thats because the truth is boring. The truth is this group never had an extended period to play together and when the playoffs finally came they were hurt.

If we play all of next year with exactly this same roster I can guarentee we at least get home court in round 1

Isaih has never been about making deals just to keep a team making money. He left Toronto because they wouldn't give him total power over personel decisions. The CBA fell because no one wanted to follow Isiah's lead.

Isiah wants to win and win badly. It's not about making Dolan's pockets fat. To Dolan maybe, but to Isiah his pride is too big to go out like that.

After the Marbury trade Stephen A. Smith said something similiar saying that Isiah is just trying to fill the seats at MSG. No....that is straight up ignorant. Isiah traded KVH and got a KVH clone in Tim Thomas plus a starting center. Great deal. Isiah made the Moochie Norris for Weatherspoon trade in order to get rid of Spoon....cuz he sucks!!! Plus Frank is one of the few trading pawns left and Moochie is one of the best back-ups who would assume that role easily.

Isiah know what he's doing.

I agree with diderotn....KT and Shandon have to go....they must be traded. Neither fit the way the Knicks are trying to play. The Knicks too are just an Isiah move away from becoming an elite team.

The Wins will start to pile up when the Knicks build up the talent base. Right now Clevland is a better team than the Knicks and will be better once they get the small forward they want(maybe Mashburn).

Tim Thomas, Marbury, Penny,....who else is reliable? Who else currently on the Knicks fit the style that these players sucseed in?

Isiah knows what he's doing....

[Edited by - enyspree on 05/03/2004 11:45:33]

Posted by EnySpree:

Isaih has never been about making deals just to keep a team making money. He left Toronto because they wouldn't give him total power over personel decisions. The CBA fell because no one wanted to follow Isiah's lead.

Isiah wants to win and win badly. It's not about making Dolan's pockets fat. To Dolan maybe, but to Isiah his pride is too big to go out like that.

After the Marbury trade Stephen A. Smith said something similiar saying that Isiah is just trying to fill the seats at MSG. No....that is straight up ignorant.

I would agree with all of this... but I would not deny that there was a marketing boon for MSG and the Dolan family when Marb came over.

we would definatly win homecourt (at least the 4th seed) even without Houston. This is not something I'm striving for but I have no doubt it would happen if the rest of our roster stayed relativly healthy.

If we had no Houston we could start Penny or Frank along with Marbury in the backcourt and be fine. Mia won the 4th seed w/ 42 wins. I have no doubt this team would win 45 games next year with our current roster. This is not a great accomplishment, mostly because we would be 4th only because the conference is so weak. I'm just saying we are not nearly as bad as BRIGGS would have you believe.

I am 100% convinced if we had Tim Thomas we would have at least one those 2 games at MSG against the Nets.

MUCH more than shooting guard we need an athletic defenisive presence in the post. KT plays hard but just isnt that good. Sweetney has the upside but its on offense and the boards. Nazr just doesnt play D and Deke is like 50.

Would Steve Jackson be nice? Sure he would. But as of right now my rotation for wing players is Marbury, Penny and Tim Thomas. Frank and Dermaar off the bench. Thats ok to me. Is it Jordan and Pippen? No, but when I compare that rotation to the bigs rotation of Kurt, Nazr, Sweetney, Baker and Mutumbo its pretty clear where our needs are.

This is why I would love to sign Mark Blount for the max MLE. He fits into the style of play; half court, own the boards and play defense. I want to build on those last 2 games at MSG where we played well enough to win, but just could not score (no TT, no Houston)

If we could do that then we could move Nazr to a team like Utah or Bos (both have 3 #1s each) and get a nice wing prospect with great hops like JR Smith. If we could do it before the June deadline we could get a handshake agreement and we would be set.

Sorry if I am unimpressed but Cav's total failure to win without Jeff McGinnis or the other "improving" teams in the East.

I'm not saying we are great, but we are good enough win a 4th seed in this conference (which gets an expansion team next year).

Nothing wrong with just being "good" so long as the pipeline is stil there. Frank and Sweetney will be good NBA players (hopefully for us). I dont know about DJ, but this is why I like signing Blount and getting a pick, just for this reason. Maybe Robert Swift, Dorell Wright, that great shooter from Europe.. Luka whatever.

I would say there is 99.9% Houston will be here, plain and simple.

Our best bet is for Dal to blow up their roster and we can hopefully move KT and an expiring deal for Jamison or something like that. Otherwise my guess is it will be pretty quiet

dont overestimate him either. I think he will make some good things happen, but asking him to move Houston and get Tmac or whoever back is just silly. Nobody is taking Allen's contract, Layden has ensured his legacy will live on here for a couple more years. I think we will see Isiah's REAL pull when the Shandon situation plays out. I think he's among the most untradeable players in the NBA (unless you want the exact same garbage back, Wahad). I'm curios to see if Dolan just lets Isiah waive him compleatly

Oh, they will have to include their #1 pick with that deal also.

I actually mentioned this a long time, although I'm not sure it was on this board. I think the risk is a little too high. Grant Hill is totally shot. If you could get 15-20 minutes a game for 50 games a year it would be a medical miracle. Meanwhile TMac (with a bad back) was part of a 17 game losing streak, got his coach fired and has FA pending.

There is an awfull lot of IFs considering if TMAC does stay your paying that duo close to $40 mill a year for the next 3 years. Is even MSG that rich?

Posted by EnySpree:

Isaih has never been about making deals just to keep a team making money. He left Toronto because they wouldn't give him total power over personel decisions. The CBA fell because no one wanted to follow Isiah's lead.

Isiah wants to win and win badly. It's not about making Dolan's pockets fat. To Dolan maybe, but to Isiah his pride is too big to go out like that.

After the Marbury trade Stephen A. Smith said something similiar saying that Isiah is just trying to fill the seats at MSG. No....that is straight up ignorant. Isiah traded KVH and got a KVH clone in Tim Thomas plus a starting center. Great deal. Isiah made the Moochie Norris for Weatherspoon trade in order to get rid of Spoon....cuz he sucks!!! Plus Frank is one of the few trading pawns left and Moochie is one of the best back-ups who would assume that role easily.

Isiah know what he's doing.



Isiah knows what he's doing....

[Edited by - enyspree on 05/03/2004 11:45:33]

are we just a wee bit naive here?

We traded Doleac for Nazr also.

Isiah also has his detracters, and a trail of loose ends.

THe fact so many have bought into the pro-isiah camp is a testament to his hiring and the buzz he created.

Isiah get Donnie Walsh's credit for rebuilding Indy?
Isiah really did such a great job in Toronto? Carter was such a great coach? Why did the CBA not want to follow Isiahs lead?

Im not bashing Isiah, and I really hope he is the second coming of the Logo, but you have to look at him objectively, and when I do, I don't see the substance behind the hype.

The past is no indicater of the future, so there is hope.