CrushAlot wrote:Also, Barnes is a good perimeter defender and a better offensive player at this point then Shump. Shump might have flourished under Doc but he isn't going to flourish in NY.

Not really. Actually, I would have just gave in and kept Felton and use him as a back up. The thought process to want to dump Felton's salary to take back Barnes salary with an extra year is beyond stupid given Barnes age.

Marty Kahn for GM.

CrushAlot wrote:This might be the loss that Mills fires Woodson for. With the details of this deal coming out things could get hot for him. Doing the inevitable might take the heat off a bit as a knowledgeable fan base is sure to react to his mishandling of the trade deadline and blowing the clips deal.

Woodson is safe for the rest of the season I think. What's the point of firing him now? How many false alarms have we had this season where we thought he was gonna get fired and nothing happened? Too many to count. This man could do naked cartwheels on the sidelines instead of coaching the team and he wouldn't be fired.

yellowboy90 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:This might be the loss that Mills fires Woodson for. With the details of this deal coming out things could get hot for him. Doing the inevitable might take the heat off a bit as a knowledgeable fan base is sure to react to his mishandling of the trade deadline and blowing the clips deal.

I doubt it. It would be nice if Woody fell on the sword. Who or another poster posted how the knicks did not extend the assistants which points in the direction that Woody is gone at the end of the year.

SwishAndDish13 wrote:If that was on the table the trade shoulda been made and they should rolled with just priggy and toure for the night. Absolutely horrible. I really pray that wasn't a real trade proposal.

Yellowboy said it was confirmed by another source. Also, salaries work in trade checker.

With Melo in limbo, perhaps best to keep options open.

this season is lost. Collison is not that good BTW!

CrushAlot wrote:With the details of the Clips trade offer coming out, Collison, Mullens, Barnes and 2 second rounders for Shump, Beno and Ray the fact that Shump was allowed on the court that night and the deal collapsed falls on Mills. Shump is done in Ny. Knicks make out like bandits with that deal. Cap relief and an upgrade for Ray, second round picks and a 7 footer that can be very effective when used the right way. Unbelieveable. Mills has told Woodson who to play in the past and how many minutes guys can play etc. This one is on him and it was a huge blunder made by a guy that doesn't have experience in the job.

come on Mills is Dolans talking head--do you really think hes going anywhere?

Nalod wrote:Maybe Knicks thought they could get more over the summer?

With Melo in limbo, perhaps best to keep options open.

this season is lost. Collison is not that good BTW!

But that is what they were banking on. Actually Collinson is a good player and a really good back up and given the KNicks situation he would be light years ahead of the pgs here because he can apply pressure and fight over screens. Throw on top of that he shoots it well and you have a big difference.

The real problem is the thinking that you need to dump salary for worse salary and play an asset when you are close to a deal. Also, Toure'e Murry agent just wrote a interesting article how 2nd round picks are like gold under the new cba.

At this point, if all you can get for Shump is 2 low second rounders, you may as well give him the offseason and a new coach to get his **** together- this is his worst season by far, why sell low?

If we had made the trade, we'd have no Shump and no PGs (no Felton, prigs will be past it and Collinson would have walked) and only the MMLE to fix the roster.