It seems nobody understands that Lin is an alpha dog. He wants to dominate in his role and if you take away that role; he becomes utterly pointless the way Kobe would be utterly pointless. I'm not saying Lin is anywhere on the level of greatness Kobe is. I'm only saying that Lin, at his level, could perform optimally to his own advantages if only his coaching staff believes in him.

I've been watching Lin whenever Harden goes out due to injury and always, Lin comes up playing tremendously well. He damn nearly had himself a triple double against Dallas tonight.

Syniko wrote:We're always going to talk about Jeremy Lin because New York is where Linsanity was hatched and right now, we need him more than ever.

It seems nobody understands that Lin is an alpha dog. He wants to dominate in his role and if you take away that role; he becomes utterly pointless the way Kobe would be utterly pointless. I'm not saying Lin is anywhere on the level of greatness Kobe is. I'm only saying that Lin, at his level, could perform optimally to his own advantages if only his coaching staff believes in him.

I've been watching Lin whenever Harden goes out due to injury and always, Lin comes up playing tremendously well. He damn nearly had himself a triple double against Dallas tonight.

No doubt hes a solid solid player. Where he needs to improve in his role with Houston is his 3 pt shooting. Hes not going to be the man in Houston but rather a complimentary player. Also to be the alpha dog on any team requires you to be THE guy EVERY night. Lin has been hurt a lot--while Jeremy is a fine fine NBA player capable of excellent all star level play--I dont think he can do it every night. That being said MANY NBA teams could do better at PG and allowing Lin to take the helm on many sht teams would help a club. One area he is better at than here was his TO volume.

Syniko wrote:We're always going to talk about Jeremy Lin because New York is where Linsanity was hatched and right now, we need him more than ever.

It seems nobody understands that Lin is an alpha dog. He wants to dominate in his role and if you take away that role; he becomes utterly pointless the way Kobe would be utterly pointless. I'm not saying Lin is anywhere on the level of greatness Kobe is. I'm only saying that Lin, at his level, could perform optimally to his own advantages if only his coaching staff believes in him.

I've been watching Lin whenever Harden goes out due to injury and always, Lin comes up playing tremendously well. He damn nearly had himself a triple double against Dallas tonight.

MDA can take a good PG and make him better. He created Nash, Lin and in Lakerland is doing good work with Kendal Marshall after his first 3 PG's went down with injury. Nash, Blake, Farmar.......

Lin would have been a good fit on this team both on the court and off. He was ours.

But he is gone so we move on.........

GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Syniko wrote:We're always going to talk about Jeremy Lin because New York is where Linsanity was hatched and right now, we need him more than ever.

It seems nobody understands that Lin is an alpha dog. He wants to dominate in his role and if you take away that role; he becomes utterly pointless the way Kobe would be utterly pointless. I'm not saying Lin is anywhere on the level of greatness Kobe is. I'm only saying that Lin, at his level, could perform optimally to his own advantages if only his coaching staff believes in him.

I've been watching Lin whenever Harden goes out due to injury and always, Lin comes up playing tremendously well. He damn nearly had himself a triple double against Dallas tonight.

Its a good take on the former knick. Lin is relevant in our discussions as he not just captivated the Knick Knation, but was briefly a global sensation! Its not like we are lamenting over Landry Fields!

MDA can take a good PG and make him better. He created Nash, Lin and in Lakerland is doing good work with Kendal Marshall after his first 3 PG's went down with injury. Nash, Blake, Farmar.......

Lin would have been a good fit on this team both on the court and off. He was ours.

But he is gone so we move on.........

Wouldnt say D'antoni "created" Nash. He helped take his game to the next level but he was already an all star before he ever played for MDA.

As for Lin, he just isn't good enough for all this woulda shouda. Good PG, but not so good that we should still be making threads about him. If he had replicated his great run in NY down in Houston, I could understand it, but that didn't happen, not even close. It ended before he even left NY.

Yes, Nash was an all star but one who had a bad back and Dallas let go in free agency.

An all star yes, but have to admit becoming a two time MVP in your 30's is a big freaking deal.

IN the 56 years they have been awarding the only guards that have one are:

Bob Cousey
Oscar
Magic (3)
Jordan (5)
Nash (2)
Rose

Thats it. Thats impressive company to say the least.

One can say Cousey and Nash were the only prototypical PG on that list given their size. Oscar, Jordan, magic and rose (healthy) just simply overwhelmingly the best players on the court regardless of their position. Cousey, Magic and Nash were facilitators.

Don't get me wrong, Im not talking anything away from Jordan and Oscar, there work speaks large in history. My point is Nash was a 32 year old FORMER allstar when MDA got him and created the best PG of his generation and stamped his ticket to the HOF. An allstar in dallas yes, but enshrined there after.

GustavBahler wrote:as for Lin, he just isn't good enough for all this woulda shouda

Agree though I tire of seeing threads about the guy. Knicks phucked up again... par for the course

Someone posted a stat that basically said that NY does well when Felton does well. It's true. A real PG is what this team needs. IMO, Lin's ability to get to the basket and to create easy baskets for his teammates is exactly what this team needs.

Yes, it's over, they effed up, royally as only the Knicks can do. You don't let good pg's leave for nothing. It's just stupid.

Syniko wrote:We're always going to talk about Jeremy Lin because New York is where Linsanity was hatched and right now, we need him more than ever.

It seems nobody understands that Lin is an alpha dog. He wants to dominate in his role and if you take away that role; he becomes utterly pointless the way Kobe would be utterly pointless. I'm not saying Lin is anywhere on the level of greatness Kobe is. I'm only saying that Lin, at his level, could perform optimally to his own advantages if only his coaching staff believes in him.

I've been watching Lin whenever Harden goes out due to injury and always, Lin comes up playing tremendously well. He damn nearly had himself a triple double against Dallas tonight.

we've landed on fantasy island if we think Lin will be in a Knick uniform again. A-hole Dolan holds grudges and will NEVER bring him back. NEVER. and even if he came back there would only be one alpha dog on the knicks and that's melo like it or not.

So Lin put in a good game tonight, obviously in the absence of Harden, so I went sifting through box scores, based on my detailed statistical analysis (I took a stats course at uni and got a HD thank you) basically;

In 9 games without James Harden, Jeremy Lin has held averages of:

21.2PTS, 6.3AST, 3RPG, 4.2 T/O, 1.5 AST/TO

shot 84.8% from the line with 7.3 attempts per game,
shot 48.8% from 3PT land, (42.8% sans Sixers game),
shot 47.5% from the field with 13.3 Attempts.

The team has gone 5-4.

Now I was having a very mild mannered discussion with another poster on the topic of basically whether or not he or she felt that 'linsanity' (hate that word) was more or less a fluke.

Now obviously the league has had plenty of time to scout Lin since his time in New York, where shakey dribbling and jumpitis still plagued his play, but in 8 games without Carmelo Anthony, Lin has held averages of:

25 PTS, 9.5 AST, 3.6RPG, 6.5 T/O, 1.46 AST/TO

shot 70.7% from the line with 8.1 attempts per game,
shot 38.5% from 3PT land
shot 50.7% from the field with 17.8 Attempts.

The team went 7-1.

Thus, leading to a total of 17 games (not sure if this is enough statistical evidence), where Lin without another ball-dominant player in Harden and Anthony, has held averages of:

23PTS, 7.8AST, 3.3RPG, 5.3T/O, 1.46AST/TO

shot 77.8% from the line with 7.7 attempts per game,
shot 44.9% from 3PT land
shot 49.2% from the field with 15.4 Attempts.

Now obviously the NYK numbers are inflated due to Lin being unscouted, D'Antoni's ride em til they die PG offense that enhanced Lin's strengths (PnR play) and masked his weaknesses, but there is still some evidence (however limited) to suggest that Lin can indeed perform at a high level if given the opportunity, as shown by how he's performed without Harden.

Now the caveat however, is that the offence does not run through Lin, and so it shouldn't given we have two superstars in Harden and Howard. Harden is an elite offensive weapon and is a bonafide triple threat, while the post game of Howard has shown glimpses of improvement despite looking rather poor tonight (please run more PnR.)

Proponents of why Lin should start (the more rationale) believe that there is more offensive firepower with Harden and Lin on the court, and while there has been glimpses of the duo running on full cylinders, Lin has struggled immensely at times to find a suitable medium between being passive, aggressive, and reckless. It's the latter quality that lends to McHale preferring the much more consistent Beverley, who's performances can be rock solid compared to Lin who is more volatile.

As such, the main points to drawn on is that Lin needs as much time on the floor without Harden, as shown by however much 17 games of data can actually show. I feel he's perfectly suited to the 6th man role, provided he actually runs the offense with a high volume of PnR and brings the aggression night in and night out. People have different opinions on whether or not the minutes should simply be staggered, but if you give Lin a CLEAR defined role as the 6th man to attack and be aggressive, we'll hopefully see more of what we saw at the start of the season. When he's confident, attacking the rim and decisive, Lin has shown to be an effective PG in this league, despite his weaknesses. When he isn't..... its not pretty.

fishmike wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:as for Lin, he just isn't good enough for all this woulda shouda

Your right... Lin is by NBA standards a middle PG, meaning I wouldnt say he's a top 10 or bottom 10 at his position, somewhere in the middle. That being said he would easily be the best backcourt player on this roster period. Here we are talking about trading Shump, THjr, a pick.. some package for Kyle Lowry yet we let the best guard we had walk for nada but cash. Stupid stupid stupid especially after he played pretty well with Melo and Woody and was the PG after MDA left and the Knicks went on that crazy tear.

Agree though I tire of seeing threads about the guy. Knicks phucked up again... par for the course

He only played 2 games when woody took over, and who's to say woodson system complements his skill sets. The only player truly flourishing under woodson is melo, everyone else has been mediocre at best, they just play a tad bit better defense as a whole unit.

and dolan crapped it away down the tubes of history

unbelievable. jeremy lin was the guy that was gonna lead us to a championship, but melo couldn't handle it, he coulnd't take the heat

IronWillGiroud wrote:the universe gave us jeremy lin in a 1 in a billion gift,

and dolan crapped it away down the tubes of history

unbelievable. jeremy lin was the guy that was gonna lead us to a championship, but melo couldn't handle it, he coulnd't take the heat

As much as hated that Lin was let go for nothing, I really don't think Melo had anything to do with it. No proof, just my feeling. From what has been reported, this really just came down to Little Jimmy's feelings getting hurt. That's what happens when you have a child running things.