you can see this guy oooooozes with talent..

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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5/6/2014  11:08 AM
I wonder if people will be signing the same tune when btran goes on the DL. Cc and kuroda start to decay and continue their crappy pitching and the Yankees miss the playoffs with a $250mil payroll.

Loving Tanaka and Elsbury though

Tex looks great.

Jeter needs to be moved down. It's time. Maybe even move to 3rd when Ryan returns
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5/6/2014  11:10 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/6/2014  11:10 AM
tkf wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:I saw that and I feel the same way about Robby, even in spite of how good he is. I live in DC and the Caps fans are always heartbroken because Alexander Ovechkin is the same way. Your best player can't take plays off

I don't really follow hockey as much as my friends do.. but Ovechkin is a hell of a talent, but I also hear, he takes plays off as you said.. very sad, because when I watch him play, even as novice hockey fan, you can see this guy oooooozes with talent..

I'm a huge Rangers fan but my fiance and all her friends are Caps fans... Alex does this thing where the tougher/bigger the moment, the more he drifts to the perimeter on offense. And when he's coasting the guy he should be putting into the glass skates up ice full speed and scores

DLeethal wrote: Lol Rick needs a safe space
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5/6/2014  11:10 AM
I was really pissed Yanks didnt resign him at first. Mostly because they spent huge money to bring in Elsbury who is 30, always hurt and his game is based on athleticism. Yanks might as well have given Jose Reyes $170mm. Elsbury is an impact player, when he plays. Then you have Cano who all he does is hit and get gold gloves and never misses games. Thats the fan in me being pissed about losing a guy I have seen come through the system, but the Yanks were right. Namely because Cano never ever hits in the postseason, and if you the Yanks and your paying a guy $20mm plus he better have shown he can get some hits on October, and Cano has yet to show that in many years of chances. Yanks did the right thing...

On Rivera.. is that a dis? Sounds more like he just called it like he saw it. Tons of talet, loafs a bit and not a leader.

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5/6/2014  11:15 AM
Pedroia is the better defender with far more range. Gold Glove voters are dumb (bernie williams).
so here is what phil is thinking ....
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5/6/2014  11:18 AM
SupremeCommander wrote:
tkf wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:I saw that and I feel the same way about Robby, even in spite of how good he is. I live in DC and the Caps fans are always heartbroken because Alexander Ovechkin is the same way. Your best player can't take plays off

I don't really follow hockey as much as my friends do.. but Ovechkin is a hell of a talent, but I also hear, he takes plays off as you said.. very sad, because when I watch him play, even as novice hockey fan, you can see this guy oooooozes with talent..

I'm a huge Rangers fan but my fiance and all her friends are Caps fans... Alex does this thing where the tougher/bigger the moment, the more he drifts to the perimeter on offense. And when he's coasting the guy he should be putting into the glass skates up ice full speed and scores

I like the rangers too... and yea I am sure that is frustrating with Alexander... very frustrating as a fan..

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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5/6/2014  11:22 AM
fishmike wrote:I was really pissed Yanks didnt resign him at first. Mostly because they spent huge money to bring in Elsbury who is 30, always hurt and his game is based on athleticism. Yanks might as well have given Jose Reyes $170mm. Elsbury is an impact player, when he plays. Then you have Cano who all he does is hit and get gold gloves and never misses games. Thats the fan in me being pissed about losing a guy I have seen come through the system, but the Yanks were right. Namely because Cano never ever hits in the postseason, and if you the Yanks and your paying a guy $20mm plus he better have shown he can get some hits on October, and Cano has yet to show that in many years of chances. Yanks did the right thing...

On Rivera.. is that a dis? Sounds more like he just called it like he saw it. Tons of talet, loafs a bit and not a leader.

I was ok with letting cano walk. Done giving out decade long deals to 30yr olds

UNTIL THE YANKEES WENT OUT AND SPENT ANOTHER $300m in FA's! Might as well have signed cano. No salary cap in baseball!

I was also under the impression the were staying under $180m to avoid astronomical luxury tax hit. What the F happened?

They realized fan Interest was waning at the park and on YES. It's not easy to replace a productive hitter like cano. He had his moments in the postseason and struggled like every one does. Beltran and Jeter to a lesser extent.

P.S. Brian Roberts our new 2nd baseman is done. He's awful. Yankees will have a hard time scoring runs this year. Unvelievabke considering they let cano walk and spent $300m in the offseason!
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5/6/2014  11:27 AM
gunsnewing wrote:I wonder if people will be signing the same tune when btran goes on the DL. Cc and kuroda start to decay and continue their crappy pitching and the Yankees miss the playoffs with a $250mil payroll.

Loving Tanaka and Elsbury though

Tex looks great.

Jeter needs to be moved down. It's time. Maybe even move to 3rd when Ryan returns

It's good thing our division isn't stack this seasn, but it's as wide as it's ever been

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5/6/2014  11:56 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/6/2014  11:57 AM
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gunsnewing wrote:I wonder if people will be signing the same tune when btran goes on the DL. Cc and kuroda start to decay and continue their crappy pitching and the Yankees miss the playoffs with a $250mil payroll.

Loving Tanaka and Elsbury though

Tex looks great.

Jeter needs to be moved down. It's time. Maybe even move to 3rd when Ryan returns

It's good thing our division isn't stack this seasn, but it's as wide as it's ever been


I'm struggling to decide whether Dolan or the Steinbrenners are running their teams worse.
Both outspend everyone just to be around .500! I can't believe we got stuck with this in NY! I miss George
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5/6/2014  11:59 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/6/2014  12:02 PM
^Exactly! George is rolling over in his grave with clownsime Cashman and the Steinbrenner kids running the show and tarnishing the yankee brand. Derek Jeter is not a happy camper either

Cashmman mistreated Bernie Jeter and cano. Never would've happened under George. Those guys had ultimate respect for him
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5/6/2014  12:09 PM
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fishmike wrote:I was really pissed Yanks didnt resign him at first. Mostly because they spent huge money to bring in Elsbury who is 30, always hurt and his game is based on athleticism. Yanks might as well have given Jose Reyes $170mm. Elsbury is an impact player, when he plays. Then you have Cano who all he does is hit and get gold gloves and never misses games. Thats the fan in me being pissed about losing a guy I have seen come through the system, but the Yanks were right. Namely because Cano never ever hits in the postseason, and if you the Yanks and your paying a guy $20mm plus he better have shown he can get some hits on October, and Cano has yet to show that in many years of chances. Yanks did the right thing...

On Rivera.. is that a dis? Sounds more like he just called it like he saw it. Tons of talet, loafs a bit and not a leader.

I was ok with letting cano walk. Done giving out decade long deals to 30yr olds

UNTIL THE YANKEES WENT OUT AND SPENT ANOTHER $300m in FA's! Might as well have signed cano. No salary cap in baseball!

I was also under the impression the were staying under $180m to avoid astronomical luxury tax hit. What the F happened?

They realized fan Interest was waning at the park and on YES. It's not easy to replace a productive hitter like cano. He had his moments in the postseason and struggled like every one does. Beltran and Jeter to a lesser extent.

P.S. Brian Roberts our new 2nd baseman is done. He's awful. Yankees will have a hard time scoring runs this year. Unvelievabke considering they let cano walk and spent $300m in the offseason!

that was my knock... if your going to spend that money bring your own guy back. Not one who is always hurt
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5/6/2014  12:37 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/6/2014  12:43 PM
Cano was one of my favorite Yanks of all time but Mo's criticism here is just. I often questioned the same thing -- I'm sure a lot of Yankee fans did...How much does Robbie really want it? The obvious lack of hustle at times, the overall carefree attitude he seems to play with -- you can't help but watch and question him at times. Not that I think he's so bad to the point that these issues ever cost us games but it just makes you question his leadership at times, his ability to set the tone and set an example of how hard everyone needs to play and how things need to be done. Great player but he's not a guy that brings those type of intangibles to the party. Just not a guy that goes at it 150%. And that's exactly why he's not here anymore. Probably the #1 reason why the Yanks chose not to go over a certain number for him (what was it $175mm? Hardly a sign of disrespect btw, Robbie! )...Dustin Pedroia, on the other hand, brings these things to the table and by the truckload -- that's the difference...Even though he's on the Red Sox, I LOVE Pedroia. Always have, always will...Absolutely love the guy. Wish he was in pinstripes. Boston is damn lucky to have that guy. Easily my favorite player on a team other than the Yankees. Always has been since he hit the show. Again, just like his comments on Cano, everything Mo says here about Pedroia is spot on. I've always thought the exact same things...No problem at all with anything Mo's had to say here on both players. Very perceptive.
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5/6/2014  12:58 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/6/2014  1:02 PM
Say it ain't so..Mariano dissing a long time teammate for a RedSox..Mariano didn't have the backbone to stand up to the CoreFour nonsense either when Bernie was excluded..Jeter, and Posada too for that matter...Company man...No Cahones..Say it ain't so...

Everyone grooves to their own beat to determine who they are...His speed isn't your speed...Cano is a laid back guy and that's how he roles...Why does he have to act like some else to be appreciated??...He produces and that's it..Paul Oniel used to beat up the water cooler in the dugout, intense..Some folks like that stuff..I don't get it...
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5/6/2014  1:16 PM
Forgot about the mistreatment of posada too
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5/6/2014  1:19 PM
mreinman wrote:I was glad to see him go. The yankees did their real winning with hustle and clutch players which he is neither of.

I miss those teams. Haven't watched the Yanks in years now. Started to lose interest after they screwed Tino Martinez
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5/6/2014  3:46 PM
Bernie and Steinbrenner left the yankees at the same time.

Lets not get too swept up on how great George was. By him fading in to the background the great team was allowed to come together. Yankees won in 2009, three years after George left.

At some time a player has to know when to go and if you don't, well they gonna tell you. Bernie was ineffective and was willing to come back, but he was pretty much finished. Posada got paid very well, maybe over compensated for his last year. If you want the nice good bye, then know when to say when.

Im ok with Yanks not resigning Cano. Im sure he'll be great for a few years but its a long ass conract and his money was well spend in other areas. We proved we can not contend with him and I doubt this team will hold up a full season.

Actually the division is pretty strong top to bottom. It won't be easy.

Gotta build thru the minors to be great.
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