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fishmike
Posts: 53864 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/19/2002 Member: #298 USA |
5/5/2014 4:02 PM
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hardeja01.html
Look at the playoff stats... Harden is interesting and he's been compared to Melo around here. Certainly both are scorers and that is their role. Huge drop in his shooting %s with Houston. Is this the same player? "winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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mreinman
Posts: 37827 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/14/2010 Member: #3189 |
5/5/2014 4:06 PM
fishmike wrote:http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hardeja01.html His long regular season was pretty good. And, he was the number one option. Perhaps their playoff style needs to be tweaked and they should get a real PG. so here is what phil is thinking ....
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dk7th
Posts: 30006 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 5/14/2012 Member: #4228 USA |
5/5/2014 4:08 PM
mreinman wrote:fishmike wrote:http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hardeja01.html he and westbrook need to tighten up their games. they have another season or two to do that before they are overpaid like melo is overpaid. knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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Bonn1997
Posts: 58654 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 2/2/2004 Member: #581 USA |
5/5/2014 4:09 PM
mreinman wrote:fishmike wrote:http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hardeja01.html Exactly. At $13.7 mil (less than Tyson), he's basically paid to be a #3 man anyway. |
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mreinman
Posts: 37827 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/14/2010 Member: #3189 |
5/5/2014 4:12 PM
dk7th wrote:mreinman wrote:fishmike wrote:http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hardeja01.html Harden is super efficient in the regular season and has failed the last 2 playoffs with no PG (and shady shot selection) Westbrook has been spotty during the regular season. He is also the PG so it would be nice if he was less of a chucker. And, he is a bad 3 point shooter. Westbrook is the better defender by a lot. Good chance westbrook gets traded this offseason and I hope that its not to us. so here is what phil is thinking ....
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mreinman
Posts: 37827 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/14/2010 Member: #3189 |
5/5/2014 4:13 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:fishmike wrote:http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hardeja01.html Thats not by choice, that is the max he can get and he will probably sign another max if he continues to have great regular seasons. so here is what phil is thinking ....
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Bonn1997
Posts: 58654 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 2/2/2004 Member: #581 USA |
5/5/2014 4:18 PM
mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:fishmike wrote:http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hardeja01.html Choice doesn't matter though. It counts the same on the payroll as Tyson's salary. |
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mreinman
Posts: 37827 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/14/2010 Member: #3189 |
5/5/2014 4:20 PM LAST EDITED: 5/5/2014 4:20 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:fishmike wrote:http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hardeja01.html it doesn't ... but just curious ... if he was a FA this off season, how much do you think that he would get? so here is what phil is thinking ....
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Uptown
Posts: 31325 Alba Posts: 3 Joined: 4/1/2008 Member: #1883 |
5/5/2014 4:24 PM LAST EDITED: 5/5/2014 4:25 PM
fishmike wrote:http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hardeja01.html Be careful comparing Harden and Melo on this site. Harden is a winner because he played in the finals. Melo is a loser because he didn't play in the finals. Doesn't matter that Harden played with Durant ( a player that is 2x better than anyone Melo has ever played with here or in Colorado) and Westbrook is also arguably better than anyone Melo played with. Don't bother presenting any circumstantial evidence because it will be ignored. Bottom line, Harden + Finals = Better than Melo...Deal with it |
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smackeddog
Posts: 38391 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 3/30/2005 Member: #883 |
5/5/2014 4:50 PM
His defense was beyond awful all season
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fishmike
Posts: 53864 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/19/2002 Member: #298 USA |
5/5/2014 4:52 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:it does matter. You say he's being paid like Tyson so its OK, but he's a MAX player. Houston is paying him to be their #1 option. Thats why they traded for him and gave him a huge extension. When this contract is up he will be eligible for Melo-money.mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:fishmike wrote:http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hardeja01.html But I dont really care about money. I care about the role. Harden is the lead scorer for the Rockets no? two playoffs in a row he has been pretty poor "winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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LegendaryKnicks
Posts: 20031 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/4/2014 Member: #5803 Canada |
5/5/2014 4:53 PM
Uptown wrote:fishmike wrote:http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hardeja01.html Quote for truth. This should be stickied and sent out to everyone in a mass PM. |
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fishmike
Posts: 53864 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/19/2002 Member: #298 USA |
5/5/2014 4:56 PM
LegendaryKnicks wrote:haha... there are some who still talk hoops. You just have to wade through the muck.Uptown wrote:fishmike wrote:http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hardeja01.html "winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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gunsnewing
Posts: 55076 Alba Posts: 5 Joined: 2/24/2002 Member: #215 USA |
5/5/2014 4:56 PM
Uptown wrote:fishmike wrote:http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hardeja01.html I would prefer harden. A lot younger and not much of a dropoff. He has a lot of years on Melo to fix the kinks in his game. Don't know why Michael was brought back unless they are trading harden and makin Dwight the focus |
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SupremeCommander
Posts: 34064 Alba Posts: 35 Joined: 4/28/2006 Member: #1127 |
5/5/2014 5:08 PM
fishmike wrote:LegendaryKnicks wrote:haha... there are some who still talk hoops. You just have to wade through the muck.Uptown wrote:fishmike wrote:http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hardeja01.html send closk DLeethal wrote:
Lol Rick needs a safe space
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Bonn1997
Posts: 58654 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 2/2/2004 Member: #581 USA |
5/5/2014 6:29 PM
mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:fishmike wrote:http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hardeja01.html Oh I'm sure he'd get the max he could be offered. |
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tkf
Posts: 36487 Alba Posts: 6 Joined: 8/13/2001 Member: #87 |
5/5/2014 11:17 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:fishmike wrote:http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hardeja01.html pretty much... Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser...............
TKF
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tkf
Posts: 36487 Alba Posts: 6 Joined: 8/13/2001 Member: #87 |
5/5/2014 11:19 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Uptown wrote:fishmike wrote:http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hardeja01.html what they really need is a defensive wing player, and for harden to just work on his defense as well. They ran into a pretty good blazers team.. I think Mchale waited way too long to adjust to Aldridge and let him get off big in the first two games, and that killed them.. they are young, this was year one.... they have the assets to add the pieces they need... Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser...............
TKF
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