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nixluva
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3/12/2014  6:12 PM
No matter which great GM we're talking about it's NEVER just about one man. The best leaders put together great staff around them. They find mental talent to help them make the best decisions and that's what I feel Phil brings to the table. His choices for his assistants on his coaching staff have been solid and I think he'll look for great BB minds to form his staff.

I also find that Phil has made sure to have roster make up that has been very similar from team to team. He has certain types of players he likes and on his winning teams you'll find similar types of role players. This is in effect evidence of a knowledge of how he wants to build a team. We all know the type of guards and bigs that Phil has tended to have on his teams regardless of the GM. I don't believe Phil started out with this concept in mind since he arrived in Chicago with that type of team intact, but after seeing this type of team win I think he stuck with this type of team he inherited and I think he had a hand in similar moves in LA:

1988-89 - Collins    1989-90 - Jackson     1990-91 - Jackson   1991-92   1992-93
Michael Jordan 25 Michael Jordan " " "
Scottie Pippen 23 Scottie Pippen " " "
Horace Grant 23 Horace Grant " " "
Bill Cartwright 31 Bill Cartwright " " "
John Paxson 28 John Paxson " " "
Sam Vincent 25 BJ Armstrong 22 " " "
Craig Hodges 28 Craig Hodges " " Trent Tucker
Will Perdue 23 Will Perdue " " "
Dave Corzine 32 Stacey King 23 " " "
Jack Haley 25 Jack Haley Scott Williams " "
Charles Davis 30 Charles Davis Cliff Levingston " Rodney McCray

The Main thing that you see is that aside from the Jordan/Pippen duo you have PG/SG's that aren't really ball dominant but are good 3pt shooters and low turnovers. In 1995-96 when Jordan came back they had Kukoc, Rodman, Harper, Kerr and Longley.

LA 1999-2000       2000-01        2001-02          2002-03      2003-04
Shaquille O'Neal " " " "
Kobe Bryant " " " "
Ron Harper " Lindsey Hunter Kareem Rush Gary Payton
Rick Fox " " " "
Derek Fisher " " " "
Robert Horry " " " Karl Malone
Brian Shaw " " " Bryon Russell
Devean George " " " "
Glen Rice Horace Grant Samaki Walker " Horace Grant
A.C. Green S. Medvedenko " " "


You get the idea. It of course continued after they added Gasol, Bynum and Odom who fit into the kind of bigs that Phil likes to have on his teams. I'm not saying that we'll end up with the exact same formula, but it would seem that this is the most likely direction Phil would take the franchise.
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3/12/2014  6:16 PM
Nice write up
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3/12/2014  8:37 PM
EnySpree wrote:Nice write up

Thanks. I thought it would be good to get away from the frivolous negative posts and try to start talking about what Phil might look to do with the franchise. We have some clear indicators in his past.

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3/12/2014  10:43 PM
Do we still keep Melo at the 4 if we run the triangle? If that's the case, wouldn't we be better served trading him to Chicago and then signing Kevin Love in 2015?
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3/12/2014  11:27 PM
It's the 64 Million Dollar question. How does Phil see Melo as a player and how would he use him? My guess is that he would in fact use him in the Triangle not much differently than he would Kobe, but it's hard to say. Melo is certainly capable of scoring off screens with the jumper or a drive. It's not like he is just a jump shooter. The idea is to get Melo in a mismatch however you can and the Triangle would do that IMO.

The system's most important feature is the sideline triangle created by the center, who stands at the low post, the forward at the wing, and the guard at the corner. The team's other guard stands at the top of the key and the weak-side forward is on the weak-side high post — together forming the "two-man game." The goal of the offense is to fill those five spots, which creates good spacing between players and allows each one to pass to four teammates. Every pass and cut has a purpose and everything is dictated by the defense.

Melo has the skills and quickness to be the Forward in that Triangle. The Key is bringing in the Center and PG who can run it intelligently and have the skills to pass and shoot the ball as needed.

In Triangle Offense, Cuts Are Sharp and So Is Learning Curve

By JONATHAN ABRAMS
Published: December 13, 2009
MINNEAPOLIS — The rookie point guard Jonny Flynn knew little about the triangle offense when he arrived in the N.B.A., other than that Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant ran it as a conduit to championship after championship with the Bulls and the Lakers.

The Triangle Offense: Not Many Try and Few Succeed

Flynn has been cramming ever since. Kurt Rambis, the first-year Timberwolves coach and a student of the offense’s innovator, Tex Winter, has installed portions of it in Minnesota. Flynn initially thought of the offense as a freelance system that would cater to his skills with the ball.

He was wrong. The triangle offense is based on reads and rhythm, spacing and cutting. The players, beyond the center, are interchangeable. Guards play in the post, forwards on the wing. The goal is always to take the path of least resistance — unless you are a rookie learning it.

“It’s the hardest transition in any sport I’ve ever played,” Flynn said recently.

The offense can seem to be mystical and mythical. To some, it is easily digestible. Others claim it is too lethargic for the fast and frenetic N.B.A. Despite the triangle’s success — 10 of the last 19 N.B.A. champions showcased the offense — few possess the time, trust or diligence to install it.

Their reasons are plentiful, and skeptics are quick to point out that Coach Phil Jackson captured all 10 of those titles with Michael Jordan or Kobe Bryant at his disposal. (For three of them, he had Bryant and Shaquille O’Neal.)

“You’ve got to spend a lot of time on it, on its reads,” Denver Nuggets Coach George Karl said. “Most coaches are too impatient to sacrifice time teaching at the defensive end of the court for an offensive system.”

Few beyond Jackson try. Rambis is the latest coach on a short list who have, and all have links to Jackson. Tim Floyd, who succeeded Jackson in Chicago, and Jim Cleamons, a longtime Jackson assistant who briefly coached the Dallas Mavericks, had uninspired results with it.

“It has such a negative aspect to it because people don’t understand it,” Rambis said, adding that few know how to teach the offense correctly. “They just assume that you have to have Michael Jordan or Kobe Bryant to make it work, but that’s not true.”

Winter refined the offense created by Sam Barry, the former Southern California and Iowa coach, who originally called it the triple-post offense.

The triangle, created by the post, wing and corner players, revolves around seven guiding principles: the ball handler reading the defense; correct decisions based on the defense; penetration through a pass into the post; separation of 15 to 20 feet for all the offensive players; movement through sharp cuts; interchangeability in positions; and balance for defensive transition.

The triangle differs from more traditional N.B.A. offenses because it presents more options for the five players on the court. There are no set plays, just many possibilities. And when all else fails, the triangle summons a player like Bryant or Jordan to create his own scoring opportunity. Jackson installed the offense in Chicago with Winter as an assistant to neutralize the Detroit Pistons’ defensive strategy of isolating and physically challenging Jordan. Rambis served as an assistant under Jackson and alongside Winter in Los Angeles.

At Rambis’s job interview with the Timberwolves, David Kahn, the team president, stipulated he wanted the team to have an up-tempo mind-set. Rambis agreed, but he said the players needed an offensive set to flow into should they not score in transition.

He transferred only certain aspects of the offense to Minnesota. He uses one guard at the top instead of two, to showcase Flynn. The offense’s main payoff, Rambis said, is that secondary players become involved.

He explained this inside his office at the Target Center as the city experienced its first snowstorm of the season. Rambis departed the California beaches for here. If anyone other than Jackson has faith in the system, it is Rambis.

“It really teaches players how to play,” he said. “It teaches players how to move without the basketball, how to read defenses, how to play together.”

In Minnesota, the onus is on Flynn to make the correct reads and passes to start the offense. The fact that Flynn is a rookie and played in a pick-and-roll system at Syracuse is not lost on Rambis, or on Flynn.

“It’s the toughest position to learn in this league, and then I threw this on him on top of that,” Rambis said. “So, he struggled with it, and there’s a frustration process that goes along with it.”

Flynn is near the top of most statistical categories among rookies. Rambis and Kahn maintain that Flynn will develop more rapidly by learning additional sets and styles.

“I’m in the triangle now and it’s going to make me a better player learning this offense and learning how to get mine off of catches-and-shoots and running the floor and things like that,” Flynn said, before admitting: “But I’d rather be running pick-and-rolls.”

He is learning on a nightly basis. There is still much work to be done and tape to be studied. “It’s been tough,” forward Kevin Love said. “Especially since, let’s face it, we don’t have a player like Kobe Bryant on our team.”

It is a learning process. Most nights, Minnesota looks like a 3-21 team with a rookie point guard as its conductor. The Timberwolves are 27th among the league’s 30 teams in scoring at 92.5 points per game.

“The biggest thing is they don’t manipulate the players,” a Western Conference scout said. “One of the things that makes the triangle tough is, pretty much besides the center, every other piece is interchangeable. The Timberwolves have it, but it doesn’t look as crisp. As you get better talent, the triangle looks better.”

Still, Rambis’s success in Minnesota may eventually be the greatest barometer of the triangle’s staying power. The Milwaukee Bucks, the Indiana Pacers and the Nets used portions of the triangle in the recent past, as did Rick Adelman when he coached the Sacramento Kings. Floyd compiled a 41-190 record in parts of four seasons with the Bulls and did not install the offense at later coaching stops with the Hornets or at Southern Cal.

In Chicago, Jerry Krause, a former Bulls general manager, developed a rift with Jordan and wanted to prove that the offense worked well without him. He instructed Floyd to stay with the triangle offense.

“It was encouraged,” said Floyd, now a Hornets assistant. “At that time there was a lot of discussion as to why the Bulls were successful. Was it the players?”

If one of the triangle’s main components is sharing, Cleamons was sabotaged in Dallas. He went 32-70 in a little more than a season there as his main players — Jason Kidd, Jamal Mashburn and Jim Jackson — bickered.

Even so, Cleamons remains one of the offense’s biggest advocates. He says that Rambis will succeed by putting his own imprint on it. He also says the offense will survive once Jackson retires.

“The triangle is literally a junior high school offense, so if junior high players can run the triangle, then, certainly, young players of this caliber can run it,” Cleamons said. “It’s a mind-set. You just have to be open, you have to be receptive and you have to be willing to realize that you can’t dominate the basketball. If you are good to the offense, the offense will be good to you.”

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3/13/2014  12:54 AM
Here's some basic diagrams of the Triangle and some variations off the basic set.

A real life pic of the Lakers in the Triangle:

I would be curious to see how Phil would restructure the Knicks with the guys we have on the roster now. We most likely will have a similar roster next year so it would be interesting to see how they'd work the triangle and make no mistake that Phil would be working with the new coach on just how best to make it work with the current roster. My guess is that Phil is going to be looking for a Center that can be the focal point of the Triangle or maybe he puts Melo in the post as the big posting up in Gasol's spot.

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3/13/2014  1:49 AM
One HUGE point to consider with Phil's choice for coach is that there aren't many coaches out there who are proven to be able to coach the Triangle and it would seem that since Shaw has a job he's not an option. Then you have Rambis, but no one really has that much love for him as a coach. Kerr has never coached. Maybe Phil would prefer to bring in a young coach with potential and tutor that coach in the Triangle and other concepts he believes in. There's also the idea that maybe he keeps Woodson and tutors him but brings in a Tex Winter type to help with the offensive side of the ball. It's going to be very interesting to see how he handles this.
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3/13/2014  2:06 AM
nixluva wrote:One HUGE point to consider with Phil's choice for coach is that there aren't many coaches out there who are proven to be able to coach the Triangle and it would seem that since Shaw has a job he's not an option. Then you have Rambis, but no one really has that much love for him as a coach. Kerr has never coached. Maybe Phil would prefer to bring in a young coach with potential and tutor that coach in the Triangle and other concepts he believes in. There's also the idea that maybe he keeps Woodson and tutors him but brings in a Tex Winter type to help with the offensive side of the ball. It's going to be very interesting to see how he handles this.

Woody is gone.

Phil can make puppet shows of the triangle and woody would have no clue wtf he is talking about.

I like the Kerr idea. I see him as the Jeff Hornacek type. Fluid personality with the respect of his peers.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/13/2014  2:40 AM
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:One HUGE point to consider with Phil's choice for coach is that there aren't many coaches out there who are proven to be able to coach the Triangle and it would seem that since Shaw has a job he's not an option. Then you have Rambis, but no one really has that much love for him as a coach. Kerr has never coached. Maybe Phil would prefer to bring in a young coach with potential and tutor that coach in the Triangle and other concepts he believes in. There's also the idea that maybe he keeps Woodson and tutors him but brings in a Tex Winter type to help with the offensive side of the ball. It's going to be very interesting to see how he handles this.

Woody is gone.

Phil can make puppet shows of the triangle and woody would have no clue wtf he is talking about.

I like the Kerr idea. I see him as the Jeff Hornacek type. Fluid personality with the respect of his peers.

I prefer to bring in a new coach myself. I'd like someone who won't be constantly outcoached. Hard to say what kind of coach Kerr would be, but he seems to have a good understanding of the game from his comments as an announcer. It's hard to know what kind of motivator and communicator a man is just from limited examples. For me the presence of Phil helps any coach cuz he's there to lean on for advice and tutoring in practices etc. This is going to be extremely interesting to have such a resource as PJax behind the team. I remember Riley being there for Spoelstra early on and now he's settled in as a coach.

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3/13/2014  2:49 AM
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:One HUGE point to consider with Phil's choice for coach is that there aren't many coaches out there who are proven to be able to coach the Triangle and it would seem that since Shaw has a job he's not an option. Then you have Rambis, but no one really has that much love for him as a coach. Kerr has never coached. Maybe Phil would prefer to bring in a young coach with potential and tutor that coach in the Triangle and other concepts he believes in. There's also the idea that maybe he keeps Woodson and tutors him but brings in a Tex Winter type to help with the offensive side of the ball. It's going to be very interesting to see how he handles this.

Woody is gone.

Phil can make puppet shows of the triangle and woody would have no clue wtf he is talking about.

I like the Kerr idea. I see him as the Jeff Hornacek type. Fluid personality with the respect of his peers.

I prefer to bring in a new coach myself. I'd like someone who won't be constantly outcoached. Hard to say what kind of coach Kerr would be, but he seems to have a good understanding of the game from his comments as an announcer. It's hard to know what kind of motivator and communicator a man is just from limited examples. For me the presence of Phil helps any coach cuz he's there to lean on for advice and tutoring in practices etc. This is going to be extremely interesting to have such a resource as PJax behind the team. I remember Riley being there for Spoelstra early on and now he's settled in as a coach.

with such a presence at GM, you don't need as much of a rah rah motivator as you think, you need to execute the plan.

Players know that phil is watching and what he wants and expects. That will drive them. And, if the GM has the coaches back, the players will know that they need to by in and no primadonna BS.

I am just nervous that if we resign Melo, that its a tradeable contract. Don't know if he can change his ways and be more of a system guy. I think he can but I am not sold. Kobe starred in the triangle but still chucked like a complete bonehead. I would hope that Phil can limit Melo's brainless chucks and just get mostly the deeply good and talented side of him.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/13/2014  3:32 AM
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:One HUGE point to consider with Phil's choice for coach is that there aren't many coaches out there who are proven to be able to coach the Triangle and it would seem that since Shaw has a job he's not an option. Then you have Rambis, but no one really has that much love for him as a coach. Kerr has never coached. Maybe Phil would prefer to bring in a young coach with potential and tutor that coach in the Triangle and other concepts he believes in. There's also the idea that maybe he keeps Woodson and tutors him but brings in a Tex Winter type to help with the offensive side of the ball. It's going to be very interesting to see how he handles this.

Woody is gone.

Phil can make puppet shows of the triangle and woody would have no clue wtf he is talking about.

I like the Kerr idea. I see him as the Jeff Hornacek type. Fluid personality with the respect of his peers.

I prefer to bring in a new coach myself. I'd like someone who won't be constantly outcoached. Hard to say what kind of coach Kerr would be, but he seems to have a good understanding of the game from his comments as an announcer. It's hard to know what kind of motivator and communicator a man is just from limited examples. For me the presence of Phil helps any coach cuz he's there to lean on for advice and tutoring in practices etc. This is going to be extremely interesting to have such a resource as PJax behind the team. I remember Riley being there for Spoelstra early on and now he's settled in as a coach.

with such a presence at GM, you don't need as much of a rah rah motivator as you think, you need to execute the plan.

Players know that phil is watching and what he wants and expects. That will drive them. And, if the GM has the coaches back, the players will know that they need to by in and no primadonna BS.

I am just nervous that if we resign Melo, that its a tradeable contract. Don't know if he can change his ways and be more of a system guy. I think he can but I am not sold. Kobe starred in the triangle but still chucked like a complete bonehead. I would hope that Phil can limit Melo's brainless chucks and just get mostly the deeply good and talented side of him.

I think Melo would benefit from a clear and tightly focused offense like the Triangle. Once he had a chance to play in it and get a feel for it I think he would have no problem scoring off the looks he'd get. It's a departure from what he has been doing, but if he allowed himself to be coached for once in his career he might actually get to another level as a player.

I never really liked how Kobe broke the offense to do his thing. He was able to still win when he was on great teams with loads of talent and he was not quite as gun happy, but once the talent level faded and Kobe was called on to take over more, it really didn't do much more than Melo does without top tier talent. Kobe complains about MDA, but when he actually looked to setup his teammates the Lakers won more games as opposed to when he went SOLO. Guys like Kobe and Melo seem to have a hard time understanding that coaches like Karl, MDA or Phil preach TEAM BB over ME BB. There's not much difference between the coaches except that maybe Phil is better at getting thru to players and convincing them to be more team oriented. Stubborn players like Kobe and Melo need a coach like Phil, whereas lesser players excel with guys like Karl or MDA since they will actually listen. I'm hoping that if Melo stays that he will listen to Phil.

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3/13/2014  4:22 AM
Boy Nix, don't mean to incite you off but the Lakers were so damn stupid with the MDA hiring and not bringing back Pjax who wanted the job.

Losing Howard was inexcusable and Kobe is pissed now too but fuk Kobe, he is a dik.

MDA has not looked good there at all and this tenure did not help him. He will get fire and may not get another job as a head coach. We'll see.

I can't stand Karl, he has so much anger and hate and blames everyone for everything. What has he done in his career? At least with MDA, you can possibly give him some credit with the development of Nash, though I think it was more Nash than MDA.

The biggest credit that I give to MDA was that he made Raymond Phucking Felton look good. How is that even possible? Though, overall he has been an epic failure so far after PHX.

I think that perhaps Phil can get through to Melo though it won't be easy. Melo has taken ill advised shots his whole career, would be hard for him to stop. Can he benefit? He sure as hell can. Will he embrace it? I think he is going to chicago. CAA will try to stick it to Phil and melo is dumb enough to be caught it the middle. Though, I think Chicago is where he has the best chance of winning.

I think we need to be prepared for life without Carmelo. Blow it up, build a new team. Can Phil do that? Who knows, he has never had to before.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/13/2014  5:27 AM
Rick Fox for coach
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3/13/2014  9:42 AM
mreinman wrote:Boy Nix, don't mean to incite you off but the Lakers were so damn stupid with the MDA hiring and not bringing back Pjax who wanted the job.

Losing Howard was inexcusable and Kobe is pissed now too but fuk Kobe, he is a dik.

MDA has not looked good there at all and this tenure did not help him. He will get fire and may not get another job as a head coach. We'll see.

I can't stand Karl, he has so much anger and hate and blames everyone for everything. What has he done in his career? At least with MDA, you can possibly give him some credit with the development of Nash, though I think it was more Nash than MDA.

The biggest credit that I give to MDA was that he made Raymond Phucking Felton look good. How is that even possible? Though, overall he has been an epic failure so far after PHX.

I think that perhaps Phil can get through to Melo though it won't be easy. Melo has taken ill advised shots his whole career, would be hard for him to stop. Can he benefit? He sure as hell can. Will he embrace it? I think he is going to chicago. CAA will try to stick it to Phil and melo is dumb enough to be caught it the middle. Though, I think Chicago is where he has the best chance of winning.

I think we need to be prepared for life without Carmelo. Blow it up, build a new team. Can Phil do that? Who knows, he has never had to before.

What has happened in LA is not about MDA. I've watched the Lakers games the last 2 seasons and just like in NY, the teams he's had have been a mess in terms of make up and health. NO ONE could've been successful with the Lakers this year. If they fire MDA based on this roster's poor health and the lack of proven talent they really aren't being fair at all. Neither the Knicks nor Lakers have given MDA any help in making a commitment to what he does best. If Phil had been brought back I think the Lakers still would not have won anything. They'd have a solid direction, but they could have that now if only they backed MDA 100% rather than saddle him with a roster that doesn't fit him or anyone for that matter. There are a lot of new young players who MDA has been developing and some have shown some nice progress. Still it's not a team you'd expect to do big things and the one guy with the most complaints hasn't been playing either... KOBE!

Look at all the different low level players MDA has had to coach this year and tell me what this reminds you of.

Player	           Age	G	GS
Pau Gasol 33 54 54
Jodie Meeks 26 59 52
Nick Young 28 49 9
Wesley Johnson 26 63 51
Jordan Hill 26 58 19
Xavier Henry 22 36 5
Jordan Farmar 27 34 5
Chris Kaman 31 34 8
Kendall Marshall 22 36 27
Ryan Kelly 22 41 14
Steve Blake 33 27 27
Robert Sacre 24 47 12
Shawne Williams 27 36 13
Kent Bazemore 24 10 8
MarShon Brooks 25 9 0
Kobe Bryant 35 6 6
Steve Nash 39 10 10
Manny Harris 24 9 0
Elias Harris 24 2 0

Phil hasn't been great when he hasn't had talent either. Very few coaches look good without talent. People just tend to forget about the bad years PJax has had. The big difference here is that now we'll have PJax at the top and his philosophy will be the new culture of the franchise. In LA they don't have a philosophy or culture right now. IF they committed to MDA at least they'd have something, which is what I thought was the point of hiring him in the 1st place. If you're not going to buy into what MDA does then why even hire the guy? I don't think they should fire him. They need some continuity and to build a team that can actually win. We'd expect nothing less here in NY with PJax.

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3/13/2014  11:10 AM
Kobe is the reason why Dwight left.

Maybe Jax could have made a Dwight-Melo marriage work.

Im not sure Dwight is a Triangle type player. Kobe loves Gasol and Im not sure those three would have worked.

ON Paper

Gasol
Dwight
Kobe
Nash

and let MDA with is former MVP running his offense was a good idea. Injuries derailed that big time. Kobe being Kobe derailed that. If true Kobe is running off MDA then his reputation as a coach killer Not Named Phil Jax is pretty solid.

I get why the Lakers extended Kobe but its gonna be an ugly contract unless they can buy him out. Kobe is not Jordan in regards to playing at an advanced age injuy free.

Jim Buss don't want Phil taking over his franchise and banging his sister. Dude trying to be his own man. Bad idea. Phuck Kobe and the Lakers. Phil is our dog now!

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3/13/2014  12:31 PM
Lupica is on the radio with Marv Albert trashing the PJax move. There's also other ESPN media bashing PJax. I have never been a big fan of PJax, but I do respect him. There's no way to know exactly what is gonna happen. We can only guess, which is why I started this thread. Lupica is basically saying Phil won't be prepared for the amount of work he'll have to do, but isn't really looking at the intangibles of having Phil lead the franchise.

Now Lupica is big upping Woodson. It just amazes me how media types keep saying Woody is a good coach. Marv is mentioning the 54 wins and saying how he hasn't forgotten how to coach. That assumes he was good in the 1st place. We all know this roster isn't great, but it's clear that they should've won a lot more games and never have looked so bad as they did this year. IMO a LOT of that has to do with the poor job Woody did starting in SL and Training Camp. Woody just never figured out what to do with this team. He came into this year without a real plan. He's just throwing lineups against the wall and all of a sudden this team is playing better, but that doesn't change the fact that Woody is not a big time BB mind. The Coach will be Phil's 1st big decision.

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3/13/2014  12:43 PM
nixluva wrote:Lupica is on the radio with Marv Albert trashing the PJax move. There's also other ESPN media bashing PJax. I have never been a big fan of PJax, but I do respect him. There's no way to know exactly what is gonna happen. We can only guess, which is why I started this thread. Lupica is basically saying Phil won't be prepared for the amount of work he'll have to do, but isn't really looking at the intangibles of having Phil lead the franchise.

Now Lupica is big upping Woodson. It just amazes me how media types keep saying Woody is a good coach. Marv is mentioning the 54 wins and saying how he hasn't forgotten how to coach. That assumes he was good in the 1st place. We all know this roster isn't great, but it's clear that they should've won a lot more games and never have looked so bad as they did this year. IMO a LOT of that has to do with the poor job Woody did starting in SL and Training Camp. Woody just never figured out what to do with this team. He came into this year without a real plan. He's just throwing lineups against the wall and all of a sudden this team is playing better, but that doesn't change the fact that Woody is not a big time BB mind. The Coach will be Phil's 1st big decision.

I see the major little man issue at work here. Imagine PJax and all those rings staring down at these two idiots when they ask stupid leading questions.

Lupica lost me once I started listening to him on the radio as to what an azzhole he actually is.

Why does anyone actually think Marv Albert has any credibility left?

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3/13/2014  4:50 PM
nixluva wrote:Here's some basic diagrams of the Triangle and some variations off the basic set.

A real life pic of the Lakers in the Triangle:

I would be curious to see how Phil would restructure the Knicks with the guys we have on the roster now. We most likely will have a similar roster next year so it would be interesting to see how they'd work the triangle and make no mistake that Phil would be working with the new coach on just how best to make it work with the current roster. My guess is that Phil is going to be looking for a Center that can be the focal point of the Triangle or maybe he puts Melo in the post as the big posting up in Gasol's spot.

I don't understand it! After all these years of watching basketball, I still struggle to make sense of basic basketball plays!

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3/13/2014  4:59 PM
smackeddog wrote:
nixluva wrote:Here's some basic diagrams of the Triangle and some variations off the basic set.

A real life pic of the Lakers in the Triangle:

I would be curious to see how Phil would restructure the Knicks with the guys we have on the roster now. We most likely will have a similar roster next year so it would be interesting to see how they'd work the triangle and make no mistake that Phil would be working with the new coach on just how best to make it work with the current roster. My guess is that Phil is going to be looking for a Center that can be the focal point of the Triangle or maybe he puts Melo in the post as the big posting up in Gasol's spot.

I don't understand it! After all these years of watching basketball, I still struggle to make sense of basic basketball plays!

This is the key... most of the people in NBA have no idea too. Then one have 11 rings...

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3/13/2014  5:43 PM
arkrud wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
nixluva wrote:Here's some basic diagrams of the Triangle and some variations off the basic set.

A real life pic of the Lakers in the Triangle:

I would be curious to see how Phil would restructure the Knicks with the guys we have on the roster now. We most likely will have a similar roster next year so it would be interesting to see how they'd work the triangle and make no mistake that Phil would be working with the new coach on just how best to make it work with the current roster. My guess is that Phil is going to be looking for a Center that can be the focal point of the Triangle or maybe he puts Melo in the post as the big posting up in Gasol's spot.

I don't understand it! After all these years of watching basketball, I still struggle to make sense of basic basketball plays!

This is the key... most of the people in NBA have no idea too. Then one have 11 rings...

Smackeddog Diagram B would be of direct interest to the Knicks with Melo as the 4 in the post and the PG and perhaps THJ in the Triangle. It's going to be really important for Phil to start bringing in smarter players that can master the sets and see the openings. Since we'll be stuck with pretty much the same roster I think, we would have to develop Tyler, STAT and even Bargs to be pivot men who can dish the ball, which actually isn't rocket science. Most of the passes are very short hand off type passes to cutters or a shooter standing still. The more skilled all your players are the more difficult it is to defend the Triangle. You want guys that can shoot and pass well. It will be very interesting to see if Phil demands his coach run the Triangle offense or not.

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