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holfresh
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1/25/2014  6:08 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/carmelo-anthony-s-magical-62-point-night-shows-why-he-should-never-leave-new-york-054123184.html

Across a majestic Madison Square Garden performance of 62 points, Carmelo Anthony would've been wise to take a long look around, letting the thunderous noise, the love, wash down upon him. This is your life 'Melo, the best possible destination for the legacy of a ring-less superstar.

The losing, the decaying roster, has inspired 'Melo to consider closely the possibilities of free agency this summer. WIthin the past several weeks, a longtime confidant of Carmelo Anthony confesses, something changed. Never did he believe there was a chance Anthony would leave the New York Knicks – never the Madison Square Garden stage, never the $129 million contract extension.

Only now, the gloom of the Knicks' season – the uncertainty of the franchise's future – left that man to believe it's possible Anthony could leave New York in free agency.

"Chicago is much more in play for him than L.A.," the source said.

The Bulls traded Luol Deng for draft picks and are leaning strongly toward using the amnesty provision on Carlos Boozer. They could create a maximum contract slot for Anthony, pairing him with Derrick Rose. For Anthony, it is leaving a cap-strapped team through 2015 for a Chicago proposition with significant risks of its own. No one can be sure of Rose's return to his MVP greatness, but everyone can be sure of one thing: The franchise's mandate isn't winning championships, but sidestepping luxury and repeater taxes to turn the fattest possible profits for the owner.

As the Bulls have let talented player upon talented player leave because of money – Omer Asik and Kyle Korver and Deng – they've shown themselves to be a big market franchise with small-market sensibilities.
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Carmelo Anthony scored 62 points on just 35 shots against the Bobcats. (AP)
There's something else, too: Between the 22 combined championships in Chicago and Los Angeles, there's no adulation for a star who fails to deliver a title. The Knicks have gone 40 years without a parade – and could go another 40 without one – and still Anthony would forever be treated with a level of reverence in New York. There are no beloved ex-Hall of Famers like Patrick Ewing and Bernard King in L.A. and Chicago – just players who won championships, and just those long ago forgotten.

For those who think 'Melo's burden has left him too beleaguered in New York, it could be far worse elsewhere. Knicks ownership has turned the franchise over to him, and that'll only escalate in free agency. Whatever he wants, they'll give him. Owner Jim Dolan let him run out Mike D'Antoni and Jeremy Lin, let him have his eccentric workout coach on staff for a significant six-figure salary. They've centered the marketing on him; his Jordan Brand Nike deal is worth a mint in a Knicks uniform.

Truth be told, the grief that comes with this dysfunctional franchise is far less than he'd get with the Bulls and Lakers. In the end, Anthony would have to give up $40 million guaranteed to leave New York for opportunities that offer marginally better chances at championships. Anthony was fabulous on Friday night at the Garden – passing King's franchise record of 60 points and Kobe Bryant's Garden record of 61 – with ease.

In the end, this is the essence of Carmelo Anthony: a peerless scorer deserving of holding the franchise's and arena's forever records. Every generation has its stars who were spectacular, but never complete enough to be the centerpiece of a champion. There's no shame there. This was a night when 'Melo's legacy as a scoring ace delivered him into the brightest light of this season, on basketball's most glorious stage at the Garden.

For all the noise and all the love washing down upon him, Carmelo Anthony needed to understand that for his own good, his legacy, there's nowhere better for a ring-less superstar on a max scholarship than beneath those dusty, old championship banners from so long ago. This was 'Melo's night, his forever moment at Madison Square Garden. For him, there should be nowhere else.

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1/25/2014  6:25 PM
Melo in Thibs is worth payperview
JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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1/25/2014  9:27 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/25/2014  9:29 PM
I honestly believe Melo just wants to gain leverage to see if he does OPT out what the Knick's MAX offer would be to keep him
Besides for Lakers, I don't think there are many teams that could and would offer anything CLOSE to a max offer for Melo at his age and deficiencies

I don't believe we should outbid ourselves like we did for Allan Houston because we wouldn't be able to surround him with the talent NEEDED especially with all the FA's available in 2015, we would be stuck in mediocrity AT BEST if we offer him 20m to 30m per year

Of course this is Dolan's team and it will be up to him and we are just fans
But if he does want to WIN in NYK, his best move would be to NOT opt out, keeping the salary of 23-25m, and both The Knicks and Melo must prioritize what is important to them

If Melo feels what Lebron, Wade, and Bosh did was "SMART" then he should recruit in 2015 and target players that would be part of his core to finish his career, whether it may be in NYK or elsewhere (if being a contender is important to him)

Same for Knick's, they must decide if having a "BIG name" that will be on his decline is more important or to preserve cap space for 2015 UFA's and build a foundation is more important
The reason why we have no advanced past the 2nd round is because we simply don't have the combined TALENT, LEADERSHIP, 2 way players, players that FIT together, and a COACH that actually runs a philosophy/system, along with NOT developing/valuing young players to become the next Lance Stephenson
It doesn't have to be our own draft picks but we simply cannot have vet min players and overaged vets with Melo alone
Continued development players like Jeremy Tyler, James Johnson, Jordan Hendricks, Murry, PG's like Darren Collison, Kendall Marshall, Darius Morris

Along with USING our MLE this summer
We have failed miserably with Kidd last season, and MWP/Pablo this past summer, while we NEEDED TALENT and missed LEADERSHIP

targets include

PG *WE NEED AN UPGRADE* cut ties with Pablo, MWP, and whoever needed

Sessions
Greviez Vasquez
Bayless
Darren Collison

SG

Trevor Ariza

SF/PF
*WE ALSO NEED SF/PF cause MWP is done and I think we should at least go after James Johnson with a 2 year vet min deal guaranteed to be our backup and could be a starter for us now*

Marion


Dante Cunningham ??
Trevor Booker ???
NOT SURE if Cunningham and Booker are worth using the MLE at but for sure at vet min deals along with undersized PF/C Dejuan Blairre

PF/C

Josh McRoberts


We still have the 3m to use in trades/buy picks and we could use it again in the summer
I would see what Chandler's value is especially with Tyler looking impressive and both Amare/Martin coming back, and AB *much better at Center than useless at PF with Chandler
See if there is interest around the league filling some of our holes like to Bobcats for Sessions, McRoberts, and fills ins with 3 team trades or gaining picks with bad contracts that do not go beyond 2015 like Perkins and some picks and young players


players with player option
Nate Robinson
Randy Foye
Mo Williams
Darren Collison


Josh McRoberts
Nick Young

because of the new CBA
the difference in the talent in vet min players to about 2-3m is VERY high, a reason why saving just a couple million can be very important

I root for the Knick's NOT for Melo
I give examples on how to build for the Knick's both with and without Melo but if Melo wants to opt for for a MAX contract, I think that could be the worse move we could do with 2015 so close and our inability to add talent needed to contend, thus our current record
Felton isn't going to get better as he will get older and even slower with worse DEF, but JR might be able to get back to his previous year's success

I know there are a lot of Melo supporters in here, no offense, but my opinion is based on building for KNICKS to be contenders and be able to compete with the Pacers, which I don't see ever happening if Melo opts out and gets a max deal

Pacer's have cap room, exemptions to go along with their core, and their players still have value so can be traded for cap space to continue to improve

right now I see Pacer's core being

Paul George
Lance Stephenson
Roy Hibbert

all 3 of the above are very good 2 way players and are young, and would make much less than what Melo would be getting at a max deal

and David West for leadership, rebounding, and scoring

then

George Hill
Scola

off the bench that don't even play much but could contribute if needed
Mahimi
Copeland

the continued development of their pick in Solomon Jones *who could improve much in the next 2-3 years and play a role

Again it isn't about Melo, it is about the Knicks
And we need a whole new coaching staff, one that values development, with the talent needed to run a system both on OFF and DEF, because Woodson is too stubborn and lacks any creativity to actually run plays while we have low IQ and too many older players that lack speed/athleticism

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1/25/2014  9:34 PM
I would much rather have Kevin Love and some other talents with the cap room that a MAX deal for Melo would be

even at a max contract with Kevin Love it starts at about 17m and Melo's starts about 27m, so that is 10m in difference
It just doesn't max cents or millions with 2015 so close, especially since we own our own 2015/16 draft pick that we can TANK for if Melo wants to go elsewhere *especially if we have the ability to get SOMETHING out of him if Melo doesn't want to stay at NYK for under 20m per year

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1/25/2014  9:43 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/25/2014  9:43 PM
RonRon wrote:I honestly believe Melo just wants to gain leverage to see if he does OPT out what the Knick's MAX offer would be to keep him
Besides for Lakers, I don't think there are many teams that could and would offer anything CLOSE to a max offer for Melo at his age and deficiencies

I don't believe we should outbid ourselves like we did for Allan Houston because we wouldn't be able to surround him with the talent NEEDED especially with all the FA's available in 2015, we would be stuck in mediocrity AT BEST if we offer him 20m to 30m per year

Of course this is Dolan's team and it will be up to him and we are just fans
But if he does want to WIN in NYK, his best move would be to NOT opt out, keeping the salary of 23-25m, and both The Knicks and Melo must prioritize what is important to them

If Melo feels what Lebron, Wade, and Bosh did was "SMART" then he should recruit in 2015 and target players that would be part of his core to finish his career, whether it may be in NYK or elsewhere (if being a contender is important to him)

Same for Knick's, they must decide if having a "BIG name" that will be on his decline is more important or to preserve cap space for 2015 UFA's and build a foundation is more important
The reason why we have no advanced past the 2nd round is because we simply don't have the combined TALENT, LEADERSHIP, 2 way players, players that FIT together, and a COACH that actually runs a philosophy/system, along with NOT developing/valuing young players to become the next Lance Stephenson
It doesn't have to be our own draft picks but we simply cannot have vet min players and overaged vets with Melo alone
Continued development players like Jeremy Tyler, James Johnson, Jordan Hendricks, Murry, PG's like Darren Collison, Kendall Marshall, Darius Morris

Along with USING our MLE this summer
We have failed miserably with Kidd last season, and MWP/Pablo this past summer, while we NEEDED TALENT and missed LEADERSHIP

targets include

PG *WE NEED AN UPGRADE* cut ties with Pablo, MWP, and whoever needed

Sessions
Greviez Vasquez
Bayless
Darren Collison

SG

Trevor Ariza

SF/PF
*WE ALSO NEED SF/PF cause MWP is done and I think we should at least go after James Johnson with a 2 year vet min deal guaranteed to be our backup and could be a starter for us now*

Marion


Dante Cunningham ??
Trevor Booker ???
NOT SURE if Cunningham and Booker are worth using the MLE at but for sure at vet min deals along with undersized PF/C Dejuan Blairre

PF/C

Josh McRoberts


We still have the 3m to use in trades/buy picks and we could use it again in the summer
I would see what Chandler's value is especially with Tyler looking impressive and both Amare/Martin coming back, and AB *much better at Center than useless at PF with Chandler
See if there is interest around the league filling some of our holes like to Bobcats for Sessions, McRoberts, and fills ins with 3 team trades or gaining picks with bad contracts that do not go beyond 2015 like Perkins and some picks and young players


players with player option
Nate Robinson
Randy Foye
Mo Williams
Darren Collison


Josh McRoberts
Nick Young

because of the new CBA
the difference in the talent in vet min players to about 2-3m is VERY high, a reason why saving just a couple million can be very important

I root for the Knick's NOT for Melo
I give examples on how to build for the Knick's both with and without Melo but if Melo wants to opt for for a MAX contract, I think that could be the worse move we could do with 2015 so close and our inability to add talent needed to contend, thus our current record
Felton isn't going to get better as he will get older and even slower with worse DEF, but JR might be able to get back to his previous year's success

I know there are a lot of Melo supporters in here, no offense, but my opinion is based on building for KNICKS to be contenders and be able to compete with the Pacers, which I don't see ever happening if Melo opts out and gets a max deal

Pacer's have cap room, exemptions to go along with their core, and their players still have value so can be traded for cap space to continue to improve

right now I see Pacer's core being

Paul George
Lance Stephenson
Roy Hibbert

all 3 of the above are very good 2 way players and are young, and would make much less than what Melo would be getting at a max deal

and David West for leadership, rebounding, and scoring

then

George Hill
Scola

off the bench that don't even play much but could contribute if needed
Mahimi
Copeland

the continued development of their pick in Solomon Jones *who could improve much in the next 2-3 years and play a role

Again it isn't about Melo, it is about the Knicks
And we need a whole new coaching staff, one that values development, with the talent needed to run a system both on OFF and DEF, because Woodson is too stubborn and lacks any creativity to actually run plays while we have low IQ and too many older players that lack speed/athleticism

AMARE

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1/25/2014  9:47 PM
For all the fans here that want to keep Melo at a MAXish type deal
You are the same ones that say that the reason we are losing is because we lack talent to surround him with the talent needed?
Well, how does that change if Melo opts out and gets anything above 20m per year instead of waiting till 2015 to recruit?

Teams will continue to get better while we are unable to add the talent needed to compete and we have already traded many of our draft picks already to limit possibilities to draft or trade for players....

Even assuming if Kevin Love doesn't take a pay cut to form a new trio as our CORE, and what if we can convince 3 players to come at a lower than market rate to play in NYK?
That won't happen if Melo gets his MAX contract this summer though
With that extra 10m and our own 2015/16 pick, and we could be getting a TOP 5 pick and a top 10 pick going to Denver this year for Melo with all the assets we already gave away

I think Kevin Love and Rudy Gay would be > than Melo, and is a real possibility for 2015

and you know what, what if we can get Poppavich as our head coach and convince Tim Duncan to come with him with a future HIGH paying job as a future head coach or assistant/development coach?
And what if we paired Bynum or Asik/DeAndre Jordan, Varejo or whoever, to go with Duncan in addition to the development of Jeremy Tyler....

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1/25/2014  9:49 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/25/2014  9:52 PM
holfresh wrote:
RonRon wrote:I honestly believe Melo just wants to gain leverage to see if he does OPT out what the Knick's MAX offer would be to keep him
Besides for Lakers, I don't think there are many teams that could and would offer anything CLOSE to a max offer for Melo at his age and deficiencies

I don't believe we should outbid ourselves like we did for Allan Houston because we wouldn't be able to surround him with the talent NEEDED especially with all the FA's available in 2015, we would be stuck in mediocrity AT BEST if we offer him 20m to 30m per year

Of course this is Dolan's team and it will be up to him and we are just fans
But if he does want to WIN in NYK, his best move would be to NOT opt out, keeping the salary of 23-25m, and both The Knicks and Melo must prioritize what is important to them

If Melo feels what Lebron, Wade, and Bosh did was "SMART" then he should recruit in 2015 and target players that would be part of his core to finish his career, whether it may be in NYK or elsewhere (if being a contender is important to him)

Same for Knick's, they must decide if having a "BIG name" that will be on his decline is more important or to preserve cap space for 2015 UFA's and build a foundation is more important
The reason why we have no advanced past the 2nd round is because we simply don't have the combined TALENT, LEADERSHIP, 2 way players, players that FIT together, and a COACH that actually runs a philosophy/system, along with NOT developing/valuing young players to become the next Lance Stephenson
It doesn't have to be our own draft picks but we simply cannot have vet min players and overaged vets with Melo alone
Continued development players like Jeremy Tyler, James Johnson, Jordan Hendricks, Murry, PG's like Darren Collison, Kendall Marshall, Darius Morris

Along with USING our MLE this summer
We have failed miserably with Kidd last season, and MWP/Pablo this past summer, while we NEEDED TALENT and missed LEADERSHIP

targets include

PG *WE NEED AN UPGRADE* cut ties with Pablo, MWP, and whoever needed

Sessions
Greviez Vasquez
Bayless
Darren Collison

SG

Trevor Ariza

SF/PF
*WE ALSO NEED SF/PF cause MWP is done and I think we should at least go after James Johnson with a 2 year vet min deal guaranteed to be our backup and could be a starter for us now*

Marion


Dante Cunningham ??
Trevor Booker ???
NOT SURE if Cunningham and Booker are worth using the MLE at but for sure at vet min deals along with undersized PF/C Dejuan Blairre

PF/C

Josh McRoberts


We still have the 3m to use in trades/buy picks and we could use it again in the summer
I would see what Chandler's value is especially with Tyler looking impressive and both Amare/Martin coming back, and AB *much better at Center than useless at PF with Chandler
See if there is interest around the league filling some of our holes like to Bobcats for Sessions, McRoberts, and fills ins with 3 team trades or gaining picks with bad contracts that do not go beyond 2015 like Perkins and some picks and young players


players with player option
Nate Robinson
Randy Foye
Mo Williams
Darren Collison


Josh McRoberts
Nick Young

because of the new CBA
the difference in the talent in vet min players to about 2-3m is VERY high, a reason why saving just a couple million can be very important

I root for the Knick's NOT for Melo
I give examples on how to build for the Knick's both with and without Melo but if Melo wants to opt for for a MAX contract, I think that could be the worse move we could do with 2015 so close and our inability to add talent needed to contend, thus our current record
Felton isn't going to get better as he will get older and even slower with worse DEF, but JR might be able to get back to his previous year's success

I know there are a lot of Melo supporters in here, no offense, but my opinion is based on building for KNICKS to be contenders and be able to compete with the Pacers, which I don't see ever happening if Melo opts out and gets a max deal

Pacer's have cap room, exemptions to go along with their core, and their players still have value so can be traded for cap space to continue to improve

right now I see Pacer's core being

Paul George
Lance Stephenson
Roy Hibbert

all 3 of the above are very good 2 way players and are young, and would make much less than what Melo would be getting at a max deal

and David West for leadership, rebounding, and scoring

then

George Hill
Scola

off the bench that don't even play much but could contribute if needed
Mahimi
Copeland

the continued development of their pick in Solomon Jones *who could improve much in the next 2-3 years and play a role

Again it isn't about Melo, it is about the Knicks
And we need a whole new coaching staff, one that values development, with the talent needed to run a system both on OFF and DEF, because Woodson is too stubborn and lacks any creativity to actually run plays while we have low IQ and too many older players that lack speed/athleticism

AMARE

exactly what I mean, you are going to be pointing the finger at someone else if Melo does stay in NYK for a max deal this summer
because we LACK TALENT

so paying him isn't the answer either, why not try another route, if you are going to point the finger if we have to overpay in order to keep him

With cap space, we can target a core to build on, without out it we can only watch as other teams get players at a low rate while we only have the vet min to offer
Also, who would want to come to NYK at this point at a discount if Melo/Woodson is here at a max deal, limiting their ability to play TEAM basketball and get shots

Playing off Melo isn't the answer, he just isn't good enough, not at a max deal
I am not saying Melo is the problem, I am saying he isn't the answer at that price

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1/25/2014  10:04 PM
RonRon wrote:
holfresh wrote:
RonRon wrote:I honestly believe Melo just wants to gain leverage to see if he does OPT out what the Knick's MAX offer would be to keep him
Besides for Lakers, I don't think there are many teams that could and would offer anything CLOSE to a max offer for Melo at his age and deficiencies

I don't believe we should outbid ourselves like we did for Allan Houston because we wouldn't be able to surround him with the talent NEEDED especially with all the FA's available in 2015, we would be stuck in mediocrity AT BEST if we offer him 20m to 30m per year

Of course this is Dolan's team and it will be up to him and we are just fans
But if he does want to WIN in NYK, his best move would be to NOT opt out, keeping the salary of 23-25m, and both The Knicks and Melo must prioritize what is important to them

If Melo feels what Lebron, Wade, and Bosh did was "SMART" then he should recruit in 2015 and target players that would be part of his core to finish his career, whether it may be in NYK or elsewhere (if being a contender is important to him)

Same for Knick's, they must decide if having a "BIG name" that will be on his decline is more important or to preserve cap space for 2015 UFA's and build a foundation is more important
The reason why we have no advanced past the 2nd round is because we simply don't have the combined TALENT, LEADERSHIP, 2 way players, players that FIT together, and a COACH that actually runs a philosophy/system, along with NOT developing/valuing young players to become the next Lance Stephenson
It doesn't have to be our own draft picks but we simply cannot have vet min players and overaged vets with Melo alone
Continued development players like Jeremy Tyler, James Johnson, Jordan Hendricks, Murry, PG's like Darren Collison, Kendall Marshall, Darius Morris

Along with USING our MLE this summer
We have failed miserably with Kidd last season, and MWP/Pablo this past summer, while we NEEDED TALENT and missed LEADERSHIP

targets include

PG *WE NEED AN UPGRADE* cut ties with Pablo, MWP, and whoever needed

Sessions
Greviez Vasquez
Bayless
Darren Collison

SG

Trevor Ariza

SF/PF
*WE ALSO NEED SF/PF cause MWP is done and I think we should at least go after James Johnson with a 2 year vet min deal guaranteed to be our backup and could be a starter for us now*

Marion


Dante Cunningham ??
Trevor Booker ???
NOT SURE if Cunningham and Booker are worth using the MLE at but for sure at vet min deals along with undersized PF/C Dejuan Blairre

PF/C

Josh McRoberts


We still have the 3m to use in trades/buy picks and we could use it again in the summer
I would see what Chandler's value is especially with Tyler looking impressive and both Amare/Martin coming back, and AB *much better at Center than useless at PF with Chandler
See if there is interest around the league filling some of our holes like to Bobcats for Sessions, McRoberts, and fills ins with 3 team trades or gaining picks with bad contracts that do not go beyond 2015 like Perkins and some picks and young players


players with player option
Nate Robinson
Randy Foye
Mo Williams
Darren Collison


Josh McRoberts
Nick Young

because of the new CBA
the difference in the talent in vet min players to about 2-3m is VERY high, a reason why saving just a couple million can be very important

I root for the Knick's NOT for Melo
I give examples on how to build for the Knick's both with and without Melo but if Melo wants to opt for for a MAX contract, I think that could be the worse move we could do with 2015 so close and our inability to add talent needed to contend, thus our current record
Felton isn't going to get better as he will get older and even slower with worse DEF, but JR might be able to get back to his previous year's success

I know there are a lot of Melo supporters in here, no offense, but my opinion is based on building for KNICKS to be contenders and be able to compete with the Pacers, which I don't see ever happening if Melo opts out and gets a max deal

Pacer's have cap room, exemptions to go along with their core, and their players still have value so can be traded for cap space to continue to improve

right now I see Pacer's core being

Paul George
Lance Stephenson
Roy Hibbert

all 3 of the above are very good 2 way players and are young, and would make much less than what Melo would be getting at a max deal

and David West for leadership, rebounding, and scoring

then

George Hill
Scola

off the bench that don't even play much but could contribute if needed
Mahimi
Copeland

the continued development of their pick in Solomon Jones *who could improve much in the next 2-3 years and play a role

Again it isn't about Melo, it is about the Knicks
And we need a whole new coaching staff, one that values development, with the talent needed to run a system both on OFF and DEF, because Woodson is too stubborn and lacks any creativity to actually run plays while we have low IQ and too many older players that lack speed/athleticism

AMARE

exactly what I mean, you are going to be pointing the finger at someone else if Melo does stay in NYK for a max deal this summer
because we LACK TALENT

so paying him isn't the answer either, why not try another route, if you are going to point the finger if we have to overpay in order to keep him

With cap space, we can target a core to build on, without out it we can only watch as other teams get players at a low rate while we only have the vet min to offer
Also, who would want to come to NYK at this point at a discount if Melo/Woodson is here at a max deal, limiting their ability to play TEAM basketball and get shots

Playing off Melo isn't the answer, he just isn't good enough, not at a max deal
I am not saying Melo is the problem, I am saying he isn't the answer at that price

You are building an argument entirely on the wrong premise...The reason the Knicks have not advanced in the playoffs is because of Amare's injury, period...

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1/25/2014  10:09 PM
RonRon wrote:
holfresh wrote:
RonRon wrote:I honestly believe Melo just wants to gain leverage to see if he does OPT out what the Knick's MAX offer would be to keep him
Besides for Lakers, I don't think there are many teams that could and would offer anything CLOSE to a max offer for Melo at his age and deficiencies

I don't believe we should outbid ourselves like we did for Allan Houston because we wouldn't be able to surround him with the talent NEEDED especially with all the FA's available in 2015, we would be stuck in mediocrity AT BEST if we offer him 20m to 30m per year

Of course this is Dolan's team and it will be up to him and we are just fans
But if he does want to WIN in NYK, his best move would be to NOT opt out, keeping the salary of 23-25m, and both The Knicks and Melo must prioritize what is important to them

If Melo feels what Lebron, Wade, and Bosh did was "SMART" then he should recruit in 2015 and target players that would be part of his core to finish his career, whether it may be in NYK or elsewhere (if being a contender is important to him)

Same for Knick's, they must decide if having a "BIG name" that will be on his decline is more important or to preserve cap space for 2015 UFA's and build a foundation is more important
The reason why we have no advanced past the 2nd round is because we simply don't have the combined TALENT, LEADERSHIP, 2 way players, players that FIT together, and a COACH that actually runs a philosophy/system, along with NOT developing/valuing young players to become the next Lance Stephenson
It doesn't have to be our own draft picks but we simply cannot have vet min players and overaged vets with Melo alone
Continued development players like Jeremy Tyler, James Johnson, Jordan Hendricks, Murry, PG's like Darren Collison, Kendall Marshall, Darius Morris

Along with USING our MLE this summer
We have failed miserably with Kidd last season, and MWP/Pablo this past summer, while we NEEDED TALENT and missed LEADERSHIP

targets include

PG *WE NEED AN UPGRADE* cut ties with Pablo, MWP, and whoever needed

Sessions
Greviez Vasquez
Bayless
Darren Collison

SG

Trevor Ariza

SF/PF
*WE ALSO NEED SF/PF cause MWP is done and I think we should at least go after James Johnson with a 2 year vet min deal guaranteed to be our backup and could be a starter for us now*

Marion


Dante Cunningham ??
Trevor Booker ???
NOT SURE if Cunningham and Booker are worth using the MLE at but for sure at vet min deals along with undersized PF/C Dejuan Blairre

PF/C

Josh McRoberts


We still have the 3m to use in trades/buy picks and we could use it again in the summer
I would see what Chandler's value is especially with Tyler looking impressive and both Amare/Martin coming back, and AB *much better at Center than useless at PF with Chandler
See if there is interest around the league filling some of our holes like to Bobcats for Sessions, McRoberts, and fills ins with 3 team trades or gaining picks with bad contracts that do not go beyond 2015 like Perkins and some picks and young players


players with player option
Nate Robinson
Randy Foye
Mo Williams
Darren Collison


Josh McRoberts
Nick Young

because of the new CBA
the difference in the talent in vet min players to about 2-3m is VERY high, a reason why saving just a couple million can be very important

I root for the Knick's NOT for Melo
I give examples on how to build for the Knick's both with and without Melo but if Melo wants to opt for for a MAX contract, I think that could be the worse move we could do with 2015 so close and our inability to add talent needed to contend, thus our current record
Felton isn't going to get better as he will get older and even slower with worse DEF, but JR might be able to get back to his previous year's success

I know there are a lot of Melo supporters in here, no offense, but my opinion is based on building for KNICKS to be contenders and be able to compete with the Pacers, which I don't see ever happening if Melo opts out and gets a max deal

Pacer's have cap room, exemptions to go along with their core, and their players still have value so can be traded for cap space to continue to improve

right now I see Pacer's core being

Paul George
Lance Stephenson
Roy Hibbert

all 3 of the above are very good 2 way players and are young, and would make much less than what Melo would be getting at a max deal

and David West for leadership, rebounding, and scoring

then

George Hill
Scola

off the bench that don't even play much but could contribute if needed
Mahimi
Copeland

the continued development of their pick in Solomon Jones *who could improve much in the next 2-3 years and play a role

Again it isn't about Melo, it is about the Knicks
And we need a whole new coaching staff, one that values development, with the talent needed to run a system both on OFF and DEF, because Woodson is too stubborn and lacks any creativity to actually run plays while we have low IQ and too many older players that lack speed/athleticism

AMARE

exactly what I mean, you are going to be pointing the finger at someone else if Melo does stay in NYK for a max deal this summer
because we LACK TALENT

so paying him isn't the answer either, why not try another route, if you are going to point the finger if we have to overpay in order to keep him

With cap space, we can target a core to build on, without out it we can only watch as other teams get players at a low rate while we only have the vet min to offer
Also, who would want to come to NYK at this point at a discount if Melo/Woodson is here at a max deal, limiting their ability to play TEAM basketball and get shots

Playing off Melo isn't the answer, he just isn't good enough, not at a max deal
I am not saying Melo is the problem, I am saying he isn't the answer at that price

Well pointing the finger at the highest paid player on the team makes sense if he is as hobbled as Amare has been the past two years. I love what Amare brings when he can bring it but the guy is a boat anchor on the cap and limits any moves that the knicks can make. 62 games in the past year and a half, 1300 minutes. The Knicks traded their lottery pick, an almost unprotected first rounder and signed and traded David Lee as part of the cap clearing process that landed Amare. Amare is the third highest paid player in the league and when healthy can play 20 minutes on non back to backs.
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If want to stay, he will stay period. If he doesn't we will have top 5 pick in 2015, picks for TC and Bargs and money in 15/16. But I hope Melo stays, he can win us a ring.
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Across a majestic Madison Square Garden performance of 62 points, Carmelo Anthony would've been wise to take a long look around, letting the thunderous noise, the love, wash down upon him. This is your life 'Melo, the best possible destination for the legacy of a ring-less superstar.

The losing, the decaying roster, has inspired 'Melo to consider closely the possibilities of free agency this summer. WIthin the past several weeks, a longtime confidant of Carmelo Anthony confesses, something changed. Never did he believe there was a chance Anthony would leave the New York Knicks – never the Madison Square Garden stage, never the $129 million contract extension.

Only now, the gloom of the Knicks' season – the uncertainty of the franchise's future – left that man to believe it's possible Anthony could leave New York in free agency.

"Chicago is much more in play for him than L.A.," the source said.

The Bulls traded Luol Deng for draft picks and are leaning strongly toward using the amnesty provision on Carlos Boozer. They could create a maximum contract slot for Anthony, pairing him with Derrick Rose. For Anthony, it is leaving a cap-strapped team through 2015 for a Chicago proposition with significant risks of its own. No one can be sure of Rose's return to his MVP greatness, but everyone can be sure of one thing: The franchise's mandate isn't winning championships, but sidestepping luxury and repeater taxes to turn the fattest possible profits for the owner.

As the Bulls have let talented player upon talented player leave because of money – Omer Asik and Kyle Korver and Deng – they've shown themselves to be a big market franchise with small-market sensibilities.
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Carmelo Anthony scored 62 points on just 35 shots against the Bobcats. (AP)
There's something else, too: Between the 22 combined championships in Chicago and Los Angeles, there's no adulation for a star who fails to deliver a title. The Knicks have gone 40 years without a parade – and could go another 40 without one – and still Anthony would forever be treated with a level of reverence in New York. There are no beloved ex-Hall of Famers like Patrick Ewing and Bernard King in L.A. and Chicago – just players who won championships, and just those long ago forgotten.

For those who think 'Melo's burden has left him too beleaguered in New York, it could be far worse elsewhere. Knicks ownership has turned the franchise over to him, and that'll only escalate in free agency. Whatever he wants, they'll give him. Owner Jim Dolan let him run out Mike D'Antoni and Jeremy Lin, let him have his eccentric workout coach on staff for a significant six-figure salary. They've centered the marketing on him; his Jordan Brand Nike deal is worth a mint in a Knicks uniform.

Truth be told, the grief that comes with this dysfunctional franchise is far less than he'd get with the Bulls and Lakers. In the end, Anthony would have to give up $40 million guaranteed to leave New York for opportunities that offer marginally better chances at championships. Anthony was fabulous on Friday night at the Garden – passing King's franchise record of 60 points and Kobe Bryant's Garden record of 61 – with ease.

In the end, this is the essence of Carmelo Anthony: a peerless scorer deserving of holding the franchise's and arena's forever records. Every generation has its stars who were spectacular, but never complete enough to be the centerpiece of a champion. There's no shame there. This was a night when 'Melo's legacy as a scoring ace delivered him into the brightest light of this season, on basketball's most glorious stage at the Garden.

For all the noise and all the love washing down upon him, Carmelo Anthony needed to understand that for his own good, his legacy, there's nowhere better for a ring-less superstar on a max scholarship than beneath those dusty, old championship banners from so long ago. This was 'Melo's night, his forever moment at Madison Square Garden. For him, there should be nowhere else.

I agree with this article. Chicago is going to push for Melo hard. They are going try to sell Rose. But will Melo leave $30 mil on the table to win. That remains to be seen.

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The losing, the decaying roster, has inspired 'Melo to consider closely the possibilities of free agency this summer. WIthin the past several weeks, a longtime confidant of Carmelo Anthony confesses, something changed. Never did he believe there was a chance Anthony would leave the New York Knicks – never the Madison Square Garden stage, never the $129 million contract extension. Only now, the gloom of the Knicks' season – the uncertainty of the franchise's future – left that man to believe it's possible Anthony could leave New York in free agency. Yahoo! Sports

"Chicago is much more in play for him than L.A.," the source said. Yahoo! Sports

Knicks ownership has turned the franchise over to him, and that'll only escalate in free agency. Whatever he wants, they'll give him. Owner Jim Dolan let him run out Mike D'Antoni and Jeremy Lin, let him have his eccentric workout coach on staff for a significant six-figure salary. They've centered the marketing on him; his Jordan Brand Nike deal is worth a mint in a Knicks uniform. Yahoo! Sports

During the summer, on a promotional trip to China with Jordan Brand, Anthony told friends, "There's no way I'm leaving New York," a person close to him told me recently. Of course, at that point, the Knicks were coming off a 54-win season and had reason to harbor a legitimate belief that they would be joining Indiana in hunting down Miami in the East for a shot at the NBA Finals. CBSSports.com


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So we have heard Lakers/Clippers earlier while we were losing, now we are hearing Chicago but Carmelo never imagined ever leaving NYC, MSG, and most importantly $129m *and all teams are big market for endorsements*


All coming out AFTER his 62 point performance in MSG

Honestly, how can we surround him with the talent needed to CONTEND if he OPTs out 1 year early, despite ALL THE FA's in 2015?
If he does opt out of his 23-25m$ deal and expects more money than that at a multiyear deal, I hope he would rather just walk to another team, I don't see another team coming close to that amount, not a contender and big market team at least....


I think Sun's are the closests to be able to put in a BIG salary for for him but they are not a large market team and despite their winning record, they have EMPTY seats, so they might be willing to pull the trigger


He could have kept it to himself about opting out rather than creating all this hype around him but of course he wants the spotlight and be able to see if there is interest around the league, crating leverage vs Dolan till our record spoke for itself

He wants the best of all WORLDS in terms of $$$ and doesn't care about the future and ability to contend, at least that is the lowest of his priority
After realizing, NYK is the best team that could offer him the most money THIS SUMMER, "There is no way I'm leaving NYK"

He calls what Lebron, Wade, and Bosh did as "SMART" but he has the ability to recruit similar talents in 2015 if he REALLY wants to win with all the UFA's available
So if he does OPT out and resigns a max deal, did he just call himself an idiot, or just $$$ hungry?

I am saying it now, if he resigns to anything close to a MAX deal in NYK THIS SUMMER, we are done for the next 6 years at least (probably 10 years, we will probably send picks up to 2030 to continue to try to build around him with limited salary


And he will break down, get fat, get lazy, point fingers, and still want all the glory.....

Oh btw, whatever happened to Melo's liquid diet, that he claimed to do ALL THE TIME, after he loss his cool with KG over the whole "Honey Nut Cheerios" incident
I know a BS artist when I see one and I am sick of his BS

Really, it took you nearly half a season to come out to play with some passion?
62 points and he is happy! look at our record, wake the F up, that is why he is NOT a leader

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1/26/2014  1:40 AM
RonRon wrote:The losing, the decaying roster, has inspired 'Melo to consider closely the possibilities of free agency this summer. WIthin the past several weeks, a longtime confidant of Carmelo Anthony confesses, something changed. Never did he believe there was a chance Anthony would leave the New York Knicks – never the Madison Square Garden stage, never the $129 million contract extension. Only now, the gloom of the Knicks' season – the uncertainty of the franchise's future – left that man to believe it's possible Anthony could leave New York in free agency. Yahoo! Sports

"Chicago is much more in play for him than L.A.," the source said. Yahoo! Sports

Knicks ownership has turned the franchise over to him, and that'll only escalate in free agency. Whatever he wants, they'll give him. Owner Jim Dolan let him run out Mike D'Antoni and Jeremy Lin, let him have his eccentric workout coach on staff for a significant six-figure salary. They've centered the marketing on him; his Jordan Brand Nike deal is worth a mint in a Knicks uniform. Yahoo! Sports

During the summer, on a promotional trip to China with Jordan Brand, Anthony told friends, "There's no way I'm leaving New York," a person close to him told me recently. Of course, at that point, the Knicks were coming off a 54-win season and had reason to harbor a legitimate belief that they would be joining Indiana in hunting down Miami in the East for a shot at the NBA Finals. CBSSports.com


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So we have heard Lakers/Clippers earlier while we were losing, now we are hearing Chicago but Carmelo never imagined ever leaving NYC, MSG, and most importantly $129m *and all teams are big market for endorsements*


All coming out AFTER his 62 point performance in MSG

Honestly, how can we surround him with the talent needed to CONTEND if he OPTs out 1 year early, despite ALL THE FA's in 2015?
If he does opt out of his 23-25m$ deal and expects more money than that at a multiyear deal, I hope he would rather just walk to another team, I don't see another team coming close to that amount, not a contender and big market team at least....


I think Sun's are the closests to be able to put in a BIG salary for for him but they are not a large market team and despite their winning record, they have EMPTY seats, so they might be willing to pull the trigger


He could have kept it to himself about opting out rather than creating all this hype around him but of course he wants the spotlight and be able to see if there is interest around the league, crating leverage vs Dolan till our record spoke for itself

He wants the best of all WORLDS in terms of $$$ and doesn't care about the future and ability to contend, at least that is the lowest of his priority
After realizing, NYK is the best team that could offer him the most money THIS SUMMER, "There is no way I'm leaving NYK"

He calls what Lebron, Wade, and Bosh did as "SMART" but he has the ability to recruit similar talents in 2015 if he REALLY wants to win with all the UFA's available
So if he does OPT out and resigns a max deal, did he just call himself an idiot, or just $$$ hungry?

I am saying it now, if he resigns to anything close to a MAX deal in NYK THIS SUMMER, we are done for the next 6 years at least (probably 10 years, we will probably send picks up to 2030 to continue to try to build around him with limited salary


And he will break down, get fat, get lazy, point fingers, and still want all the glory.....

Oh btw, whatever happened to Melo's liquid diet, that he claimed to do ALL THE TIME, after he loss his cool with KG over the whole "Honey Nut Cheerios" incident
I know a BS artist when I see one and I am sick of his BS

Really, it took you nearly half a season to come out to play with some passion?
62 points and he is happy! look at our record, wake the F up, that is why he is NOT a leader

I think basically you are saying you don't like the guy. I don't know Melo. I do have a friend who is friends with Jason Kidd and he has said that Kidd says Melo is a great guy, an amazing player, and the reason he chose ny. On a side note he told me he will take me to kidd's hof ceremony. I will post pictures. In regards to last nights game, have to ask if you watched the game. Melo had his head down during time outs wasn't smiling and basically said he was sick of losing and wasn't going to tolerate it anymore. Nothing about Melo's body language or his words indicated he was happy with his performance during the game or even after. He just wanted a win. Since Tyson has been back all of the good that happened on the texas trip disappeared. Not many players can get so locked in that they can do what Melo did. In regards to his diet, he said he wasn't doing it this year. Not sure why but my guess is that he knows he is weaker when he does it. Melo has had to get his points in the post this year. Last night was more like the beginning of last season where his jump shot was unstoppable. Hopefully he has that back for the rest of the season.

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RonRon wrote:For all the fans here that want to keep Melo at a MAXish type deal
You are the same ones that say that the reason we are losing is because we lack talent to surround him with the talent needed?
Well, how does that change if Melo opts out and gets anything above 20m per year instead of waiting till 2015 to recruit?

Teams will continue to get better while we are unable to add the talent needed to compete and we have already traded many of our draft picks already to limit possibilities to draft or trade for players....

Even assuming if Kevin Love doesn't take a pay cut to form a new trio as our CORE, and what if we can convince 3 players to come at a lower than market rate to play in NYK?
That won't happen if Melo gets his MAX contract this summer though
With that extra 10m and our own 2015/16 pick, and we could be getting a TOP 5 pick and a top 10 pick going to Denver this year for Melo with all the assets we already gave away

I think Kevin Love and Rudy Gay would be > than Melo, and is a real possibility for 2015

and you know what, what if we can get Poppavich as our head coach and convince Tim Duncan to come with him with a future HIGH paying job as a future head coach or assistant/development coach?
And what if we paired Bynum or Asik/DeAndre Jordan, Varejo or whoever, to go with Duncan in addition to the development of Jeremy Tyler....

Good question

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1/26/2014  2:58 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/26/2014  3:04 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
RonRon wrote:The losing, the decaying roster, has inspired 'Melo to consider closely the possibilities of free agency this summer. WIthin the past several weeks, a longtime confidant of Carmelo Anthony confesses, something changed. Never did he believe there was a chance Anthony would leave the New York Knicks – never the Madison Square Garden stage, never the $129 million contract extension. Only now, the gloom of the Knicks' season – the uncertainty of the franchise's future – left that man to believe it's possible Anthony could leave New York in free agency. Yahoo! Sports

"Chicago is much more in play for him than L.A.," the source said. Yahoo! Sports

Knicks ownership has turned the franchise over to him, and that'll only escalate in free agency. Whatever he wants, they'll give him. Owner Jim Dolan let him run out Mike D'Antoni and Jeremy Lin, let him have his eccentric workout coach on staff for a significant six-figure salary. They've centered the marketing on him; his Jordan Brand Nike deal is worth a mint in a Knicks uniform. Yahoo! Sports

During the summer, on a promotional trip to China with Jordan Brand, Anthony told friends, "There's no way I'm leaving New York," a person close to him told me recently. Of course, at that point, the Knicks were coming off a 54-win season and had reason to harbor a legitimate belief that they would be joining Indiana in hunting down Miami in the East for a shot at the NBA Finals. CBSSports.com


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So we have heard Lakers/Clippers earlier while we were losing, now we are hearing Chicago but Carmelo never imagined ever leaving NYC, MSG, and most importantly $129m *and all teams are big market for endorsements*


All coming out AFTER his 62 point performance in MSG

Honestly, how can we surround him with the talent needed to CONTEND if he OPTs out 1 year early, despite ALL THE FA's in 2015?
If he does opt out of his 23-25m$ deal and expects more money than that at a multiyear deal, I hope he would rather just walk to another team, I don't see another team coming close to that amount, not a contender and big market team at least....


I think Sun's are the closests to be able to put in a BIG salary for for him but they are not a large market team and despite their winning record, they have EMPTY seats, so they might be willing to pull the trigger


He could have kept it to himself about opting out rather than creating all this hype around him but of course he wants the spotlight and be able to see if there is interest around the league, crating leverage vs Dolan till our record spoke for itself

He wants the best of all WORLDS in terms of $$$ and doesn't care about the future and ability to contend, at least that is the lowest of his priority
After realizing, NYK is the best team that could offer him the most money THIS SUMMER, "There is no way I'm leaving NYK"

He calls what Lebron, Wade, and Bosh did as "SMART" but he has the ability to recruit similar talents in 2015 if he REALLY wants to win with all the UFA's available
So if he does OPT out and resigns a max deal, did he just call himself an idiot, or just $$$ hungry?

I am saying it now, if he resigns to anything close to a MAX deal in NYK THIS SUMMER, we are done for the next 6 years at least (probably 10 years, we will probably send picks up to 2030 to continue to try to build around him with limited salary


And he will break down, get fat, get lazy, point fingers, and still want all the glory.....

Oh btw, whatever happened to Melo's liquid diet, that he claimed to do ALL THE TIME, after he loss his cool with KG over the whole "Honey Nut Cheerios" incident
I know a BS artist when I see one and I am sick of his BS

Really, it took you nearly half a season to come out to play with some passion?
62 points and he is happy! look at our record, wake the F up, that is why he is NOT a leader

I think basically you are saying you don't like the guy. I don't know Melo. I do have a friend who is friends with Jason Kidd and he has said that Kidd says Melo is a great guy, an amazing player, and the reason he chose ny. On a side note he told me he will take me to kidd's hof ceremony. I will post pictures. In regards to last nights game, have to ask if you watched the game. Melo had his head down during time outs wasn't smiling and basically said he was sick of losing and wasn't going to tolerate it anymore. Nothing about Melo's body language or his words indicated he was happy with his performance during the game or even after. He just wanted a win. Since Tyson has been back all of the good that happened on the texas trip disappeared. Not many players can get so locked in that they can do what Melo did. In regards to his diet, he said he wasn't doing it this year. Not sure why but my guess is that he knows he is weaker when he does it. Melo has had to get his points in the post this year. Last night was more like the beginning of last season where his jump shot was unstoppable. Hopefully he has that back for the rest of the season.

In the game he was serious, after the game, on the bench, in the post game interviews, he was happy
Listen, he had a great game, good for him, but if he was a real leader, he would let his team mates know, this is NOT more important than a W and we have to continue to W and get back in the Atlantic Division hunt before the All Star break

A couple years back, when Indiana beat Miami in game one I believe, think 2 or 3 years ago, while Lance Stephenson was still 10th-12th man talking smack to The Heat
The team got all happy when they won game 1 and David West grabbed his team and said, "LETS GO" in a serious tone, and "ACT LIKE WE HAVE BEEN THERE"

"We still have a series to finish" so winning one game was great and instead of letting Miami use that as motivation to kick their buts in the series, come out and finish the series before you start celebrating....

Now that is a leader, a veteran, and Melo is suppose to be one with his experience in the league, but he is NOT, he is a STAT whore, and put's his numbers above ALL
That was why he Billups was needed for him to advance to the 2nd round in Denver and Kidd was so important with Wallace, Thomas, and Camby last season
But the truth is, we need TALENT to go with leadership, and Melo being a veteran at this point of his career still DOES NOT understand that

A true franchise talent is a player that is a leader, a 2 way defender, a clutch player that delivers when needed most, a player that makes his team mates better and gets them involved first to build their confidence up, establishing them first because he has the talent to get his whenever he wants, a player that puts WINNING above all and makes his entire team understand it

Because of his talent and abilities, his actions and words both on and off the court, hold more value than any other player and sometimes even the HEAD Coach at times, especially with a crappy coach like Woodson

It is fine, he is a volume scorer, and he isn't what he thinks he is, a franchise building block
He wants max money at 20-30m with a max extension to stay in NYK, well with that max contract comes a lot more responsibility
If he doesn't have those abilities, isn't a 2 way player, an AVERAGE DEFENDER AT BEST, isn't a leader, doesn't make his team mates better, doesn't put the work needed both on and off the court *in the BEST POSSIBLE NBA SHAPE*, then he shouldn't demand a max extension, especially with the NEW CBA and his max $ being HALF of the entire TEAMS salary

He made the max possible $$$ already in his NBA career, but he continues to want to point the finger with the lack of talent, well, he wants talent, he wants to win, then he needs to sacrifice

He has consistently shown that he DOES NOT WANT TO CHANGE for the better of the team, unable to provide the leadership qualities, unable to make his team mates better *while Jeremy Lin did with HORRIBLE TALENT with him* but refused to even consider to adapt with him for the better of the team, but wanted all the glory/high lights

Easy, GET THE TALENT and LEADERS needed.... don't cry me a river because you forced your way to NYK when you could have signed with them in the off season or give them total leverage in trades with a simple statement "I AM NOT RESIGNING with ANY TEAM BUT NYKs"

But he is repeating the same crap but at a higher salary....
What if Melo does the same thing the next 5 years and gives up, decides to eat whatever he wants/gets fat, doesn't come in to NBA shape, and injuries/physical abilities decline
He already lacks IQ, lacks the ability to make other around him better, or should I see is not a facilitator and does not play a style in which his team mates can consistently play off his abilities but refuses to take anything less or play another style even though he had a shoulder injury *SHOOTING 30 shots a game*

while in game 6, Iman, Copeland, JR, were the ones that brought us back from a BLOW OUT
But as soon as he went in, HE WAS DETERMINED to be the "HERO" forcing 1v1 while Paul George 1v1 and Hibbert patrolling to paint have shown to have the ability to make him take low % shots

Instead of letting the play develop, playing in the flow of the game, demand the ball, force the shot, and believe you can hit any shot as long as you can get the shot off
And that is why the main reason why he NEVER got out of the 1st round of the playoffs except once in Denver and once in NYK
Like TFK and DK say, he is fools gold when playoff time comes

He knew Copeland complimented him more with Hibbert and Chandler being "out of of shape" but did NOT tell Woodson that
Instead he threw his ex old team mate in Lin (still his team mate at the time) right under the buss as soon he heard his deal *FIRST TIME EVER DONE IN THE ENTIRE SPORTS HISTORY, along with trading half a team for 1 player*

Which was very unprofessional and unethical, more importantly illustrating his true colors, lack of character, and jealousy in his own team mate (all while he is complaining he needed talent around him)

So yes, I don't like him, but that has NOTHING to do with why I don't want him for a MAX extension
I have always thought he was too in to himself, ****y, and selfish
His actions over the course of the years in NYK have only proven me right, time after time....

I do think he is talented in some areas, a volume scorer, I don't think he is nearly as good as HE thinks he is
He needs much more talent around him than he gives his team credit for with a COACH that sticks it to him with his lack of IQ and poor shot selection to motivate him
Over the course of Woodson and Dolan, they enabled him and it is completely frustrating

NO ONE is bigger than the game themselves, NOT STAT is more important than a W, there are a lot of things that are not accounted for with NUMBERS on the court, and sacrificed need to be made, which he clearly does no understand and I am not sure if he ever will

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1/26/2014  3:52 AM
Melo has become a more rounded player. His rebounds are way up and I believe his assists are up. Assists on this team are hard to come by because no one else can score other than bargs. In regards to grabbing guys or getting in their face that isn't melo and he isn't going to become that guy. Never ever. That takes nothing away from his play on the court or his intensity on both ends of the floor. Melo will almost always be your best player but he isn't going to be your best leader. Move on from that if you want to be successful. If you have a guy that gives you 27 and 9 every night you are ahead of 3/4 of the league. Bringing in leadership is on the management. Melo is and was the same person he is now. Maybe the thought was paying 15 mil to Tyson takes care of leadership but it didn't. It might be in the Knicks best interest to trade for Andre Miller if they can. They need a leader and dre needs a change.
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1/26/2014  5:28 AM
CrushAlot wrote:Melo has become a more rounded player. His rebounds are way up and I believe his assists are up. Assists on this team are hard to come by because no one else can score other than bargs. In regards to grabbing guys or getting in their face that isn't melo and he isn't going to become that guy. Never ever. That takes nothing away from his play on the court or his intensity on both ends of the floor. Melo will almost always be your best player but he isn't going to be your best leader. Move on from that if you want to be successful. If you have a guy that gives you 27 and 9 every night you are ahead of 3/4 of the league. Bringing in leadership is on the management. Melo is and was the same person he is now. Maybe the thought was paying 15 mil to Tyson takes care of leadership but it didn't. It might be in the Knicks best interest to trade for Andre Miller if they can. They need a leader and dre needs a change.


I don't think a MAX deal at his previous contract with us is that bad, maybe even slightly overpaid towards the end of his contract at 23m +
But considering his age, it was at his "PEAK"
I questioned if he would be a good fit with us, especially with Amare since they both need the ball
Once he came over to NYK, he made sure he was going to be the Alpha even though STAT took the back seat to him, and was having an MVP considerate season prior to the trade


As I said, he is a volume scorer, not EFFICIENT, isn't a good defender much less a LOCK DOWN DEFENDER a 2 way player Duncan or nearly as efficient/skilled as him, isn't a creator/facilitator like Paul George, Durant, Lebron are, or even one like Dirk, listen he is still a talented player but I believe you need to put him in a core of at least 3 All STAR caliber players or at least 2 ALL STARs and a couple of good/solid versatile players like the ones we traded away in the deal (Wilson Chandler along with a few more SOLID rotation players)

At his age, mileage, HIS max starting at 27m and goes as high as 32m+, he isn't worth a MAX salary
At that price, you can sign 2 players for a MAX deal in the range of James Harden/Paul George/Hibbert/Kevin Love area
And for that reason, he isn't worth a max extension that he is eligible for
There is no way to justify his salary with this CBA unless you have a bunch of talent on the team that allows us to run a system close to TEAM USA on both ends
But we don't I NEVER will be able to if he opts out this summer and NOT recruit in 2015, instead
Till we gain obtain many players as huge upgrades with athleticism, versatile all round skills, the ability to shoot and go inside out, and they must be 2 way players

But there is NO WAY of being able to do this if he OPTS out this summer rather than not opting out and letting 2015 come then recruit *take slightly less that year with player option* and THEN in 2016 summer get compensated at a 20m+ extension, after we are able to add the talented needed to run a system similar to TEAM USA
Thing is this is all possible with the UFA's available in 2015 and he has recognized that what Lebron, Wade, and Bosh did was smart

Well, he has the same opportunity to form his core, or possible 3 ALL STAR trio, they all might have to take less, but at least he has the option of opting out and then getting a 20m+ extension in 2016
SO unless this happens in fact does happen in 2015, then he opts out in 2016 summer, I just don't think he is worth it

And even though I don't like Melo personally, i recognized he is talented and I think I am quite fair to judge him with his past results in the playofs, his inabilities, his inability to get players around him to play better, and his lack of qualities like with poor shot selection, streaky shot %, inability play a style that his team mates can play off of
Listen, he is going to be 30, if he opts out he and gets a max deal, he would be 35 by the end of his contract
There is a decent chance that he could decline greatly just like how Tmac did, Carter did, which were once known to be GREAT scorers as well
If I had to compare I think he resembles a BIGGER Jerry Stackhouse but at SF/PF than SG/SF that Stackhouse played

As his physical game declines so will a lot of his abilities show even more and could likely be a HUGE risk at his age/use/health

I don't let me "personal" reasons of not liking the guy affect my judgement of what I think he is actually worth

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1/26/2014  7:23 AM
This is stupid. Why do some of you guys trust this Knicks management to rebuild correctly if they let Melo walk? This Knick management group sucks. They haven't made a single good move in over 10 years. Even Donnie Walsh screwed us by signing D'Antoni and Amare. We got lucky to get star at the level of Melo here. He is the only Knick player that can attract other stars to come to NY and play for the Knicks. No one can prove there is a way to get a player at the talent level of Melo to come to NY. So why are we talking about letting Melo walk? What players are you going to build your core around? Iman Shumpert and TH Jr? Thats your core? You trust Steve Mills to draft franchise players?

Stop kidding yourselves. Keeping Melo at least give us the possibility to attract real talent to NY. Letting our best player walk for nothing is beyond retarted. The blow it up people will make vague recommendations like, get better 2-way players!! Oh yeah, sounds easy. You guys will be the same people complaining about horrible seasons and lack of scoring after letting Melo walk. Say what you want but stars win in the NBA. Don't talk about building around Gallo and Mozgov, talk about getting Melo help after Amare, Tyson and Bargs contracts expire.

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1/26/2014  9:22 AM
Silverfuel wrote:This is stupid. Why do some of you guys trust this Knicks management to rebuild correctly if they let Melo walk? This Knick management group sucks. They haven't made a single good move in over 10 years. Even Donnie Walsh screwed us by signing D'Antoni and Amare. We got lucky to get star at the level of Melo here. He is the only Knick player that can attract other stars to come to NY and play for the Knicks. No one can prove there is a way to get a player at the talent level of Melo to come to NY. So why are we talking about letting Melo walk? What players are you going to build your core around? Iman Shumpert and TH Jr? Thats your core? You trust Steve Mills to draft franchise players?

Stop kidding yourselves. Keeping Melo at least give us the possibility to attract real talent to NY. Letting our best player walk for nothing is beyond retarted. The blow it up people will make vague recommendations like, get better 2-way players!! Oh yeah, sounds easy. You guys will be the same people complaining about horrible seasons and lack of scoring after letting Melo walk. Say what you want but stars win in the NBA. Don't talk about building around Gallo and Mozgov, talk about getting Melo help after Amare, Tyson and Bargs contracts expire.

the problem is if you max Melo out, there is not a whole lot of money left to get a really good player as a FA. You're going to be left filling the roster with the kinds of dregs that we have today, but who can't play or contribute: Beno, MWP, Martin, Camby...

I think most of us in the 'blow it up camp' would be happy to keep Melo if he signed for $15-20M.

Silverfuel
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1/26/2014  3:32 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/26/2014  3:33 PM
franco12 wrote:
Silverfuel wrote:This is stupid. Why do some of you guys trust this Knicks management to rebuild correctly if they let Melo walk? This Knick management group sucks. They haven't made a single good move in over 10 years. Even Donnie Walsh screwed us by signing D'Antoni and Amare. We got lucky to get star at the level of Melo here. He is the only Knick player that can attract other stars to come to NY and play for the Knicks. No one can prove there is a way to get a player at the talent level of Melo to come to NY. So why are we talking about letting Melo walk? What players are you going to build your core around? Iman Shumpert and TH Jr? Thats your core? You trust Steve Mills to draft franchise players?

Stop kidding yourselves. Keeping Melo at least give us the possibility to attract real talent to NY. Letting our best player walk for nothing is beyond retarted. The blow it up people will make vague recommendations like, get better 2-way players!! Oh yeah, sounds easy. You guys will be the same people complaining about horrible seasons and lack of scoring after letting Melo walk. Say what you want but stars win in the NBA. Don't talk about building around Gallo and Mozgov, talk about getting Melo help after Amare, Tyson and Bargs contracts expire.

the problem is if you max Melo out, there is not a whole lot of money left to get a really good player as a FA. You're going to be left filling the roster with the kinds of dregs that we have today, but who can't play or contribute: Beno, MWP, Martin, Camby...

I think most of us in the 'blow it up camp' would be happy to keep Melo if he signed for $15-20M.


But what is the alternative? Let Melo walk and then do what with the money? What makes you think Knick management can do anything right? At least Melo could get some other good players to come here after the Knicks let Amare, Tyson and Bargs contract expire. What about Steve Mills makes you think he can get someone as good as Melo to come for less than the max? They couldn't even get anyone to join Amare until Melo forced a trade. Who is going to want to come here to run with Iman Shumpert and JR? Without star players you are basically talking about Orlando Magic.

I understand everyone is frustrated. There are times I turn the game off after the 1st quarter. But that doesn't mean you blow it up without a plan. Yeah, us fans can say draft a good PG or get high IQ basketball players. But its easier said than done. The problem right now is resigning Melo is the only good option.

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