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2/1/2014  2:33 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/1/2014  2:36 PM
J-Cole: With Kenyon Martin and Amar'e Stoudemire sidelined due to ankle injuries, Woodson has turned to Jeremy Tyler and Cole Aldrich to fill the void. They’ve excelled over the past four games.

Aldrich is averaging a 15.4 rebounds per 36 minutes during the Knicks’ winning streak. Tyler is scoring 16.3 points and pulling down 10.1 rebounds per 36 minutes in the past four games. He’s made 60 percent of his shots.

It’s unclear if either Stoudemire or Martin will be available Saturday against Miami.


http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/53327/5-reasons-for-knicks-four-game-win-streak
One guy is a former lottery pick and the other guy was projected to be a lottery pick before things got crazy for a few years. One guy is 22 and the other is 23.Oops. Cole is 25.
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2/1/2014  2:37 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
J-Cole: With Kenyon Martin and Amar'e Stoudemire sidelined due to ankle injuries, Woodson has turned to Jeremy Tyler and Cole Aldrich to fill the void. They’ve excelled over the past four games.

Aldrich is averaging a 15.4 rebounds per 36 minutes during the Knicks’ winning streak. Tyler is scoring 16.3 points and pulling down 10.1 rebounds per 36 minutes in the past four games. He’s made 60 percent of his shots.

It’s unclear if either Stoudemire or Martin will be available Saturday against Miami.


http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/53327/5-reasons-for-knicks-four-game-win-streak
One guy is a former lottery pick and the other guy was projected to be a lottery pick before things got crazy for a few years. One guy is 22 and the other is 23.Oops. Cole is 25.

I still think Aldrich sucks, Tyler is exciting though.

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2/1/2014  2:40 PM
Dagger wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
J-Cole: With Kenyon Martin and Amar'e Stoudemire sidelined due to ankle injuries, Woodson has turned to Jeremy Tyler and Cole Aldrich to fill the void. They’ve excelled over the past four games.

Aldrich is averaging a 15.4 rebounds per 36 minutes during the Knicks’ winning streak. Tyler is scoring 16.3 points and pulling down 10.1 rebounds per 36 minutes in the past four games. He’s made 60 percent of his shots.

It’s unclear if either Stoudemire or Martin will be available Saturday against Miami.


http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/53327/5-reasons-for-knicks-four-game-win-streak
One guy is a former lottery pick and the other guy was projected to be a lottery pick before things got crazy for a few years. One guy is 22 and the other is 23.Oops. Cole is 25.

I still think Aldrich sucks, Tyler is exciting though.

Cole has looked brutal on offense. Maybe with more time on the court that gets better. It would be nice if one of the assistant coaches worked with him a bit on offense. He doesn't need to be able to do much to become a valuable player.
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2/1/2014  2:49 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
Dagger wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
J-Cole: With Kenyon Martin and Amar'e Stoudemire sidelined due to ankle injuries, Woodson has turned to Jeremy Tyler and Cole Aldrich to fill the void. They’ve excelled over the past four games.

Aldrich is averaging a 15.4 rebounds per 36 minutes during the Knicks’ winning streak. Tyler is scoring 16.3 points and pulling down 10.1 rebounds per 36 minutes in the past four games. He’s made 60 percent of his shots.

It’s unclear if either Stoudemire or Martin will be available Saturday against Miami.


http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/53327/5-reasons-for-knicks-four-game-win-streak
One guy is a former lottery pick and the other guy was projected to be a lottery pick before things got crazy for a few years. One guy is 22 and the other is 23.Oops. Cole is 25.

I still think Aldrich sucks, Tyler is exciting though.

Cole has looked brutal on offense. Maybe with more time on the court that gets better. It would be nice if one of the assistant coaches worked with him a bit on offense. He doesn't need to be able to do much to become a valuable player.

He is brutal on offense but he's been great at rebounding, which is a major need of our team

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2/1/2014  5:15 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/1/2014  5:16 PM
I understand there are some who dont value draft picks which is fine i guess but i still like to have draft picks. Sure not all draft picks are guranteed to be good players BUT the Knicks never value draft picks. at least since 2000. lets afce it since 2000 The Knicks have traded a lot of their draft pciks and have actually ended up in worse shape. Look at Tim Hardaway JR, he was a late first round pick and he is a ROTY contender. I dont blame teh Knicks for trading picks for Melo because Melo is a top scorer. However i do think trading a first round pick for Bargnani was stupid
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2/1/2014  5:18 PM
Dagger wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
J-Cole: With Kenyon Martin and Amar'e Stoudemire sidelined due to ankle injuries, Woodson has turned to Jeremy Tyler and Cole Aldrich to fill the void. They’ve excelled over the past four games.

Aldrich is averaging a 15.4 rebounds per 36 minutes during the Knicks’ winning streak. Tyler is scoring 16.3 points and pulling down 10.1 rebounds per 36 minutes in the past four games. He’s made 60 percent of his shots.

It’s unclear if either Stoudemire or Martin will be available Saturday against Miami.


http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/53327/5-reasons-for-knicks-four-game-win-streak
One guy is a former lottery pick and the other guy was projected to be a lottery pick before things got crazy for a few years. One guy is 22 and the other is 23.Oops. Cole is 25.

I still think Aldrich sucks, Tyler is exciting though.

Aldrich isn't nothing to write home about but he's big as **** and mobile. I definitely think he needs a team to work with him because those two qualities are not readily available.

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2/1/2014  5:54 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/1/2014  5:54 PM
If I run the knicks, I would cut Stat and Bargs, but that's just me. I like my big guys to have energy oin the boards and defend though.
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2/1/2014  6:22 PM
Anji wrote:If I run the knicks, I would cut Stat and Bargs, but that's just me. I like my big guys to have energy oin the boards and defend though.

I have a terrible fear we might end up trading Amar'e for Josh Smith and Jennings next season...

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2/1/2014  6:50 PM
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Anji wrote:If I run the knicks, I would cut Stat and Bargs, but that's just me. I like my big guys to have energy oin the boards and defend though.

I have a terrible fear we might end up trading Amar'e for Josh Smith and Jennings next season...

Ouch. That is a signature Isiah move. Have to include an unprotected pick at least.
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2/1/2014  7:01 PM
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Anji wrote:If I run the knicks, I would cut Stat and Bargs, but that's just me. I like my big guys to have energy oin the boards and defend though.

I have a terrible fear we might end up trading Amar'e for Josh Smith and Jennings next season...

Joe Dumars doing Isiah a favor, like McHale did for Ainge.

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2/1/2014  7:46 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:I understand there are some who dont value draft picks which is fine i guess but i still like to have draft picks. Sure not all draft picks are guranteed to be good players BUT the Knicks never value draft picks. at least since 2000. lets afce it since 2000 The Knicks have traded a lot of their draft pciks and have actually ended up in worse shape. Look at Tim Hardaway JR, he was a late first round pick and he is a ROTY contender. I dont blame teh Knicks for trading picks for Melo because Melo is a top scorer. However i do think trading a first round pick for Bargnani was stupid
Here's how I look at it. The knicks traded two second rounders. This years comes from okc. It is projected to be the second to last pick in the draft. The other second round pick should be a late one as well. The Bargs trade in addition to providing an upgrade in a player in Bargs, opened up two extra roster spots. The Knicks have three prospects on their roster right now. Tyler appears to be much better than anything the Knicks could get at the end of the second round next year and he is getting an opportunity to help the Knicks now. Aldrich and Murry both have a lot of strengths and minimally should be as good as anything the Knicks would get with that other second round pick. The first rounder was already compromised. Maybe that looks bad down the road but the Knicks have two guys on their roster right now that have shown a ton of potential because they traded two guys that were under contract but aren't in the league this year. The roster spots that opened up allowed the knicks to commit to youth right now. The league is changing. I think a lot of guys are going to be coming out of the dleague to become major contributors for nba clubs.
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2/1/2014  7:46 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:I understand there are some who dont value draft picks which is fine i guess but i still like to have draft picks. Sure not all draft picks are guranteed to be good players BUT the Knicks never value draft picks. at least since 2000. lets afce it since 2000 The Knicks have traded a lot of their draft pciks and have actually ended up in worse shape. Look at Tim Hardaway JR, he was a late first round pick and he is a ROTY contender. I dont blame teh Knicks for trading picks for Melo because Melo is a top scorer. However i do think trading a first round pick for Bargnani was stupid
Here's how I look at it. The knicks traded two second rounders. This years comes from okc. It is projected to be the second to last pick in the draft. The other second round pick should be a late one as well. The Bargs trade in addition to providing an upgrade in a player in Bargs, opened up two extra roster spots. The Knicks have three prospects on their roster right now. Tyler appears to be much better than anything the Knicks could get at the end of the second round next year and he is getting an opportunity to help the Knicks now. Aldrich and Murry both have a lot of strengths and minimally should be as good as anything the Knicks would get with that other second round pick. The first rounder was already compromised. Maybe that looks bad down the road but the Knicks have two guys on their roster right now that have shown a ton of potential because they traded two guys that were under contract but aren't in the league this year. The roster spots that opened up allowed the knicks to commit to youth right now. The league is changing. I think a lot of guys are going to be coming out of the dleague to become major contributors for nba clubs.
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2/1/2014  8:05 PM
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smackeddog wrote:
Anji wrote:If I run the knicks, I would cut Stat and Bargs, but that's just me. I like my big guys to have energy oin the boards and defend though.

I have a terrible fear we might end up trading Amar'e for Josh Smith and Jennings next season...

Ouch. That is a signature Isiah move. Have to include an unprotected pick at least.

That"s why I would cut them, why even flirt with a trashy move by trying to "salvage" those contracts. Just cut them and be done with them.
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2/1/2014  8:06 PM
Even in the unlikely event that these guys become just as good as players you could get in the mid to early first round, we still don't get to keep them on 4 year cheap contracts. You want as many good players on cheap contracts as possible and then the rest of the cap space filled with highly effective vets
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2/1/2014  9:10 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:Even in the unlikely event that these guys become just as good as players you could get in the mid to early first round, we still don't get to keep them on 4 year cheap contracts. You want as many good players on cheap contracts as possible and then the rest of the cap space filled with highly effective vets
The big complaint around here has been the picks moved in the Bargs trade. Two of those picks will be late second rounders and one will be a late first rounder. Tyler, Murry and Aldrich all are at least as good as the guys you get with those second round picks and Tyler is probably better than what you get with the swap first rounder.
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2/1/2014  9:31 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/1/2014  9:31 PM
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StarksEwing1 wrote:I understand there are some who dont value draft picks which is fine i guess but i still like to have draft picks. Sure not all draft picks are guranteed to be good players BUT the Knicks never value draft picks. at least since 2000. lets afce it since 2000 The Knicks have traded a lot of their draft pciks and have actually ended up in worse shape. Look at Tim Hardaway JR, he was a late first round pick and he is a ROTY contender. I dont blame teh Knicks for trading picks for Melo because Melo is a top scorer. However i do think trading a first round pick for Bargnani was stupid
Here's how I look at it. The knicks traded two second rounders. This years comes from okc. It is projected to be the second to last pick in the draft. The other second round pick should be a late one as well. The Bargs trade in addition to providing an upgrade in a player in Bargs, opened up two extra roster spots. The Knicks have three prospects on their roster right now. Tyler appears to be much better than anything the Knicks could get at the end of the second round next year and he is getting an opportunity to help the Knicks now. Aldrich and Murry both have a lot of strengths and minimally should be as good as anything the Knicks would get with that other second round pick. The first rounder was already compromised. Maybe that looks bad down the road but the Knicks have two guys on their roster right now that have shown a ton of potential because they traded two guys that were under contract but aren't in the league this year. The roster spots that opened up allowed the knicks to commit to youth right now. The league is changing. I think a lot of guys are going to be coming out of the dleague to become major contributors for nba clubs.
I dont buy the "compromoised" 1st round draft pick. There have been a lot of mid or late 1st round picks that have become good players. Right now teh Bargs trade hanst looked good because he is inconsistent and injury prone. teh good news is that after next year the contract is up
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2/1/2014  9:50 PM
Still not seeing bargnani as an upgrade over Novak. We should've gotten back a first rounder in that trade.
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2/1/2014  10:02 PM
markvmc wrote:Still not seeing bargnani as an upgrade over Novak. We should've gotten back a first rounder in that trade.
Toronto was basically begging any team to take him for not much so we defiinetly overpayed which we always do
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2/1/2014  10:07 PM
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StarksEwing1 wrote:I understand there are some who dont value draft picks which is fine i guess but i still like to have draft picks. Sure not all draft picks are guranteed to be good players BUT the Knicks never value draft picks. at least since 2000. lets afce it since 2000 The Knicks have traded a lot of their draft pciks and have actually ended up in worse shape. Look at Tim Hardaway JR, he was a late first round pick and he is a ROTY contender. I dont blame teh Knicks for trading picks for Melo because Melo is a top scorer. However i do think trading a first round pick for Bargnani was stupid
Here's how I look at it. The knicks traded two second rounders. This years comes from okc. It is projected to be the second to last pick in the draft. The other second round pick should be a late one as well. The Bargs trade in addition to providing an upgrade in a player in Bargs, opened up two extra roster spots. The Knicks have three prospects on their roster right now. Tyler appears to be much better than anything the Knicks could get at the end of the second round next year and he is getting an opportunity to help the Knicks now. Aldrich and Murry both have a lot of strengths and minimally should be as good as anything the Knicks would get with that other second round pick. The first rounder was already compromised. Maybe that looks bad down the road but the Knicks have two guys on their roster right now that have shown a ton of potential because they traded two guys that were under contract but aren't in the league this year. The roster spots that opened up allowed the knicks to commit to youth right now. The league is changing. I think a lot of guys are going to be coming out of the dleague to become major contributors for nba clubs.
I dont buy the "compromoised" 1st round draft pick. There have been a lot of mid or late 1st round picks that have become good players. Right now teh Bargs trade hanst looked good because he is inconsistent and injury prone. teh good news is that after next year the contract is up
Right to swap doesn't equal compromised? The Nuggets are a mess but could be back in the playoffs by that point. If the Knicks keep Melo they are a 4 seed at least that season.
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