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BRIGGS
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1/29/2014  8:53 AM
A. Tyson Chandler had his best game in a year--he was absolutely dominant--active on every play with force. He wouldve done 20-20 last night with ease--also shows that shot blocking can be over rated at times--as he played great positional defense last night rebounded the ball and was able to take advantage of the additional space on the floor.

B. We have a very solid new 6-10 forward who can play this game. He gives 110% effort he has a deft shooting touch good footwork on offense and a nose for the ball. I hope the Knicks signed him to a deal that includes team options because if he plays anywhere near this--some team will throw 3-4mm a year at him easily like they did with Copeland.

C.We have played three games with Bargs--we have avg 115 points and are 3-0 without him. EVERYONE has played better with him off the court.

D JR Smith is starting to look better. I don't want him out there as a primary scorer but as a component player--hes improved since his latest drama

E. We have a stud in the making in THJ love him

F. If we can get Lowry for Shumpert and a #1 pick---do it.

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1/29/2014  9:08 AM
If Tyson's healthy and he has a decent point guard, he'll give you about 12 points on 7 shots. He never really lost his productivity - he's still averaging a double double in games where he plays at least 20 minutes. He just needs some kind of immune system booster!
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1/29/2014  9:46 AM
His dunk "Infected" Sulliger!

Dude is getting his timing back.
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1/29/2014  9:51 AM
F: Salaries don't match. We should be offering them a combo of players with 1 yr, 1 mil contracts like K-Mart and Prigs to make the salaries match. There's no way they're going to take on the $13 mil owed to Felton.
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1/29/2014  10:14 AM
BRIGGS wrote:A. Tyson Chandler had his best game in a year--he was absolutely dominant--active on every play with force. He wouldve done 20-20 last night with ease--also shows that shot blocking can be over rated at times--as he played great positional defense last night rebounded the ball and was able to take advantage of the additional space on the floor.

B. We have a very solid new 6-10 forward who can play this game. He gives 110% effort he has a deft shooting touch good footwork on offense and a nose for the ball. I hope the Knicks signed him to a deal that includes team options because if he plays anywhere near this--some team will throw 3-4mm a year at him easily like they did with Copeland.

C.We have played three games with Bargs--we have avg 115 points and are 3-0 without him. EVERYONE has played better with him off the court.

D JR Smith is starting to look better. I don't want him out there as a primary scorer but as a component player--hes improved since his latest drama

E. We have a stud in the making in THJ love him

F. If we can get Lowry for Shumpert and a #1 pick---do it.

Hopefully Anderson Varejo won't play on thursday so he can put together another good game before Miami comes to town.

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1/29/2014  10:24 AM
He put up 13 and 14 against Pau
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1/29/2014  10:33 AM
I'm more concerned about Tyson defense than his scoring. However, I would like to see him miss less easy shots and have better hands. The hands part is not coming though. Anyway, Tyson hopefully gets his trade value up although I don't think he will be traded.
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1/29/2014  10:36 AM
How many easy shots does he miss? He shoots 55 to 65% every year
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1/29/2014  10:41 AM
Tyson needs to be limited to 25-28 minutes a game. He tires easily. When he gets proper minutes he plays better.

Agree that we should be in on Lowry. However, I'm not sold yet on the better without Bargs thing. I think we are, but we beat much better competition to start the year WITH him. Basically, I can't be sold on any improvement yet when all we've done is beaten 3 horrible bad teams in a row.
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1/29/2014  10:47 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:How many easy shots does he miss? He shoots 55 to 65% every year

All the easy shots he get when he is in the post. The ones where he receives an entry pass that is not a lob. Tyson is great at what he does on offense and hopefully keeps shooting that J when its there.
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1/29/2014  10:50 AM
yellowboy90 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:How many easy shots does he miss? He shoots 55 to 65% every year

All the easy shots he get when he is in the post. The ones where he receives an entry pass that is not a lob. Tyson is great at what he does on offense and hopefully keeps shooting that J when its there.


Yeah, no one makes every shot but it would be great if he got closer to 65% like the last two years. I'd like to see him keep shooting the open jump shots too.
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1/29/2014  10:56 AM
Tyson averaged 27mins when the mavs won
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1/29/2014  10:56 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:How many easy shots does he miss? He shoots 55 to 65% every year

All the easy shots he get when he is in the post. The ones where he receives an entry pass that is not a lob. Tyson is great at what he does on offense and hopefully keeps shooting that J when its there.


Yeah, no one makes every shot but it would be great if he got closer to 65% like the last two years. I'd like to see him keep shooting the open jump shots too.

He pretty much always had it in him he just needed to believe in it or the coaches needed to stress it to him. He came in from high school as a shooter and in Chi he showed a little post game before all the injuries and he reduced his role to stay in the league.
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1/29/2014  10:58 AM
gunsnewing wrote:Tyson averaged 27mins when the mavs won

If Woody was wise he would start playing Tyler and Cole more to keep Tyson minutes down.
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1/29/2014  11:19 AM
with regards to Bargs, I feel the same way about him as I do about Stat. Those guys are a liability on D, they're not great rebounders, they're slow, they're injury prone, they're over paid, and they don't get down the court fast enough. But both have the ability to be our 2nd leading scorer on any given night. There has to be a use for these guys, perhaps in small doses and within the right lineups, but neither should start imo. I'm also not confident in Woody's ability to get the most out of either player. Knowing how and when to use one dimensional guys like Bargs and Stat is what separates the men from the boys as far as coaching goes.
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1/29/2014  11:50 AM
The price on Lowry is still higher than Shump and a 1st. I honestly wouldn't give up the 1st for Lowry unless the Raps were going to take Felton and Smith off the books. The Knicks could then take back somebody that expires with Tyson and Stat and Bargs, like hansborough.
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1/29/2014  12:56 PM
You can't get the best player in a trade and dump your bad contracts on the other team too.
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1/29/2014  12:58 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:You can't get the best player in a trade and dump your bad contracts on the other team too.

So what exactly do YOU think is a fair price for Lowry, a player that will walk from the rockets for nothing?
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1/29/2014  1:16 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/29/2014  1:17 PM
Dagger wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:You can't get the best player in a trade and dump your bad contracts on the other team too.

So what exactly do YOU think is a fair price for Lowry, a player that will walk from the rockets for nothing?

Well we could outbid other teams. I wouldn't be worried about that. We'd also have to get assurances that he'd resign here.
I think Lowry has played like a top 20 NBA player. So a fair price would be higher than what the Raptors are even asking for. If they'll accept expiring contracts, Shumpert, and the 2018 1st round pick, I'd do it as quickly as possible. The only thing of any value we'd be giving up is that 1 pick and it's a worthwhile gamble.
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1/29/2014  1:36 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/29/2014  1:41 PM
I think Lowry's a good PG. GOOD, not GREAT. The temptation's great here--we're playing better again now & this guy's better than what we have at the position now. I get that--but I don't think he's worth a 1st round pick. If we had an excess of picks, maybe, but we don't...Said it weeks ago on this topic and I'll say it again -- I'm drawing the line here with this deal. No more 1st round picks in a deal for marginal upgrades. This deal would probably make us a little better but we're still not championship level.

The much more realistic approach here, given our current situation, would be to call up New Orleans and inquire about Pierre Jackson. That kid would be fun to watch and I seriously doubt we'd have to cough up a 1st round pick to get him. Maybe I'm wrong -- maybe we already tried this route and got stonewalled -- maybe the Pel's asking price is way too high. I don't know -- the Knicks don't reveal their business and I haven't read anything about this guy other than he wants out of N.O. and he and his representation have asked permission to seek their own trade (which I believe was granted). I highly doubt it though -- I doubt the Knicks even considered this kid a possibility. Just my humble opinion -- here's the GOOD PG we can go get for a much lower cost (both in what it would take to get him and what we'd have to pay him), not to mention he may have a higher ceiling than Lowry anyway (anybody actually see what this kid's been doing in the DL lately? He doesn't belong playing in that league -- he's a man among boys down there). Can't hurt -- call these guys up and see what the friggin' deal is with this guy already. Just my 2 cents: the moves I'd make right now for PG help -- sensible trade for Pierre Jackson, then call up Kalin Lucas from the DL (trade Udrih for a 2nd rounder or cut his unaccountable, crybaby ass to make room if need be). Make these two moves first (they really should've been made already) then leave some time to access and evaluate. What if we could potentially go get 2 PGs that are better than Lowry, lock 'em both up for the rest of the year and next at low cost and keep our next 1st round pick? All I'm asking for are a few calculated minor moves like this FIRST just to see before we go all in on something else we might regret.
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