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BRIGGS
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3/25/2014  8:51 AM
I know hes been talked about a few times here--but his play has been all star level--winning makes--I dont see how the Pelicans keep Evans Holiday and Gordon--if theyd like to trade us Tyreke for an ending contract--and a future restricted pick--I would do that. I dont see us getting a better player in FA in 2 years.
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knicks1248
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3/25/2014  9:05 AM
phil likes big guards who can handle the rock too, his defense obviously needs help, but i have been wanting him on the team ever since he came into the league.
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3/25/2014  9:19 AM
This is like seeing a good stretch of Bargnani's play and thinking we should give up 3 picks to get him!
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3/25/2014  9:28 AM
i bit my tongue on making a post briggs.. i watched that game last night. evans was dominate and the best player on the floor. still funny how guys here think we couldn't use him.
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BRIGGS
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3/25/2014  9:31 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:This is like seeing a good stretch of Bargnani's play and thinking we should give up 3 picks to get him!

Not even close.

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3/25/2014  9:49 AM
We have a great track record of success with players who are disappointing for years, then play well for a couple of weeks- I say we trade all of our draft picks for the next 5 years.
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3/25/2014  9:52 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:This is like seeing a good stretch of Bargnani's play and thinking we should give up 3 picks to get him!

The sac team was bad he played on Bonn, I know what your thinking, but even on that team he showed promise..maybe not as consistant as you would like, but no one really consistant on a bad team

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3/25/2014  10:12 AM
I agree with Bonn. The guy is having a good month. One good month does not make a player. Also, he sucks on defense. Give me a pg that can defend the PnR and shoot the three. Those are two things Evans can't do. I'd rather go with Shump at point.
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3/25/2014  10:17 AM
smackeddog wrote:We have a great track record of success with players who are disappointing for years, then play well for a couple of weeks- I say we trade all of our draft picks for the next 5 years.

disappointing for years? a PG averaging 16/5/5/45%fg is disappointing? he's dealt with plantar fascia issues the past 2 years which have limited both his athleticism and availability, which have led to those down numbers.

by the way his play since being inserted into the NOR starting lineup (just for ****s and giggles):
11 games/22.4ppg/5.8apg/5.6rpg/55%fg

if you can't see we could use this guy, you don't know what you're looking at.

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3/25/2014  10:18 AM
tyreke evans is talented but a loser. i dont want losers, like him, JR, eric gordon, rudy gay on my team
Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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3/25/2014  10:24 AM
JR Smith part 2, no thanks.
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3/25/2014  10:29 AM
nyk4ever wrote:
smackeddog wrote:We have a great track record of success with players who are disappointing for years, then play well for a couple of weeks- I say we trade all of our draft picks for the next 5 years.

disappointing for years? a PG averaging 16/5/5/45%fg is disappointing? he's dealt with plantar fascia issues the past 2 years which have limited both his athleticism and availability, which have led to those down numbers.

by the way his play since being inserted into the NOR starting lineup (just for ****s and giggles):
11 games/22.4ppg/5.8apg/5.6rpg/55%fg

if you can't see we could use this guy, you don't know what you're looking at.

He has had a very inefficient career, but lets look at this year:

His eFG% this year is 44% that is beyond awful.

He is a horrible 3 point shooter which is crucial for a guard.

He is not a good defender.

This guy is exactly the player that I don't want on this team.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/25/2014  10:34 AM
Since when was 44% from a guard considered awful? H20 who we agree was a pure shooter shot 43% for his career. Guards rarely shoot over 48% in those days it was Jordan and Miller at times. Bigs shoot over 50% because they are closer to the basket
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3/25/2014  10:35 AM
gunsnewing wrote:Since when was 44% from a guard considered awful? H20 who we agree was a pure shooter shot 43% for his career. Guards rarely shoot over 48% in those days it was Jordan and Miller at times. Bigs shoot over 50% because they are closer to the basket

No that's the efg%, which adjusts for 3s
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3/25/2014  10:36 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/25/2014  10:36 AM
gunsnewing wrote:Since when was 44% from a guard considered awful? H20 who we agree was a pure shooter shot 43% for his career. Guards rarely shoot over 48% in those days it was Jordan and Miller at times. Bigs shoot over 50% because they are closer to the basket

Its not his FG% that is 44% but his eFG% which takes into account Free throws and 3 pointers. His FG% this year is 43%.

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3/25/2014  10:37 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/25/2014  10:38 AM
The only problem Tyreke has had is nagging injuries being played out of position and a porous jump shot. But when you put him in the right position--lead PG and hes healthy--the guy can do 20-7-6 45%++ and with a body like his 6-6 225 hes always a mismatch. If you look at games where he is healthy and he plays 30++ minutes at the lead PG position--he's an all star caliber guy. They cant keep all of those guys so one of our ending contracts + a limited pick would be solid. When Tyreke is healthy and playing lead PG he's a really good player. You could not put up his numbers and WIN if you werent good. Look at their W_L when he was inserted theyve beat many good teams.
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3/25/2014  10:40 AM
mreinman wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
smackeddog wrote:We have a great track record of success with players who are disappointing for years, then play well for a couple of weeks- I say we trade all of our draft picks for the next 5 years.

disappointing for years? a PG averaging 16/5/5/45%fg is disappointing? he's dealt with plantar fascia issues the past 2 years which have limited both his athleticism and availability, which have led to those down numbers.

by the way his play since being inserted into the NOR starting lineup (just for ****s and giggles):
11 games/22.4ppg/5.8apg/5.6rpg/55%fg

if you can't see we could use this guy, you don't know what you're looking at.

He has had a very inefficient career, but lets look at this year:

His eFG% this year is 44% that is beyond awful.

He is a horrible 3 point shooter which is crucial for a guard.

He is not a good defender.

This guy is exactly the player that I don't want on this team.

dude he played awful coming off the bench, his fg% as a bench player was 40%, his fg% in 11 games as a starter is 55%. same goes for his 3p% which is 41% as a starter. huge difference there. he's not a great defender but he's definitely not below average. if that's all you come away with, that's on you. he's a triple-double threat everytime he takes the floor. and oh yeah.. any time my PG can go out at get me 6rpg, that makes up for any supposed lack of a 3pt shot.

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3/25/2014  10:45 AM
I see. What is his eFG% during this stretch where he seemingly reached his potential? Sometimes it takes guards a few years to to get there. Sometimes they never do like JR Smith. A decade in the league and still erratic as ever
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3/25/2014  10:45 AM
gunsnewing wrote:Since when was 44% from a guard considered awful? H20 who we agree was a pure shooter shot 43% for his career. Guards rarely shoot over 48% in those days it was Jordan and Miller at times. Bigs shoot over 50% because they are closer to the basket

eFG is usually higher because most (decent) guards can hit 3's. Evans can't. He is shooting 22% from 3. Is that acceptable?

Houston's eFG for his career was ~49%. Not great but ok.

Jeff Hornacek (who I believe was grossly underrated) had an eFG of 53 for his career and a TS of 59 which is insanely good for a guard.

Kyle Lowry who is having a very good year (and I wish we traded for him) has an eFG this year of 51% and a TS of 57.

Dragic who is along with Noah is one of my top couple of favorite players in the NBA has an eFG of ~57 and a TS of 61!!!!

Enough with the inefficient players, lets hope that the knicks start looking for players who are above average in efficiency.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/25/2014  10:48 AM
H1AND1 wrote:JR Smith part 2, no thanks.

That's actually a discredit to JR, who has had efficient season and even in his poor years have had longer stretches of dominant play.

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