the most nuanced and fair portrait of carmelo anthony i have read.

callmened wrote:this is nothing new we've heard this before. karl doesnt like melo even though he makes good points

dk7th wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:dk, just admit it.. when you saw this article, you got a boner.

i'll never tell

TFK already told us

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/02/sports/basketball/george-karl-sees-a-talent-adrift-as-carmelo-anthonys-knicks-fade.html?ref=sports&_r=0

the most nuanced and fair portrait of carmelo anthony i have read.

Actually not a bad article. He did make a lot of good points. See DK it is possible to write something that criticizes Melo without throwing in insults and your personal disdain for him.

i'm not ready for a detente just yet i would prefer to alienate as many posters as i can.

DrAlphaeus wrote:Yea dk/tfk can get a bit ad hominem, but many posters do get emotional… fanatic.

But the article does give better voice to the knock against Melo. I hope the Knicks can keep him and figure out how to get him the help he needs. Solid in-prime or veteran point guard is absolutely required to make sure plays are being executed. I wasn't a fan of his but he's grown on me. I care most about value.

Melo is an elite specialist as an offensive one-on-one player. He's not bad on defense either, and is very durable. Leads league in minutes. You have to give him that, regardless of whatever weird race-based speculation you have on his conditioning. Paul Pierce's physique never impressed me, and I never understood how he could make all those slow jerky layup go in with and-1s: IQ, body control, awesome at tricking his defender with fakes. How do you learn that move in a weight room? Pierce needed the right pieces around him to win.

Amare is getting a ton of money but not nearly as much blame. Amare isn't there getting his Phil Jackson on, he's got other interests in fashion etc. We need to get the team's overall basketball IQ up. From the front office to the coach to the last bench player.

durable yes although throughout his career he has missed his share of games. conditioning not convinced. i was taught if you're going to go 12 rounds then train for 15. this speaks to the most nuanced part of the article about "merely" playing hard contrasted with doing all the little things.

pierce's footwork is among the best we have seen in the last 15 years, as well as his head and ball fakes. that footwork and faking puts pierce among the top iq players too. very underrated passer and chemistry guy. his game is tailor-made for playoff basketball. if melo had the footwork and craftiness of pierce his stamina would never be an issue but because he lacks that footwork he expends more energy, requiring greater stamina.

CrushAlot wrote:Its funny with Karl because he is far from a perfect guy and evolved and overcame some demons as he grew older and coached in different places. No one brings up the personal demons that he struggled with in Golden State when he was a young coach but he is quick to criticize a guy that he worked with who was 20-26. Some good things in that article but I think Karl has an axe to grind.

some of the point he brings up anthony still is doing. he still needs others to be that leader in the locker/court. karl may have evolved and changed, we seem to still be waiting for anthony to do so. at this point 10+ seasons into his pro career, im not sure that wait is going to pay off, at least with him being the #1 guy or the things you might expect from the #1 guy.

sidsanders wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Its funny with Karl because he is far from a perfect guy and evolved and overcame some demons as he grew older and coached in different places. No one brings up the personal demons that he struggled with in Golden State when he was a young coach but he is quick to criticize a guy that he worked with who was 20-26. Some good things in that article but I think Karl has an axe to grind.

some of the point he brings up anthony still is doing. he still needs others to be that leader in the locker/court. karl may have evolved and changed, we seem to still be waiting for anthony to do so. at this point 10+ seasons into his pro career, im not sure that wait is going to pay off, at least with him being the #1 guy or the things you might expect from the #1 guy.

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Its funny with Karl because he is far from a perfect guy and evolved and overcame some demons as he grew older and coached in different places. No one brings up the personal demons that he struggled with in Golden State when he was a young coach but he is quick to criticize a guy that he worked with who was 20-26. Some good things in that article but I think Karl has an axe to grind.

some of the point he brings up anthony still is doing. he still needs others to be that leader in the locker/court. karl may have evolved and changed, we seem to still be waiting for anthony to do so. at this point 10+ seasons into his pro career, im not sure that wait is going to pay off, at least with him being the #1 guy or the things you might expect from the #1 guy.

I think the point is he brings it up every chance he gets. He was interviewed on ESPN Radio Friday afternoon and was saying the same thing. If I am a reporter and I want to do a hatchet job on Melo I call Karl. NOt saying that Araton's piece is written that way but Karl doesn't like Anthony. Karl's personal demons in golden state cost him his job and may have be related to later troubles he had with his health. The guy has a far from perfect past and had his struggles as a young guy.

he has every reason not to like carmelo for the things that he was quoted on in the article. what on earth do these observations have to do with his alleged personal demons.

the guy is a cancer survivor-- where does that fit into your psyche profile. geezus dude