jrodmc wrote:Please read through every other thread. Anyone in the NBA is better than Melo. It's an established fact because of our record this year.
Last year, you'll remember, our record had nothing to do with Melo, and everything to do with JKidd and a cameo appearance by Rasheed.

Actually, most 3's or 4's in the NBDL are better than Melo. Probably most of the PG's, too. I bet there are towel floor attendants in better shape.

You could probably find 1500 players in the Chinese League that are better than Melo.

Haha...I think there's certainly something to be said about a player performing so well individually yet playing for a team with a terrible record. But it's like if you don't have the skills of LeBron to make others better, then you automatically suck.

Melo is a unique player who we will miss watching if he leaves. But he's more like Kobe than LeBron or KD in the sense that he's a scorer. He needs great players around him. Kobe had his best statistical seasons when the Lakers were bad. Then they got guys like Pau, Odom, etc. around him. So just because Melo isn't KD or LeBron doesn't mean he's not a great player. He's gotten better every year he's been here. He just needs help. At times you could argue it's been his own fault he hasn't had the help. but I think he's starting to realize what it takes.

Hopefully this dumb ass owner gets a real basketball man to run the team again who has Melo in our plans the next 5 years.

MSG3 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Please read through every other thread. Anyone in the NBA is better than Melo. It's an established fact because of our record this year.
Last year, you'll remember, our record had nothing to do with Melo, and everything to do with JKidd and a cameo appearance by Rasheed.

Actually, most 3's or 4's in the NBDL are better than Melo. Probably most of the PG's, too. I bet there are towel floor attendants in better shape.

You could probably find 1500 players in the Chinese League that are better than Melo.

Haha...I think there's certainly something to be said about a player performing so well individually yet playing for a team with a terrible record. But it's like if you don't have the skills of LeBron to make others better, then you automatically suck.

Melo is a unique player who we will miss watching if he leaves. But he's more like Kobe than LeBron or KD in the sense that he's a scorer. He needs great players around him. Kobe had his best statistical seasons when the Lakers were bad. Then they got guys like Pau, Odom, etc. around him. So just because Melo isn't KD or LeBron doesn't mean he's not a great player. He's gotten better every year he's been here. He just needs help. At times you could argue it's been his own fault he hasn't had the help. but I think he's starting to realize what it takes.

Hopefully this dumb ass owner gets a real basketball man to run the team again who has Melo in our plans the next 5 years.

The NBA forced him to hire a real basketball GM, and he subsequently forced him out, once all the IT-era sheehit had settled. Dolan's such a simple, fat target, it's getting boring mentioning/blaming him over and over.

Melo is clearly the best player this franchise has had since Ewing or Sprewell, but the UK troll contingent will continue to gleefully bask in this season's wheels falling off to justify their brand of "fandom".

LeQ was killed for "The Decision", but he's got the chips now, like it or not. Results will always overshadow the means used to get there. Is he really making Bosh or Wade better? I doubt it. KD is a freak of nature at this point, sort of like LeQ was in Cleveland, dragging the dregs to the Finals one year. Maybe that happens in OKC and maybe it don't.

I've never considered Melo in the exact same league with LeQ, but KD hasn't won any chips yet, either. Except possibly the most valuable high efficiency player award.

Maybe Melo does take less to win more. I've got to believe he prefers winning to what he's going through now. $33 million more or not. Those knees are not going to hold up for too many more years under this type of wear.

MSG3 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Please read through every other thread. Anyone in the NBA is better than Melo. It's an established fact because of our record this year.
Last year, you'll remember, our record had nothing to do with Melo, and everything to do with JKidd and a cameo appearance by Rasheed.

Actually, most 3's or 4's in the NBDL are better than Melo. Probably most of the PG's, too. I bet there are towel floor attendants in better shape.

You could probably find 1500 players in the Chinese League that are better than Melo.

Haha...I think there's certainly something to be said about a player performing so well individually yet playing for a team with a terrible record. But it's like if you don't have the skills of LeBron to make others better, then you automatically suck.

Melo is a unique player who we will miss watching if he leaves. But he's more like Kobe than LeBron or KD in the sense that he's a scorer. He needs great players around him. Kobe had his best statistical seasons when the Lakers were bad. Then they got guys like Pau, Odom, etc. around him. So just because Melo isn't KD or LeBron doesn't mean he's not a great player. He's gotten better every year he's been here. He just needs help. At times you could argue it's been his own fault he hasn't had the help. but I think he's starting to realize what it takes.

Hopefully this dumb ass owner gets a real basketball man to run the team again who has Melo in our plans the next 5 years.

Melo doesnt need great players.. just good players. I will take good players.

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:he's done what you can ask. Despite his low assist totals if you watch the games (some here dont) you see Melo passes a ton. Then when nobody shoots the ball gets back to him with 6 seconds left and its iso get a Melo shot time.

He's become one of the best 3 point shooters in the league. He pulling down career high rebounding #s (pretty sure he's a top 20 rebounder)

The guy plays his ass off. I have no doubt that if we had Melo and Ewing together in their prime we would be looking at a 2-3 rings easy.

wrong again.. tied for 24th with like 5 other guys..

A lot of knick players play their asses off. this team is not good collectively.

I have no doubt that if we had Melo and Ewing together in their prime we would be looking at a 2-3 rings easy.

That knick team was a gritty defensive bunch.. Ewing and Oakley would have punched carmelo in the head.. he would not last with that group of MEN

dk7th wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:he's done what you can ask. Despite his low assist totals if you watch the games (some here dont) you see Melo passes a ton. Then when nobody shoots the ball gets back to him with 6 seconds left and its iso get a Melo shot time.

He's become one of the best 3 point shooters in the league. He pulling down career high rebounding #s (pretty sure he's a top 20 rebounder)

The guy plays his ass off. I have no doubt that if we had Melo and Ewing together in their prime we would be looking at a 2-3 rings easy.

wrong again.. tied for 24th with like 5 other guys..

A lot of knick players play their asses off. this team is not good collectively.

I have no doubt that if we had Melo and Ewing together in their prime we would be looking at a 2-3 rings easy.

That knick team was a gritty defensive bunch.. Ewing and Oakley would have punched carmelo in the head.. he would not last with that group of MEN

Yeah, and any front-court player that plays almost 40 min is going to be among the leaders in RPG.
In rebounds per 36 min, he drops to a pedestrian 61st place (31st out of 45 qualified PFs).

that's because melo is a tweener. in fact without a great pick and roll point guard amare becomes a tweener too.

two tweeners in the frontcourt would never have worked. what was melo thinking?

Can't communicate logically with people who refuse to give credit where credit is due.

And who else exactly plays their ass off besides Melo this year?

MSG3 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:he's done what you can ask. Despite his low assist totals if you watch the games (some here dont) you see Melo passes a ton. Then when nobody shoots the ball gets back to him with 6 seconds left and its iso get a Melo shot time.

He's become one of the best 3 point shooters in the league. He pulling down career high rebounding #s (pretty sure he's a top 20 rebounder)

The guy plays his ass off. I have no doubt that if we had Melo and Ewing together in their prime we would be looking at a 2-3 rings easy.

wrong again.. tied for 24th with like 5 other guys..

A lot of knick players play their asses off. this team is not good collectively.

I have no doubt that if we had Melo and Ewing together in their prime we would be looking at a 2-3 rings easy.

That knick team was a gritty defensive bunch.. Ewing and Oakley would have punched carmelo in the head.. he would not last with that group of MEN

Yeah, and any front-court player that plays almost 40 min is going to be among the leaders in RPG.
In rebounds per 36 min, he drops to a pedestrian 61st place (31st out of 45 qualified PFs).

that's because melo is a tweener. in fact without a great pick and roll point guard amare becomes a tweener too.

two tweeners in the frontcourt would never have worked. what was melo thinking?

Can't communicate logically with people who refuse to give credit where credit is due.

And who else exactly plays their ass off besides Melo this year?

credit? lets see...

i give credit for melo showing leadership skills by proclaiming he wants to test free agency before the season started.

"playing hard" on the downhill side of the court doesn't amount to much when you don't play hard on the uphill side.

i hear the excuse that he needs to conserve his energy for end of games which is why he does not give 100% on defense.

utterly foolish excuse and promotes losing.

dk7th wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:he's done what you can ask. Despite his low assist totals if you watch the games (some here dont) you see Melo passes a ton. Then when nobody shoots the ball gets back to him with 6 seconds left and its iso get a Melo shot time.

He's become one of the best 3 point shooters in the league. He pulling down career high rebounding #s (pretty sure he's a top 20 rebounder)

The guy plays his ass off. I have no doubt that if we had Melo and Ewing together in their prime we would be looking at a 2-3 rings easy.

wrong again.. tied for 24th with like 5 other guys..

A lot of knick players play their asses off. this team is not good collectively.

I have no doubt that if we had Melo and Ewing together in their prime we would be looking at a 2-3 rings easy.

That knick team was a gritty defensive bunch.. Ewing and Oakley would have punched carmelo in the head.. he would not last with that group of MEN

Yeah, and any front-court player that plays almost 40 min is going to be among the leaders in RPG.
In rebounds per 36 min, he drops to a pedestrian 61st place (31st out of 45 qualified PFs).

that's because melo is a tweener. in fact without a great pick and roll point guard amare becomes a tweener too.

two tweeners in the frontcourt would never have worked. what was melo thinking?

Can't communicate logically with people who refuse to give credit where credit is due.

And who else exactly plays their ass off besides Melo this year?

credit? lets see...

i give credit for melo showing leadership skills by proclaiming he wants to test free agency before the season started.

"playing hard" on the downhill side of the court doesn't amount to much when you don't play hard on the uphill side.

i hear the excuse that he needs to conserve his energy for end of games which is why he does not give 100% on defense.

utterly foolish excuse and promotes losing.

I didn't say he doesn't have faults. Just giving credit where it's due.

They dont even watch.

MSG3 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:he's done what you can ask. Despite his low assist totals if you watch the games (some here dont) you see Melo passes a ton. Then when nobody shoots the ball gets back to him with 6 seconds left and its iso get a Melo shot time.

He's become one of the best 3 point shooters in the league. He pulling down career high rebounding #s (pretty sure he's a top 20 rebounder)

The guy plays his ass off. I have no doubt that if we had Melo and Ewing together in their prime we would be looking at a 2-3 rings easy.

wrong again.. tied for 24th with like 5 other guys..

A lot of knick players play their asses off. this team is not good collectively.

I have no doubt that if we had Melo and Ewing together in their prime we would be looking at a 2-3 rings easy.

That knick team was a gritty defensive bunch.. Ewing and Oakley would have punched carmelo in the head.. he would not last with that group of MEN

Yeah, and any front-court player that plays almost 40 min is going to be among the leaders in RPG.
In rebounds per 36 min, he drops to a pedestrian 61st place (31st out of 45 qualified PFs).

that's because melo is a tweener. in fact without a great pick and roll point guard amare becomes a tweener too.

two tweeners in the frontcourt would never have worked. what was melo thinking?

Can't communicate logically with people who refuse to give credit where credit is due.

And who else exactly plays their ass off besides Melo this year?

He's refusing to give Melo credit for rebounding at the rate of an average forward?

I guess we should look at Durant's numbers differently because he averages a bunch of minutes. About 40 seconds less per game than Melo actually. As if being able to play at high level for almost 40 MPG isn't something to value and admire.

Think logically for a second man.

melo doesn't play at a high level for 40 minutes. he loafs during a major part of games and is often not guarding the more difficult assignments.

he needs to try and be a leader and set an example. instead he is treated like a primadonna. just once i would love him to say "i want to focus on defense and shutting down the other teams best player." just once i would love for him to take ownership of this losing season. "i am responsible for this team not playing as well as it should and i need to figure that out" instead of continuing to play the way he plays which keeps him in also-ran status.

Not everyone is a leader. Doesn't make him a bad basketball player.